Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[TresChikon]

Of course its useful. It becomes bad when you overuse it though.

rolling is incredible when you use it to dodge a move

it's much less good when you just use it to try to escape bad positioning

What they said.

 

[nicaboy]

lol i suck at the forum life.

Really though, sheik's have gone into hiding. I'm too hyped for all the sheik's to be full force at pound4 and to see them first hand.

Yeah KK and Kira are good too. KK hasn't has that many recent vids though I don't think. Kira's recent set where he almost beat zhu was good. Or did he? I don't recall.

He took a match. It was very nice to watch.

Shoulda watched the livestream of Pat's House tournament in SD. Kira had a couple of sets on the livestream i believe. There were actually quite a bit of sheiks there. And isnt Vanz going to revival of melee 2? Least thats what i heard. And sadly enough m2k has said hes maining Marth not sheik. so. I suppose your right.

Lol I use to play in socal and they have to have the most sheiks that I ever seen in one state. This is coming from someone who played competive speaking(as in I lived in these areas for a set amount of time) in 3 diffrent states Ga Ca and now Fl. Maybe we met b4? Anyway socal got kira sherigami neighborhood P Rickety(spelling) nasty nate and you I assume. Here in FL its just myself and hiroshi. SFL is just myself for the most part.

I thought I only played fox .

Actually my sheik just recently got 4 stocked by Magus's gnw on FD.

God I'm so good at this game

And Vanz is definitely goin to RoM 2 btw. Considering he is my teammate and all for the event

qft you were sandbagging guy

 

[Luma]

tremor if you are looking for a real good sheik watch PAL videos

 

[Cia]

tremor if you are looking for a real good sheik watch PAL videos

I hope this is a joke. Otherwise, it's just rude.

=|

 

[Plairnkk]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


rabble rabble rabble

 

[Luma]

I hope this is a joke. Otherwise, it's just rude.

=|

no US sheik, not even m2k does use a high level metagame as does for example amsah since he cant just grab and kill, he needs to know his char way better

 

[elvenarrow3000]

So wait, you're saying that US Sheiks are bad because they can grab and kill?

Hell, I'd want to learn from a player who can kill off of just one grab.

 

[Plairnkk]

yeah

i understand where euros are coming from when they hate on our best sheiks but like

you can't hate on someone truthfully for abusing something REALLY good with a character. if it was available in PAL they would play the same grabby way as us.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Amsah had better **** at Pound or Europe's going to become a laughing stock.

Well, not really. But people do talk.

 

[NES n00b]

yeah

i understand where euros are coming from when they hate on our best sheiks but like

you can't hate on someone truthfully for abusing something REALLY good with a character. if it was available in PAL they would play the same grabby way as us.

Agreed. If Falcon had a more abusive dash dance camping game, I would stick to that strategy more than others.

Wait a minute............

 

[Luma]

you guys just dont get it

because he can kill from a grab he doenst need to learn more **** about sheik
and thats why as soon as grabbing is no option anymore (for example against IC's) you guys are ****ed because your needlegame is bad or you cant use the fair as good as "we" do

so again, my point is because you guys can win with easy stuff like chains, strong upair etc you dont need to play as good as we pal sheiks need to get to the same skill level

 

[Öni]

Amsah had better **** at Pound or Europe's going to become a laughing stock.

Like we became with Armada?
Oh wait...
(we didn't tell you he's good, right?)

I have to agree with Luma + 50% (exaggerated) of Europe plays Sheik.
Oh and I like watching videos without chaingrabs way more...

 

[Lawrencelot]

yeah

i understand where euros are coming from when they hate on our best sheiks but like

you can't hate on someone truthfully for abusing something REALLY good with a character. if it was available in PAL they would play the same grabby way as us.

I think he's saying that, because grabs are so overpowered, you do not need to develop other aspects of Sheik's game as much in NTSC. Of course PAL sheiks would do the same thing if it was the same, but we are forced to do other things in PAL. Like, you can't kill Peach after grabbing, you need to jab or something.

And good sheiks haven't gone into 'hiding'. There are a lot of Euro vids out in the open. I especially like Over now, I think he improved a lot.

About Amsah vs M2K I'm not sure, M2K doesn't main sheik so I think Amsah has more chance (Marth vs Amsah's sheik is impossible for Marth anyway). But Amsah would **** every other sheik.

 

[Lawrencelot]

Oh ninja'd

10 PAL sheiks

 

[Drephen]

people should watch more of my videos........

then again i should prolly go to more tournaments :/

 

[Cia]

no US sheik, not even m2k does use a high level metagame as does for example amsah since he cant just grab and kill, he needs to know his char way better

Just because we know to abuse our grab doesn't mean we don't know Sheik. Take a look around the thread. We cover A LOT of Sheik's intricate details. but when a question like "what to do against Marth?" comes up, you WILL here things like "grab more" because it happens to be our best option.

We may be a bit more spoiled having a lot of the features PAL Sheik lacks, but to say we don't know Sheik as well as PAL players.. yeah, ok. I hope you can make it to Pound 4 ^_^

And I doubt anyone knows more about Sheik than M2K.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

So basically, PAL Sheiks are better because they use an inferior character and have to work harder, therefore you learn more from watching them play a fairly different character?

Non-sensical, much?

 

[Plairnkk]

yeah.


saying amsah will **** all other sheiks is stupid. he will do well, but trust me, nobody will EVER "****" me in a sheik ditto. NTSC doesn't allow for that.

 

[stelzig]

He just meant you'll learn more from watching PAL sheiks anyway since learning the whole grab game shouldn't take too long. That's not to say NTSC sheiks can't do play PAL well or at least learn to play PAL well, but i must agree i think you learn more from watching PAL sheiks.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I find fault in your argument. Playing Sheik without relying on her grab game is like playing ICs without using their grab. Sure, you can do it, sure, it might even look more impressive, but it's just a bad idea.

 

[stelzig]

So first you argue that the NTSC players do know other aspects of sheik and now you argue that there's no reason they should?

Let me rephrase it then... Once you got a decent sheik in NTSC watching PAL will probably be more useful... Doesn't mean you should forget what you already learned and stop relying alot on the grab, but just build on top of it. In which case PAL is more focused on other things.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I never said that they knew other aspects. I don't just don't see why you should know less useful things if grabs are as powerful as you say they are.

I'm not bashing PAL or anything, it's just... well, like Vanz said, incredibly rude to discount every NTSC Sheik.

 

[Fletch]

people should watch more of my videos........

Best Sheik ever.

 

[stelzig]

Well someone said that
Knowing more options even if they are "less useful" most of the time can hardly be a bad thing.

 

[Falcinho]

na that statement is ridiculous.

I learned alot from watching NTSC Sheiks

 

[Banks]

the pro sheiks all go into hiding and now we start to hear about "banks sheik combos"

oh sheik boards

where did we go wrong??

if we were to talk about Plank sheik combo's then we really would have gone wrong because everyone would only be discussing chain grabbing and edge stalling

So I watched some banks vs mogwai or something and it made me laugh.

at what, the triple dtilt? lol

edit - lol nvm it was the triple dtilt. it's tough to search your name then try to figure out what people are talking about...*puts on shades and fades back into the shadows*

 

[ChivalRuse]

Like we became with Armada?
Oh wait...
(we didn't tell you he's good, right?)

I stand corrected.

Armada is good.

 

[Banks]

Armada winning was a fluke because in european time he would be wide awake and everyone else was tired

pound 3

 

[Plairnkk]

banks i have the sexiest sheik combos alive. always have and always will. i cant wait til those recent sets vs hax go up ^^

 

[Banks]

you should make a combo video of both your melee and brawl gameplay, and interspersed in between really good sheik combos, show clips of you planking with meta knight

basically it's something for everyone

 

[Plairnkk]

hahahhaa

melee vs brawl:: planks combo vid

 

[DtJ Jungle]

It would be painful.

 

[SonuvaBeach]

I hope Chu and Amsah meet in bracket. There is no IC's of Chu's caliber in Europe. The outcome will speak a lot about sheik vs ICs.

Yes banks, the triple d-tilt combo was just awesome. haha.

I can't wait till plank vs hax goes up either.

and lol @ anyone beating m2k in sheik dittos.

 

[Stev]

I hope Chu and Amsah meet in bracket. There is no IC's of Chu's caliber in Europe. The outcome will speak a lot about sheik vs ICs.

If he never plays against good IC's, how would this tell us anything about the matchup?

 

[thumbswayup]

you should make a combo video of both your melee and brawl gameplay, and interspersed in between really good sheik combos, show clips of you planking with meta knight

basically it's something for everyone

Youtube doesn't allow videos of that length.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

sheik dittos with m2k is ********.

 

[SonuvaBeach]

If he never plays against good IC's, how would this tell us anything about the matchup?

I thought about that after I posted it but editing wasn't worth it. Uhhh.

My point should have been more along the lines that since Amsah, as stelzig seems so intent to point out, is the best at using sheik's needles and other aspects besides her grab that he should have the best chance of taking out Chu's climbers. Then I realized that Amsah has little IC's experience, so it may not be a good indicator of the matchup. It would be a great set though nonetheless because Amsah's sheik is **** good.

HAHA thumbswayup

 

[Nihonjin]

I find fault in your argument. Playing Sheik without relying on her grab game is like playing ICs without using their grab. Sure, you can do it, sure, it might even look more impressive, but it's just a bad idea.

Having more options is never a good thing, right?

I hope Chu and Amsah meet in bracket. There is no IC's of Chu's caliber in Europe. The outcome will speak a lot about sheik vs ICs.

I hope we don't..

and lol @ anyone beating m2k in sheik dittos.

No comment. :embarrass

na that statement is ridiculous.

I learned alot from watching NTSC Sheiks

Awesome Strawman.

Anyway...@Luma and other Europeans..STOP HYPING ME...
You're creating unrealistic expectations..lol

 

[Cia]

sheik dittos with m2k is ********.

They're actually the most fun Sheik dittos you will ever play.

Tope too.

As for best Sheik combos.. i'm gonna have to say Teczero. '07 - '08

 

[Luma]

i wasnt hyping you, or atleast i wasnt trying to make that an amsah vs m2k bull****, my whole point was and still is that PAL sheiks have a better metagame overall compared to NTSC sheiks because we have to play better to get the same results