PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[tarheeljks]

weird. only thing i know of similar to that is ness' yoyo glitch, where he can drop the hitbox and grab/attack from large distances

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

K, so a few hours ago, my friend and I saw something extremely weird while playing.

DL64, I was Falco, he was Luigi. He stood on the top platform, used down-B, and fell off while doing it. I jumped off the left platform, interrupted his down-B with a laser... and all of a sudden, he was back on the top platform. He wasn't even near it when my laser hit him. It was as if my laser had instantly sent him back in time a few seconds. We tried to recreate it, but gave up after a few attempts.

So, does anyone know wtf happened?

reminds me of the glitch with ICs where you can teleport nana back onto a platform


edit- recently i was watching a couple friends play, one was falco the other falcon. falcon jumped offstage to do an edgeguard but got hit by a sideb but it sent him up and back onstage. I didn't notice it at first, but then someone pointed it out and my mind was blown.

 

[Bones0]

reminds me of the glitch with ICs where you can teleport nana back onto a platform


edit- recently i was watching a couple friends play, one was falco the other falcon. falcon jumped offstage to do an edgeguard but got hit by a sideb but it sent him up and back onstage. I didn't notice it at first, but then someone pointed it out and my mind was blown.

Sounds like the Falcon just meteor cancelled...

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

no he was hit up and into the stage and then had to tech. It looked exactly like as if he was hit by fox's. It was exactly the same, by brain just thought it was normal (cause i play fox), and then i realized it was falco not fox. Quite weird.

 

[linkoninja]

How do you guys do a Short Hopped Jump Cancel shine?
Right now I'm having trouble learning how to do it
if I try to use the Y button sometimes I press A on accident
and trying to press X just feels weird

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

what are you trying to do? multishine or sh out of your shine?

regardless, it comes with practice. Mistakes must be worked through, theres no simple answer besides "just do it" when you get to the more technical stuff.

 

[linkoninja]

what are you trying to do? multishine or sh out of your shine?

regardless, it comes with practice. Mistakes must be worked through, theres no simple answer besides "just do it" when you get to the more technical stuff.

Well right now I'm working on my shield pressure
so I'm trying to shine-short-hop and then do an aerial

I thought I'd ask other Falco's how they do it though.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Personally, i use Y, B and Cstick (A for nair)



woot 800000000th post!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dr Peepee]

JPOBS, and others that may have been waiting on a big Mango post or other big ones, it may be a while before I do any more potentially. Personal stuff is going on indefinitely so yeah I'm not particularly motivated to write long walls right now. I plan on still responding to everything in this thread, just not right now.

<3 you guys

 

[Brookman]

Good luck PP

 

[Rubyiris]

tourney in 9 hours. I'm mad hyped. <3.

 

[eschemat]

@PP: Name this thread I Need A Doctor.

 

[SSBM_or_GTFO]

@PP: Name this thread I Need A Doctor.

Why would he do that? He IS the doctor. ;D

 

[eschemat]

It's for the Falcos who are looking up to him

 

[Mokumo]

so maybe it should be You Need a Doctor

 

[Bones0]

Dr. Peepee's Discussion Thread: The Doctor Is In

Dr. Peepee's Discussion Thread: Prescribing the Pain

Dr. Peepee's Discussion Thread: Mastering Malpractice

Dr. Peepee's Discussion Thread: Take a deep breath in... you'll need it for this combo

Dr. Peepee's Discussion Thread: Taking People Off Life Support (Pulling the plug has never been so entertaining!)

Dr. Peepee's Discussion Thread: It Pays to Have Patients

/BORED AT WORK ZOMG

 

[choknater]

eschemat's Discussion Thread

 

[eschemat]

:D it can be Dr. Peepee's Discussion Thread: Euthanasia

Or if it's the psychiatrist doctor, it could be Dr. Peepee's Discussion Thread: TheRapist/Therapist

 

[unknown522]

@Kage, I'll bust out my fox to whoop you next time we play

@DruggedFox Nah, no joke. I've been trying to convert to maining falco for a long time, but I always lose confidence in him and use fox for important matches. I literally never use him anymore though. He bores me to tears. I did 10 hours of smash practice the other day and used him for maybe 10 or so matches at most. I may start banning PS if I fail to find confidence in my falco and instead end up using fox. The way I figure it is I'll get camped the same on FD, so I may as well ban PS and if I get CP'd to FD then I can CG them. Honestly, I HATE CG'ing space animals and I think it completely ruins the fox v fox or fox v falco matchup, but if it really comes down to it, I'll do what I need to if it means going farther in a tournament.

@Rubyiris i know falco has an advantage there. I was just getting frustrated and rushing at them and getting ***** for it.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO don't switch!!!

 

[SSBMLahti]

I Need A Doctor is a song by Dre, which is why he suggested it...

 

[Cyrain]

@ Unknown, I gotta find a way to make Fox fun again x_x

 

[unknown522]

that's fair. Play who you have the most fun with.

Only suggestion I can really make is to try and invent some combos. Maybe that'll help

 

[Walt]

girlslaughingatpeopletryingtohavefunbutnotplayingfalcon.jpg

 

[Veetaak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Pj-eB8sxY#t=00m05s

I actually recommend that everyone watch this. Your mind will be blown.

I lol'd xD

Weird and awesome, just like I want it to be.

I went to my first tourney today btw, made it to brackets just to get pwned by Calle W and Eagle ^^ I'm happy though

And srsly, Armada only lost 2 matches in the whole bracket vs CW so I'm starting to wonder if some top player from the states is secretly playing with him in Sweden lol.

 

[Dr Peepee]

I think it's the laser on top of everything else but you guys are convinced that Falco combos and combo sertups are worse than Fox combos so the discussion literally can't go further since that's a big thing...

At least you guys (kind of) recognize that lasers don't suck now though.

In terms of raw "what I can do with this hit" Falco might have better startups but I feel like Fox can make a lot of....momentum type of combo startup from stray bairs that don't actually "combo" and stuff like that.

That's a fair point though.

Lmao Jules

Spoiler

Verne

What if they powershield your powershield?

That's extremely unlikely. XD

You'd lose the argument.

Falco beating Fox is not about just you or the Falco players doing more to win in the match-up. The top Falco players have consistently beat the top Fox players for the last 6 years. Pretty much all of them. In the face of observation and ample amounts of evidence, the smash theory you dole out about the match-up may even be 100% correct and you would still be wrong. This is one of the many, many reasons that no one wins at Super Theory Bros.

edit: the ultimate irony here is that you're the only person that can't even prove me wrong, since we can't find a falco of your caliber to pit your fox against.

Well.....alright then. I'll carry on with my silly theory bros ideas anyway. =)

The points you made YS/FoD are almost completely backwards as I see it.
especially this sentence "On FoD YS and DL, Falco has to play more risky to get anything started versus Fox."

smaller stage = less room for fox to move = less risk for falco to initiate attack.

the height and width of the platforms on yoshis and fod make them perfect for falco to control at will with uptilts, bairs, upairs, fairs, and pretty much whatever the **** falco feels like. He doesn;t have to predict where fox is going, fox has no where to go. Prediction plays a much much bigger role on Dreamland, PS and to a lesser extent BF because of the size of the stage.

So yea, your reasoning for why stages are good in the matchup is completely backwards as far as i see it.

Eh on FoD and especially YS Fox can abuse his room outside of Falco's control area(mainly the ground obviously) to work that big Bair he has among other tools to put Falco on the defensive really quickly(which Falco never wants obviously). FoD can switch up how effective Falco's moves are due to varying platform height so that stage is weird for me lol. I'm good on BF so I'm not sure if it's me being good there or Falco having that move control over Fox that helps him out there. May be the way the platforms are set up.

Falco can't control Fox on DL very well due to the size of the stage and platforms, so I guess I see what you're saying about prediction being more important there.

he still plays with the westchester county players casually but doesn't really go to tournies (not sure if that will change).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Pj-eB8sxY#t=00m05s

I actually recommend that everyone watch this. Your mind will be blown.

Haven't seen that in years, pretty funny stuff haha.

K, so a few hours ago, my friend and I saw something extremely weird while playing.

DL64, I was Falco, he was Luigi. He stood on the top platform, used down-B, and fell off while doing it. I jumped off the left platform, interrupted his down-B with a laser... and all of a sudden, he was back on the top platform. He wasn't even near it when my laser hit him. It was as if my laser had instantly sent him back in time a few seconds. We tried to recreate it, but gave up after a few attempts.

So, does anyone know wtf happened?

I've done this with a CPU Ganon. He up-Bs and I think I lasered him when he was really high and he "teleported" back onto the ground. Mad odd.

reminds me of the glitch with ICs where you can teleport nana back onto a platform


edit- recently i was watching a couple friends play, one was falco the other falcon. falcon jumped offstage to do an edgeguard but got hit by a sideb but it sent him up and back onstage. I didn't notice it at first, but then someone pointed it out and my mind was blown.

So he went up like Fox's side B and he didn't just DI up and onto the stage and get pushed down into it suddenly? Weird....

@ Unknown, I gotta find a way to make Fox fun again x_x

Try a different playstyle that feels better for you? Getting creative in any way(movement, edgeguarding, combos, etc) that helps you enjoy Fox again would be great.

Sometimes you just need to take a break from a character in order to enjoy them more though.




LOL @ the names for this thread btw XD

 

[JPOBS]

Eh on FoD and especially YS Fox can abuse his room outside of Falco's control area(mainly the ground obviously) to work that big Bair he has among other tools to put Falco on the defensive really quickly(which Falco never wants obviously).

yea but he can do that on any map. i find on YS/FoD its less effective because fox has less to work with because of the nature of the stage which benefits falco overall imo.

FoD can switch up how effective Falco's moves are due to varying platform height so that stage is weird for me lol. I'm good on BF so I'm not sure if it's me being good there or Falco having that move control over Fox that helps him out there. May be the way the platforms are set up.

FoD is definitely weird and most players in general dislike the map and it really comes down to how comfortable you are on the stage. I don't recall seeing any sets of you playing vs a Fox on that stage tho so idk, have any in mind you could point me towards?

i've seen u play it vs marth/sheik/ditto and from what i see you do well on it despite expressing discomfort for it. [/quote]

Falco can't control Fox on DL very well due to the size of the stage and platforms, so I guess I see what you're saying about prediction being more important there.

ya DL is gay, i think its fox's best stage in the matchup after FD.

 

[Dr Peepee]

yea but he can do that on any map. i find on YS/FoD its less effective because fox has less to work with because of the nature of the stage which benefits falco overall imo.

FoD is definitely weird and most players in general dislike the map and it really comes down to how comfortable you are on the stage. I don't recall seeing any sets of you playing vs a Fox on that stage tho so idk, have any in mind you could point me towards?

i've seen u play it vs marth/sheik/ditto and from what i see you do well on it despite expressing discomfort for it.

ya DL is gay, i think its fox's best stage in the matchup after FD.[/QUOTE]

I say Fox has more room to work his Bair on those stages because Falco can't just retreat and laser safely without easily being cornered on those stages(especially with how far the platforms extend, particularly on YS once again) so Falco ends up having to play a weird waiting/guessing game and Fox can choose to cut Falco off with little stage whenever he wants to should he platform camp/approach. I mean if he doesn't do that much then maybe Falco could work his moves better but it's hard to say.

I think I played vs Yay there when he was Fox a loooong time ago but that's probably worthless now haha. I prefer YS personally due to the better combos I can get vs the weirdness of FoD so that's why you always see me strike there vs Foxes lol.

I mean I ended up trying to understand every stage so I'd do well on it but that doesn't mean I don't feel odd about it at times haha.

 

[Rubyiris]

Sup Falco boards.

Tourney yesterday. Got 5th. Lost to GG7 and Silly Kyle, but I managed to beat Axe in winners bracket. He beat me g1 in Falco dittos, I beat him g2 in Falco dittos, and I beat his Pikachu on Battlefield game 3. I went all Falco this tournament.

 

[Bones0]

Sup Falco boards.

Tourney yesterday. Got 5th. Lost to GG7 and Silly Kyle, but I managed to beat Axe in winners bracket. He beat me g1 in Falco dittos, I beat him g2 in Falco dittos, and I beat his Pikachu on Battlefield game 3. I went all Falco this tournament.

Congrats. Any vids?

 

[Rubyiris]

Congrats. Any vids?

Tai's uploading them. I have recorded sets vs:

KosukeKGA (retired marth player): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBN0v9Xg6C8
Axe
GG7
Tai
Nicknyte
Silly Kyle

 

[FoxLisk]

i think the platform shape/height/something makes YS good for fox. it's just like... any place that falco wants to stand, if fox is on a platform he can put a bair uncomfortably close to falco. it's not the overall size of the stage, just the way the platforms cover ground.

i love YS vs fox though, b/c at the same time he cant runaway easily so you can corner him. i just feel really comfortable on YS in general so it's hard to say if my opinion makes sense or not, but um. that's my useless two cents >.<

 

[Rubyiris]

foxlisk, never discredit yourself.

 

[SSBMLahti]

i think the platform shape/height/something makes YS good for fox. it's just like... any place that falco wants to stand, if fox is on a platform he can put a bair uncomfortably close to falco. it's not the overall size of the stage, just the way the platforms cover ground.

i love YS vs fox though, b/c at the same time he cant runaway easily so you can corner him. i just feel really comfortable on YS in general so it's hard to say if my opinion makes sense or not, but um. that's my useless two cents >.<

I like the combos I can pull off as Falco vs Fox, plus the ceiling lets me get those sexy shine/firebird kills off the top of the stage. Also, I enjoy Randal being there for me when I get shined offstage.

 

[Divinokage]

Ohh.. You brought Axe down, Ruby? Awesome!

 

[Rubyiris]

He won the tourney anyway but yeah I knocked him into losers, and with Falco no less.

 

[FoxLisk]

I like the combos I can pull off as Falco vs Fox, plus the ceiling lets me get those sexy shine/firebird kills off the top of the stage. Also, I enjoy Randal being there for me when I get shined offstage.

yeah the platforms definitely benefit falco during combos, but i think they work in fox's favor strategically otherwise.

 

[Deleted member]

I've been wondering about Falco vs Fox on stages actually.

What are people's opinions on that MU on different stages?

Personally, I like PS, BF, and YI vs Fox the most. Imo Falco can control space best on PS because Fox has no top plat to work around your lasers. I just like BF and YI because the plats make for fun combos.

I dislike FoD and DL64 vs Fox due to the platforms. I feel they (the plats) give Fox more options to approach and are less beneficial for Falco's lasering.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

So he went up like Fox's side B and he didn't just DI up and onto the stage and get pushed down into it suddenly? Weird....

yeah he went in a small upward arc towards the center of the stage (i assume he was DIing that direction) then landed. idk if he teched or not tbh xD

 

[Wenbobular]

Be cheaper vs Luigi and stop getting shieldgrabbed all the time Ruby xD
Congrats on 5th ... I too placed 5th but our locals are a little less impressive than yours <_< (and Azen was on the other side of losers and got knocked out by the other 5th haha)

 

[Rubyiris]

im the best player in the world who still gets shield grabbed like a noob. :3

Also being cheap is gay, i cant do that. especially not vs one of my best friends, and in-region. x_x;

I def. need to play a little better vs weegee.