Peach Weekly Match-Up Discussion - Forever Outdated :(

[Dark.Pch]

Peach dittos, like any other dittos, are like marmite - you either love them or you hate them

In it's simplest form, the best advice is to play patient and camp with Turnips until you can get in close

I will say this though - the amount of Toad use I see in some Peach dittos makes lol

You don't have to camp. I had Peach players camp me and I just go throw it and get at them. To me, players who camp in the dittos are the ones that don't know how to fight the othet player. Thats my opinion.

yeah, everytime i play dark.pch in peach dittos i get freakin toaded like 4 times a match lol.

When Peach players like to spamm turnips on you, toad is your best friend. Or if they are the aggressive type.

 

[Gea]

its 100 0 in Peach's favor.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

its 100 0 in Peach's favor.

This man is a genius

Hmm...camping was probably the wrong word. 'Refined spam' would probably be a more accurate definition

All the same, rushing in will get you killed

 

[Dark.Pch]

Here is a wierd formula with Peach dittos. But this is only good for people who are balanced with both a defensive and aggressive style:

Defensive style>Aggressive style

Aggressive style > Defensive style

wierd and looks like it makes no sense no? Well actally it does. I'll let you boys figure this one out while I head to this smashfest. I'll get videos of myself with this new style and seehow it goes. Have not tried it offline yet, can't wait!

later boys.

 

[Airgemini]

Okay.

I'll start with standard moves. Her Jab is pretty meh in this match up. If you try to Jab > Grab you can just double Jab between it. Most of the time when I get Jabed I just Jab back, it always works. Her aerials can be a little annoying because they're all so annoying with good priority. Her Dair isnt really a threat in this match up, Nair or Bair OoS works very nicely. Also Utilt OoS can work. Her Fair is pretty meh. If she's constantly autocanceling Fairs rapidly just camp with Turnips and take it from there. Nothing much to say about the other aerials... Her tilts are pretty good. Ftilt and Utilt have very nice range. Her specials are meh also. Turnips are pretty easy to avoid due to their slowness, and the arc they are thrown at. For stitchfaces, your best bet is to sheild since it immediately makes it go away. Although it does make you have a bit more sheild stun than the others. Bombs are dangerous, they can takea stock from you just like that. If she happens to pull one just try your best to be evasive. If she throws it down from below you can blow it up and not be damaged with Utilt., I think sheilding would be good her too. Beamswords were never really a threat to me. Imo they're the worst item, the can EASILY backfire. If you pull one ust keep glide tossing it. I like to glide toss down since it gets a little bounce to it and makes it harder to catch. Mr.Saturns arent much of a problem, just dont sheild. They can break your sheild sometimes. I like pulling these, they get in the way a lot, start combos, and have nice hitstun. Watch out for Toad when playing her aggressively. When she's recovering, its nice to float out and gimp her since she doesnt have a spike. What I love to do if she's recovering completely horizontally in my range I like to Peach Bomber. It has terrific knockback and has a nice little semi spike to it sometimes. Peach's ledge options are pretty poor. When she's on the ledge I like to keep autocanceling Fairs.

All in all its even obviously. The player with more skill mostly wins. That is of course if they dont pull a Bomb : p

 

[gantrain05]

Dair still works in this ditto, just not as well as it does on alot of other chars, it can still combo into a Nair or Uair, but its just harder to approach with, since they already know what your doing lol.

 

[exidid]

Sometimes we both get stuck throwing turnips at each other because neither of us wants to approach xD

It's probably one of the best dittos (after Ganondorf and Captain Falcon dittos). xD

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

It's probably one of the best dittos (after Ganondorf and Captain Falcon dittos).

O.o elaborate vile fiend

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I just space better than my opponent and punish when they miss. That's how I treat this matchup..lol.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

so for stage picking, would it be better to go to a stage your more comfortable with, or cp both of you and hope the other peach does worse on that stage than you do?

 

[ExCeL 52]

Peach dittos rely not more on who is the better player but who can predict more accurately
I hate em.

 

[Bowser_Gangsta]

Dair is my favorite attack in this match-up as always. Turnip throwing works like normal whenever I fight. However, Toad is really useful in this battle. I find that a lot of Peach forget about a good counter. So few characters have it, but we barely use it. Thats my peach experience, but if If I were fighting Rickerdy....

110-0

 

[rockcrab100]

I agree with bowser_gangsta, toad counter would be helpful. Especially when both peachs are floating ground level one will go for a fair or dair. Chain grabbing is useless since Peach is so light. Dairing can be blocked by up tilt if peach floats too high. Turnip throwing would remain the same I guess. Pulling dair into fair would be hard since it can be dodged by another peach because it's the other peach obviously knows about that combo. 50-50 duh.
Just my opinion.^

 

[deepseadiva]

so for stage picking, would it be better to go to a stage your more comfortable with, or cp both of you and hope the other peach does worse on that stage than you do?

That's the same thing... but yeah. I just choose the weirdest stage I know.

Distant Planet FTW!

So, I've discovered yet another tactic against floaty Peaches! SH Peach Bomber!

Works everytime.

 

[rockcrab100]

^^^Mabye after peach dittos with him I'll be able to have better understanding of dittos.

 

[Airgemini]

Never Toad her floating Dairs, it does nothing.

 

[Villi]

It does stuff if you're in the air when they dair you. Who needs fair priority when you can just challenge with Toad. xD Don't Toad DDDs bair this way. All that sexiness in one fatty kick. >_>

 

[Dark.Pch]

I just space better than my opponent and punish when they miss. That's how I treat this matchup..lol.

One of the ways I go about it too

so for stage picking, would it be better to go to a stage your more comfortable with, or cp both of you and hope the other peach does worse on that stage than you do?

I recommend a stage you feel you can take full control of depending on how u play. Cause you have no clue what stages your opponent can handle. So why right guess the stage when you can take it to your home turf (w/e stage that is)

 

[EdreesesPieces]

That's the same thing... but yeah. I just choose the weirdest stage I know.

Distant Planet FTW!

So, I've discovered yet another tactic against floaty Peaches! SH Peach Bomber!

Works everytime.

I don't suggest doing anything laggy like Up B (from the ground) or Peach bomber to any frequency in this matchup. If they predict you , you'll get a charged upsmash, and if anyone gets an early KO in this ditto they already won the match. Use it sometimes (Short hop to peach bomber) as its very good, but I wouldn't abuse it or they can just fake you out and land and charge upsmash =)

My favorite stages for Peach dittos are Brinstar, Rainbow Cruise, Luigi's Mansion and Castle Siege. Simply because I play on these stages a lot in friendlies with my friends. I always ban FD for the matchup because most everyone is comfortable there. I like Rainbow because I know how to do things like make it look like I suicided but I'm still alive, I know the blast zones at each area. I like Luigi's because I'm really good at teching. Finding stages you are good at are such crucial in winning dittos :D

 

[Airgemini]

Yeah Edreese is right about by if you lose one stock you pretty much lose the match. I love it when (whoever) my opponent is loses a stock because you can land them early Dair combos in and get them up to like maybe 60% before you die. I think Peach benefits most when her opponent loses a stock more than the other characters.

 

[Canvasofgrey]

It applies more to floaty characters than Heavy Characters since Heavy characters have the stamina and weight to deal damage before the final blow, so they aren't as far behind as floaty characters like Peach or Jiggly

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Opinions people. Saving your Fair and not using it to rack up damage so it kills earlier is a good idea - Yes or No?

 

[gantrain05]

Opinions people. Saving your Fair and not using it to rack up damage so it kills earlier is a good idea - Yes or No?

i usually use Dair > Nair alot, i don't like to throw out Fairs unless the opponent is 80% or more, its hard to land peach's other K.O. moves on another peach lol.

 

[Airgemini]

I like using Fair at early percents. It's a GREAT spacing tool and leads to lots of things. Also all you have to do to negate the decrease in killing power is just use other moves to refresh it. Besides I think Peach's main KO strength is off stage gimps. Just use it at early percents and then try to refresh it with nine other moves and you shouldn't have a problem.

 

[Canvasofgrey]

Regardless who I play against, I tend to always Fair a lot. Especially since I love insta-floating Fair cancel into Ftilt, catch turnips, and overall, it is used in my entire game play. If you play the way I do, which is not really a good one XD, then it's essential that you use it all the time.

For Peach though, I think saving the Fair is nice, but not necessary. Peach has other moves that kill herself pretty easily like Fsmash and Usmash.

 

[Dark.Pch]

If they predict you , you'll get a charged upsmash, and if anyone gets an early KO in this ditto they already won the match.

Matter of opinion but I don't agree with that. There were times when in dittos where I was losing cause I moved into attacks or combos and my opponent has an early lead. And I just caught up and won. I change how I play when losing. I can switch from defensive to aggressive or the other way around and this helps make up for my early mistakes and get the win.

 

[Snakeee]

I think this is her toughest match up

 

[Zen Basis]

I think this is her toughest match up

I agree with this. Personally I think that character counterpicking would be a viable option... Then again, that's totally unreasonable, considering how attached some Peach mains are to her Majesty.

 

[Bitter Romantic]

it isn't Peach if it isn't Peach

 

[White-Peach]

Free hit if you force her to recover low (with turnips) where she wont land on the ledge (where you'd get a free hit otherwise), but will knock you off with her parasol if you wait. As she's coming up, do that quick drop into a ledgegrab so she doesnt auto-sweetspot the ledge, drop down and double jump UAir her while she pops open her parasol.

I wrote more about this matchup somewhere else, i'll have to find it and link it later~

I love PeachvPeach :D

 

[Dark.Pch]

I'll right up my book report on this match up on thursday, got alot on the mind and things to deal with. don't have the patients to write all it up atm. though I will still answer questions or give advice in general.

 

[Airgemini]

Whenever a Peach recovers low and uses Parasol I sheild so that she wont sweetspot and I can get a free grab in.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Matter of opinion but I don't agree with that. There were times when in dittos where I was losing cause I moved into attacks or combos and my opponent has an early lead. And I just caught up and won. I change how I play when losing. I can switch from defensive to aggressive or the other way around and this helps make up for my early mistakes and get the win.

Well, it's very hard to do this. It's definitely possible, but against other really really good Peaches, I think it's hard to make a comeback because you have to consistently out guess and out play the opponent for a high amount of percentage. This is harder to obtain when you have to rack someone up to 150% to get a decent kill. By early kill I meant like 75% when a sweetspotted charged upsmash will kill her. Its certaintly not impossible but it gives you a huge, monstrous edge getting an early kill in this matchup so I make that my goal personally. I try to take an early lead or kill, and once I'm in the lead, I know how to play in such a way that gaurantees we trade hits to consistently keep the lead the rest of the match.

Free hit if you force her to recover low (with turnips) where she wont land on the ledge (where you'd get a free hit otherwise), but will knock you off with her parasol if you wait. As she's coming up, do that quick drop into a ledgegrab so she doesnt auto-sweetspot the ledge, drop down and double jump UAir her while she pops open her parasol.

I wrote more about this matchup somewhere else, i'll have to find it and link it later~

I love PeachvPeach :D

THIS. Works sooo well.

 

[DrakeRowan]

I remember when I tried to recover from low with parasol and a peach player (my foe) used Dsmash and staged gimped me. Apparently peach's Dsmash has more priority then her parasol?

 

[Canvasofgrey]

I remember when I tried to recover from low with parasol and a peach player (my foe) used Dsmash and staged gimped me. Apparently peach's Dsmash has more priority then her parasol?

I think it pends on the point of your ascend, because I know Peach is extremely vulnerable from the second to last hit all the way to the last hit, so I think you just got stage gimped there. Missing that ledge sweet really sucks in a match.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Whenever a Peach recovers low and uses Parasol I sheild so that she wont sweetspot and I can get a free grab in.

If you are shielding, Peach can still sweetspot the edge.

Well, it's very hard to do this. It's definitely possible, but against other really really good Peaches, I think it's hard to make a comeback because you have to consistently out guess and out play the opponent for a high amount of percentage. This is harder to obtain when you have to rack someone up to 150% to get a decent kill. By early kill I meant like 75% when a sweetspotted charged upsmash will kill her. Its certaintly not impossible but it gives you a huge, monstrous edge getting an early kill in this matchup so I make that my goal personally. I try to take an early lead or kill, and once I'm in the lead, I know how to play in such a way that gaurantees we trade hits to consistently keep the lead the rest of the match.

Yea It is hard but I have been able to do it alot. or if not win, ake it really close that I could have won. This is just me but in Peach dittos when I am losing, I have no fear at all. Cause I usually switch it up when losing and then I tie up the score again or take the lead. My Peach is balance in both aggressive and defensive. But I am the defensive type more. I can't really play aggressive like that. unless Its a character I have no choice.

I remember when I tried to recover from low with parasol and a peach player (my foe) used Dsmash and staged gimped me. Apparently peach's Dsmash has more priority then her parasol?

No, Its all about timing, cause I hit people out of thier Dsmashes with my Up-B

 

[Airgemini]

If you are shielding, Peach can still sweetspot the edge.

Woops I didnt mean when sweetspottin, I meant when she's just trying to recover low.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Woops I didnt mean when sweetspottin, I meant when she's just trying to recover low.

Ok, this is not making sense to me.

 

[Airgemini]

Well im trying to say that when she uses her Parasol below the stage, when I sheild it
lt'll go straight past the ledge and hit my sheild, allowing me to sheild grab.

I dont really know how to explain it.

 

[Kataefi]

Are you talking about if she doesn't sweetspot the ledge, you can just shield her umbrella and grab her then? Or does shielding at the ledge before she uses her up b automatically make her not sweetspot?

Hmmm....