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Smash Champion
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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
- Thread starter KirbyKaze
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KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
You shoot needles and grab a lot. You Bair and Fair a lot.
When you throw him, you launch him with an F-tilt or Uair and then shield-grab his Nair into more throw combo stuff.
WD OoS D-smash/Grab a lot if he touches your shield with a bunch of his moves.
Stand on a platform and throw aerial needles. If he comes up to fight, beat his move with your bigger move, probably Bair or Fair, or drop through so he's above you and then **** him when he tries to come down.
CC his F-tilts into grabs.
Dynamism?
Smash Champion
I think that's just the Fox messing up. It's really hard to do but I think it was raynex and EC canada that did the experiment and Fox can do that to her at any % if done perfectly. Maybe this was on Peach but I'm :\ on this memory LOL
KK, is that accurate memorage?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
U-throw Uair combos Sheik just not at like 0-18 or something if she doesn't DI and 0-30 if she DIs or something. I forget.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
So you have to uthrow utilt or uthrow bair, correct?
you press A faster
its good because it comes out quickly and *****.
its good because it comes out quickly and *****.
DJRome
Smash Hero
well, you're going to have to know which attacks are used. each attack has different shield stun and if you want to be fast, you have to react accordingly
soap
Smash Hero
learn the timing for Y to A
then just time the jump accordingly with shield stun
then just time the jump accordingly with shield stun
Alright, so I've been practicing Sheik lately because she's really fun.
I just want to make a list of things I've been trying/ can now do with her so KK/soap can be proud of me. LOL
10/10 times (both sides) runoff nairs on yoshis with living (I have to dash to the edge, cancel the dash, then do the runoff nair... it's not too much slower so it's fine)
isuckat/10 times bairs on yoshi's edge with regrab. I don't die usually, however sometimes I do a getup attack from the ledge.
I can do shnair oos and hit jiggs with strong part near every time. I can't ever do it with Kirby.. is it possible to do it vs Kirby?
I've been practicing doing really fast dash attacks that are near frame perfect... sometimes I fsmash like 1/20 times... so I suck at doing really fast dash attacks with 100% accuracy.
Now, to practice chaingrabbing since I'm not good enough at it. T_T
Anything else I can practice?
I just want to make a list of things I've been trying/ can now do with her so KK/soap can be proud of me. LOL
10/10 times (both sides) runoff nairs on yoshis with living (I have to dash to the edge, cancel the dash, then do the runoff nair... it's not too much slower so it's fine)
isuckat/10 times bairs on yoshi's edge with regrab. I don't die usually, however sometimes I do a getup attack from the ledge.
I can do shnair oos and hit jiggs with strong part near every time. I can't ever do it with Kirby.. is it possible to do it vs Kirby?
I've been practicing doing really fast dash attacks that are near frame perfect... sometimes I fsmash like 1/20 times... so I suck at doing really fast dash attacks with 100% accuracy.
Now, to practice chaingrabbing since I'm not good enough at it. T_T
Anything else I can practice?
Running off nair off of story and living?
Thats dam impressive in my book LOL
One of these days, I'll care about putting more effort into my sheik.
Thats dam impressive in my book LOL
One of these days, I'll care about putting more effort into my sheik.
Lawrencelot
Smash Lord
Yeah try to edgecancel upB (without wind) like we were talking about in this thread before. If you can do it 1/100 times at least we know it's possible lol
SonuvaBeach
Smash Lord
I'd assume you've already got down shino stalling, needle turnaround bair's on stage and off, and well. that is really all I'm working on.
Autocancel nair's and full jump autocancel fairs?
TheManaLord
Smash Hero
Where do I start if I want to main sheik?
xbombr
Smash Ace
Grabbing: Comboing from grab. Tech chasing. CG'ing. D-throw them a lot unless you're at the edge and know you can set up an easy gimp.
Knowing what you can tilt through and what tilt to use. How to combo from tilts in general. Probably the easiest part of learning her.
Spacing NAir and BAir and knowing when to do it. Utilizing Fair as well.
Utilizing needles to get grabs, camp, gain control, gimp, break dashdances, ect.
Gimping in general.
Learning to recover properly so you don't set yourself up to be forced back on stage and beasted.
Movement. Spacing yourself with WD especially.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
play blea gelo. Im sure you would be fine though
Thanks imma try and utilze this stuff. Ya sheilding the n air is really good i do that
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I saw you u-tilt him and get ***** a lot because the first hit would connect, then he'd nair either before the second hit or the second hit would miss and he'd punish during the lag.
U-tilt blows **** against Luigi don't do it.
U-tilt blows **** against Luigi don't do it.
h!tboxexplo!ter
Smash Ace
what do u guys mean by running off yoshis and doing a nair? the only thing i can think of makes me think its an inside joke
Its exactly what it sounds like.
You run off the stage and do a Nair as soon as you can.
You run off the stage and do a Nair as soon as you can.
**** you. I was the one that started the talk about it and I tried it for way too long and analyzed it wayyyy too much (looking at pixels on battlefield's left platform). I did do it 1/100 times though (it took me like an hour or two to get). I'm not exactly sure how the **** I did it though tbh. I'll record me practicing it and then I'll show it off if I ever decide to do it again/can get it.
Also, I can pretty much do anything technical with Sheik now... aside from the stupid upb cancel ****. Once I work on cg'ing/bair regrabbing the edge I'll be good.
Actually I wanna know what others think about run off nair.
I mean personally I'm using it more and more as I play.
Anyone else find it useful in their game? And I call dibs on credit if it is.
.... okay that last part I was kidding.
I mean personally I'm using it more and more as I play.
Anyone else find it useful in their game? And I call dibs on credit if it is.
.... okay that last part I was kidding.
Hmm thats interesting.
I use it vs like...
Fox
Falco
Marth
CF
Ganon
Link (DSF anyone?)
And probably a few others....
I use it vs like...
Fox
Falco
Marth
CF
Ganon
Link (DSF anyone?)
And probably a few others....
h!tboxexplo!ter
Smash Ace
hey kira at 5:15 was that cc you did on hugs' dsmash on purpose? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTkONl4IPTY
if so share =)
if so share =)
well i usually jump at the edge and fall into said situation, but nair is my primary falco edgeguard. also i like doing it do falcons to peg on some damage (i frequently get 4 or so)
h!tboxexplo!ter
Smash Ace
crapppp double post......
Tec0- I find vs Marth there's better things to do and it feels dangerous to me for some reason.
Also vs Falco I don't really use it because I just needle or strong/weak bair pending on the situation.
Against Falcon I find for edgeguarding fair is really really good. I don't know why, but I don't like using bair for trying to kill him. Probably because fair sends him at a really bad angle and once you do it once at like low-mid percent he usually dies.
Also vs Falco I don't really use it because I just needle or strong/weak bair pending on the situation.
Against Falcon I find for edgeguarding fair is really really good. I don't know why, but I don't like using bair for trying to kill him. Probably because fair sends him at a really bad angle and once you do it once at like low-mid percent he usually dies.
Well...
Theres a situation to use everything. If you don't thats fine just curious really.
I find it pretty awesome vs everyone. Vs Marth I often do drop off bair bair cuz it seems to work better. Though the nair works too *shrugs*
I would get into the rest.. but I'm lazy so unless someone is interested... I'll just leave it as I find it useful
Theres a situation to use everything. If you don't thats fine just curious really.
I find it pretty awesome vs everyone. Vs Marth I often do drop off bair bair cuz it seems to work better. Though the nair works too *shrugs*
I would get into the rest.. but I'm lazy so unless someone is interested... I'll just leave it as I find it useful
h!tboxexplo!ter
Smash Ace
i call nair my "lazy edgeguard". i think most of the time a fair or more likely a bair is the better option, but nair is out for so long it can do the trick if i dont feel like doing a better placed move. especially against roy, cause that **** is hilarious
Lawrencelot
Smash Lord
Sorry man I didn't know that. But we did conclude it's possible then? Maybe someone should try it with TAS to get more info about it; if a sheik can do this 1/100 times in normal play it would already help a lot, and imagine what sheik would look like if could upB cancel like Axe's pikachu... ok forget the last part, but still it could be worth it to analyze it more
Lawrencelot
Smash Lord
I looked into it... but only for 5 minutes (I'm not that patient). Does anyone know a TAS-er with melee on his comp maybe?Oh it'd definitely be worth it to look into it more... it's just I don't want to do that... so I tried to have someone else look into it... but then noone else did.
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
How do you get the double explosion right on the edge on recovery?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Land on the stage during the Up+B startup, before you poof in the air.
Dynamism?
Smash Champion
Technical isn't needed...you grab **** out of the air and have walls of hurtbox and everything combos into everything else and everything else combos into gimps and have auto gimps
Just play smart and it's gg.
The only tech skill you need is DI and WDOOS
maaaybe needle cancel and couple other things but you get the point
Just play smart and it's gg.
The only tech skill you need is DI and WDOOS
maaaybe needle cancel and couple other things but you get the point
Amsah how do you do that crazy DI-tech yo did vs zhu at 1:37
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-A_FltzJ08
And, can anyone tell me how I know if I'm doing right that boost grab thing plz. I mean, theres any indicator besides the extended grab range which I cant notice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-A_FltzJ08
And, can anyone tell me how I know if I'm doing right that boost grab thing plz. I mean, theres any indicator besides the extended grab range which I cant notice.
Don't even get me started on the tech skill you need to play Sheik LOL. Granted it's no where near Fox/Falco, but still, there is definitely some technical ability needed for her whether people realize it or not.Technical isn't needed...you grab **** out of the air and have walls of hurtbox and everything combos into everything else and everything else combos into gimps and have auto gimps
Just play smart and it's gg.
The only tech skill you need is DI and WDOOS
maaaybe needle cancel and couple other things but you get the point
Jiggs on the other hand, now there's a character you don't need tech skill for haha.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Sheik is very timing heavy.
h!tboxexplo!ter
Smash Ace
she also requires good reaction speed