PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[Dr Peepee]

Isai Drop lasers, edgehop double lasers, shine waveland onto platforms, shield pressure(delayed aerials, double shines, shine grabs, etc)

I probably forgot a thing or two but that should be enough for now lol.

 

[Mogwai]

my $0.02 is that when you half *** it for as long as Mango has, coming back is too hard because everyone has such high expectations for you, so the second you doubt yourself, you just half *** it again and blame your losses on not taking it seriously.

I hope he proves me wrong to an extent, but Falco beats Fox, so PP'll win anyway, .

 

[Druggedfox]

I wonder if people's opinions on the matchup will change at all after this showdown =P

 

[Wenbobular]

It's just like how Mario is now above Luigi on the tier list xD

 

[Rubyiris]

Fox beats Falco.

 

[Brookman]

Fox beats Falco.

YOU'RE DOiNG iT WRoNG ...........

too short

 

[Rubyiris]

I look forward to the day when you realize that Falco does lose to Fox.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Lol, Fox mains says Falco beats Fox, Falco mains say Fox beats Falco. So silly.

 

[Sage Osaka]

Lol, Fox mains says Falco beats Fox, Falco mains say Fox beats Falco. So silly.

lol, this

results say that falco beats fox

super theory bros melee says that fox beats falco.

 

[Rubyiris]

results say good foxes suck at the match up for some reason.

 

[Veetaak]

super mega theory bros says that no one will ever take dmg

Atleast I think so

 

[Beat!]

Lol, Fox mains says Falco beats Fox, Falco mains say Fox beats Falco. So silly.

Yeah, it's getting kinda ridiculous.

Anyway, Mango going tryhard again would be awesome.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

doesnt it take 4 shines to kill at 0%? ground shine, air shine (waveland on top plat), fullhop shine, dj shine. In my head, the 3rd shine puts them high up, but not in the blastzone


also, i want someone to actually back up this "results back falco > fox" argument. I definitely disagree with that, especially because the character match-up isn't really as important as the player matchup.

 

[Sinji]

I think Lovage is good with the fox vs falco matchup.

 

[JPOBS]

So what made mango motivated to try again? where did this sudden "mango's coming back" thing come from? apart from facebook, i mean whats the

results say good foxes suck at the match up for some reason.

1: "X beats Y"
2. "How so? Y players have consistently proven that Y wins the matchup"
1: "Yea but X wins in a completely abstract and nigh unprovable way, everyone just hasn't realized it yet for 10 years"
2: ""

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

From my own subjective experiences, fox has the best matchup against falco between him sheik and marth,

 

[Mogwai]

Lol, Fox mains says Falco beats Fox, Falco mains say Fox beats Falco. So silly.

I main Falco and I 100% believe he wins.

 

[strawhats]

Mango 11:31 pm
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
gonna **** u with fox
cause u think ur so confident

Mango 11:31 pm
and yeah
^_^

drpeepeef 11:31 pm
you arent even gonna go fox lol

Mango 11:31 pm
yes i am

drpeepeef 11:31 pm
you gonna camp then?

Mango 11:31 pm
yup

drpeepeef 11:31 pm
ahhh
good

Mango 11:31 pm
not approaching
ur dumb ***

drpeepeef 11:31 pm
then i can finally prove you wrong

Mango 11:32 pm
u wont beat my fox
on a good day

drpeepeef 11:32 pm
you better hope
youre havin a good day

Mango 11:32 pm
no 1 beats my fox
on a good day

drpeepeef 11:32 pm
i dont care what kind of day youre having
youre human

Mango 11:32 pm
no im not

drpeepeef 11:32 pm
hehehe

Mango 11:33 pm
such a ***n
g0d



Edit: I think he'll go Falco and then if I beat that he would go Puff. Odd Fox CP could happen though.

My comeptitve sprit has kind of taken a hit the last few weeks, but hearing those words from mango has brought me back to life in a sense. MaNg0 is back!!

i think you can take mango's falco in dittos. His puff and fox though, gotta put in extra work for those 2 when he's on his ****.

You got this PP

hopefully Lucky, Jeff (SS),Hugo, and Zhu start playing more now...haven't really heard much from WC in a while. Not to mention I see Azen and Chillin are making a comeback. Where you at KDJ?

 

[Strong Badam]

on the subject of fox vs. falco:
if the falco player is better, he wins.
if the fox player is better, he wins.
if they're of relatively equal skill level (assuming high level play), it can go either way.
debating whether it's 50-50 or 55-45 in either's favor is so pointless because at that point you have similar viewpoints on the match-up but a different interpretation of the point-based matchup system. the match-up is also heavily dependent on playstyle and Super Theory Bros. is a boring game.

 

[Divinokage]

Mango says he's not human, rofl, awesome. =) In that case, I'm not human either, I'm a warrior.

 

[Frame Perfect]

In that case, I'm not human either, I'm a warrior.

lmfao, we get it.

 

[Sinji]

on the subject of fox vs. falco:
if the falco player is better, he wins.
if the fox player is better, he wins.
if they're of relatively equal skill level (assuming high level play), it can go either way.
debating whether it's 50-50 or 55-45 in either's favor is so pointless because at that point you have similar viewpoints on the match-up but a different interpretation of the point-based matchup system. the match-up is also heavily dependent on playstyle and Super Theory Bros. is a boring game.

Which brings back the point that Lovage is great against Falco.

 

[SSBM_or_GTFO]

PP, your going to beat Mango. /fanboyism

Why can't everyone accept an even match up between Fox and Falco? That match up seems very stage dependant anyway, just by watching videos.

 

[linkoninja]

What do you guys think of boost grabbing with Falco? Do you guys do it often?

 

[Dr Peepee]

Never tried it because I didn't think I'd get much out of it when I messed around with it. It's probably a situational thing though.

 

[linkoninja]

How do people do that crazy Shine-D-Air outside the stage?
I'm imagining it's Shine- JC, Double Jump D-Air? Whenever I try it I always SD

 

[Veetaak]

How do people do that crazy Shine-D-Air outside the stage?
I'm imagining it's Shine- JC, Double Jump D-Air? Whenever I try it I always SD

Either you try to do it too low so your firebird can't reach the edge, or you are simply dairing to late or fast falling after the dair.

 

[Summonedfist]

everytime i do shine -> dair off stage the cpu always lands on the stage =(

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

do these inputs (assuming you are in proper spacing offstage for the shine to hit):

down b->up->downcstick->back/towardstage

if you perform it fast enough, your shine will connect and you will immediately jump and dair then move backward to the stage so you can land on the ground (or upb, i suppose, though usually people do it pretty close to the stage)

 

[SSBM_or_GTFO]

everytime i do shine -> dair off stage the cpu always lands on the stage =(

Because your too close to the stage. Shine -> Dair can be DIed easily.

 

[Summonedfist]

lol too bad not everyone does

 

[Sinji]

I use c-stick for dair after a shine.

 

[X1-12]

If you ever wanna disrespect someone

from real low% near the edge

Shine -> Wavedash out -> Tomahawk -> Jab reset -> F-smash -> suicide Dair

 

[Strong Badam]

Disrespect is for the weak. He who disrespects his opponent disrespects himself.

 

[linkoninja]

Why is it so hard to wave-shine? You would think it's just wavedashing after Shine
but is it that the Shine alters the wave-dashing timing? Or that is it? I've always wondered

 

[Lightsyde]

It feels a little different if the shine hits them or not. You're likely just messing the timing up though. Once you get the muscle memory for it wave shining is cake.

 

[linkoninja]

Ahh I see. Is Reverse Lasering an absolutely necessary technique? I feel there are better options a lot of the time
and the fact that you need to barely move the control stick leads to a lot of Forward-B suicides
and if you get hit your DI is just awful

 

[Lightsyde]

Ahh I see. Is Reverse Lasering an absolutely necessary technique? I feel there are better options a lot of the time
and the fact that you need to barely move the control stick leads to a lot of Forward-B suicides
and if you get hit your DI is just awful

I'm not sure what you mean by reverse lasering, but being 100% mobile while lasering is SUPER important. Ideally, you need to be able to be moving back and forth across the stage and able to turn around laser at any point.

And yes, Forward B suicides are just a part of playing spacies. If that stick doesn't get back to neutral before you press B you (probably) die, so it's important to be really good at that. Forward (who semi-invented Falco) was short for Forward B because he used to SD like that so much. haha

And yes, yes it is, so don't laser if you suspect they're going to hit you unless you know that laser is going to prevent them from doing so. Lasering is laggy (you're helpless with your gun out in the air if you miss) so it's important to be watching your opponent closely because your laser is often their opening.

 

[linkoninja]

I'm not sure what you mean by reverse lasering, but being 100% mobile while lasering is SUPER important. Ideally, you need to be able to be moving back and forth across the stage and able to turn around laser at any point.

And yes, Forward B suicides are just a part of playing spacies. If that stick doesn't get back to neutral before you press B you (probably) die, so it's important to be really good at that. Forward (who semi-invented Falco) was short for Forward B because he used to SD like that so much. haha

And yes, yes it is, so don't laser if you suspect they're going to hit you unless you know that laser is going to prevent them from doing so. Lasering is laggy (you're helpless with your gun out in the air if you miss) so it's important to be watching your opponent closely because your laser is often their opening.

yeah that's what I meant by reverse lasering when you turn around and laser
lol I probably should have been more clear
but yeah I need to work on my mobility
I'm still too slow
>.> and not technical enough with Falco
but he takes years of practice

 

[SSBM_or_GTFO]

yeah that's what I meant by reverse lasering when you turn around and laser
lol I probably should have been more clear
but yeah I need to work on my mobility
I'm still too slow
>.> and not technical enough with Falco
but he takes years of practice

Not the tech skill. You can get the required tech down in a month, tops. The rest is a mental game and that takes years of practice.