knightpraetor
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It's easy to DI perfectly when there is no pressure. However, getting hit by a ken combo is not embarrassing. After you die off the side 6 times for not DIing in it starts to get more tempting. I could agree if you said it's dumb to eat 4 tipped fairs into dair
(on that note even that's not too dumb if it's PP or some top marth. I rarely manage to achieve tipper spacing and then take the run sh tipped fair instead, but I have never seen a falco fail to DI that in, ever. You're going to risk taking tipped fsmash on neutral DI?),
but are you really going to magically avoid ever getting tipped faired near the ledge.???
so basically you will somehow always be DIing out on fairs even though you were trying to approach? Saying you can react is fine but what if you thought you were going to catch the opponent but they hit you instead? We're human, not in some action replay world. You're going to make a mistake several times a match. I watch M2k's famous videos in slow-mode. he makes like 40 mistakes a match while 4 stocking his opponent. To act as if people can somehow play perfectly all the time..
but if you want to stand still and focus on DI while playing PP, then you can get that perfect DI. I'll continue to try to take stocks. btw, I tried standing still one game against PP to see if he would notice and to see how long it would take him to take all my stocks if I was DIing perfectly. I DId fine and then he just techchase/threw me around comboed me anyway and edgeguarded me.
also do you have no fear of nair at all? at low mid percents DIing out may send you off stage even earlier than normal. There are always trade-offs to your choice of DI.
as to slight windows, slight windows always exist. People who actually read DI rather than moving isntantly naturally create windows. All the top players do it. PP's falco always pressured really well even when a combo was "over," so he would get good followups with his opponent DIing poorly because they hoped to get out. The worst times vs falco are when you try to escape a non-guaranteed hit and then get caught anyways while DIing poorly. Your other option is to just always sit still and let them hit you a couple more times and maybe edgeguard you....
Many of what people think are true combos actually allow a few frames for movement. I don't usually set them up on purpose but i'm often looking at the DI and movement before attacking again which takes a little bit of time and sometimes let's my opponent start moving.
Anyway, i remember quite well watching Jman get ken comboed by m2k all over the place about a year ago when i sat down the whole tourney and watched them play friendlies...so I guess Jman can't DI either and we should all go tease him for being a noob
I didn't even watch Niko's falco, I just thought it was funny that you think that it's somehow embarrassing to get hit by a ken combo. I somehow doubt there is even one falco in NC that hasn't been ken comboed by PP. I can't even watch videos of marth for a day at pro level without seeing a ken combo. it's extremely difficult to DI perfectly while actually playing and under pressure. And if they mix in kill moves instead of comboing then you feel stupid when you die 30% earlier because you tried to DI out a nair/reverse up B.
Honestly I don't get ken combos much against mahone's falco, but even so, they are going to occur occasionally. And I definitely remember plenty of spots where his combo DI got him killed early. Neutral DI would have worked though. Neutral DI is godlike, but no one can let go of the stick; it's too godly of a tech skill. but neutral DI is also worse at actually getting out of combos, so if you use it 10% earlier than you should have, get ken comboed. also the windows on when neutral DI is good differ based on what moves they are using to combo you. so while neutral DI is godlike vs jiggs bair chains at high percent, you may just eat upair into bair anyway.
(on that note even that's not too dumb if it's PP or some top marth. I rarely manage to achieve tipper spacing and then take the run sh tipped fair instead, but I have never seen a falco fail to DI that in, ever. You're going to risk taking tipped fsmash on neutral DI?),
but are you really going to magically avoid ever getting tipped faired near the ledge.???
so basically you will somehow always be DIing out on fairs even though you were trying to approach? Saying you can react is fine but what if you thought you were going to catch the opponent but they hit you instead? We're human, not in some action replay world. You're going to make a mistake several times a match. I watch M2k's famous videos in slow-mode. he makes like 40 mistakes a match while 4 stocking his opponent. To act as if people can somehow play perfectly all the time..
but if you want to stand still and focus on DI while playing PP, then you can get that perfect DI. I'll continue to try to take stocks. btw, I tried standing still one game against PP to see if he would notice and to see how long it would take him to take all my stocks if I was DIing perfectly. I DId fine and then he just techchase/threw me around comboed me anyway and edgeguarded me.
also do you have no fear of nair at all? at low mid percents DIing out may send you off stage even earlier than normal. There are always trade-offs to your choice of DI.
as to slight windows, slight windows always exist. People who actually read DI rather than moving isntantly naturally create windows. All the top players do it. PP's falco always pressured really well even when a combo was "over," so he would get good followups with his opponent DIing poorly because they hoped to get out. The worst times vs falco are when you try to escape a non-guaranteed hit and then get caught anyways while DIing poorly. Your other option is to just always sit still and let them hit you a couple more times and maybe edgeguard you....
Many of what people think are true combos actually allow a few frames for movement. I don't usually set them up on purpose but i'm often looking at the DI and movement before attacking again which takes a little bit of time and sometimes let's my opponent start moving.
Anyway, i remember quite well watching Jman get ken comboed by m2k all over the place about a year ago when i sat down the whole tourney and watched them play friendlies...so I guess Jman can't DI either and we should all go tease him for being a noob
I didn't even watch Niko's falco, I just thought it was funny that you think that it's somehow embarrassing to get hit by a ken combo. I somehow doubt there is even one falco in NC that hasn't been ken comboed by PP. I can't even watch videos of marth for a day at pro level without seeing a ken combo. it's extremely difficult to DI perfectly while actually playing and under pressure. And if they mix in kill moves instead of comboing then you feel stupid when you die 30% earlier because you tried to DI out a nair/reverse up B.
Honestly I don't get ken combos much against mahone's falco, but even so, they are going to occur occasionally. And I definitely remember plenty of spots where his combo DI got him killed early. Neutral DI would have worked though. Neutral DI is godlike, but no one can let go of the stick; it's too godly of a tech skill. but neutral DI is also worse at actually getting out of combos, so if you use it 10% earlier than you should have, get ken comboed. also the windows on when neutral DI is good differ based on what moves they are using to combo you. so while neutral DI is godlike vs jiggs bair chains at high percent, you may just eat upair into bair anyway.
