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Official Metaknight Discussion

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etecoon

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Guess what the coolest part about this post is? It has WOLF on the list. Wanna know why that is cool? Because i have been told by a few people that wolf actually does fairly well against diddy (heard others say its his worst MU but i wont go there) and with MK gone there will be alot more wolfs. I mean tbh we dont even know how wolf fairs against alot of the other higher tiers cause I mean how many good wolfs are there? (i think i can count em on my hand) Why arent there any wolfs when wolf fairs pretty well with marth and does ok against diddy? oh thats right MK.
wolf is terrible against snake IMO, can't let you do that starfox ;\

Wario and Dedede? Ok. Everyone else? Nope.

I also think i'm the only Snake player that enjoys the Marth matchup.
I don't think anyone else there beats snake strongly or anything but they're all pretty even, at least as much so as half the characters you listed for marth.
 

Judo777

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I dont think wolf gets beat that bad snake. Didnt JJ do ok against ally a while back? It may not be great but that doesnt mean wolf would be that bad considering the fact that he does ok against alot of other higher tiers.
 
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And so what? MKs options still **** those characters for the most part, you just have to learn how to play the matchup. I don't even have to list all the top players who picked up MK and within months were beating good players who used to be considered good vs MK. Learning MK is a joke for most top players.
This is what I was saying, although I suppose I overestimated the time MK takes to learn said matchups at high levels. :laugh:
 

Turbo Ether

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I dont think wolf gets beat that bad snake. Didnt JJ do ok against ally a while back? It may not be great but that doesnt mean wolf would be that bad considering the fact that he does ok against alot of other higher tiers.
It's not that bad for Wolf. He has the range, weight, mobility and relatively safe options + projectile to keep up with Snake.

Wolf can win against Dedede, it's just much less work to fight him with a different character. I don't think Wolf players take full advantage of his runaway game.
 

Judo777

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lol at 65 35 being really bad lol i mean its fairly bad but i fight that battle everytime i fight an MK or lucario at a tourney
 

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Dont post matchup ratios ever that **** is never accurate and most of the people who make them are ********.

The matchup is bad but never try and use matchup ratios as evidence.
 

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Oh someone mentioned Wario

Yeah don't use that character against MK unless you like getting frame trapped simply from trying to jump.
 

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i'm wondering....is the SBR/BBR even listening about this, or are they just sitting there...laughing....ignoring the MK debate altogether.....
 
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ZSS loses to Snake on some stages and wins on others. I think the match-up is pretty even, and is probably a slight loss for ZSS on average, but it isn't a "bad match-up" and Snake players shouldn't go into the match believing they have a significantly large advantage; they don't. The better player is probably going to win. I feel similarly about MK, although I can see why some people think it's dead even; on paper, it is a convincing argument. At the very least, Tornado sucks vs. ZSS and MK can't air-camp or plank her. She also wins in the air as has been said numerous (too many) times.

I think what pushes the match-up to Snake's favor is the fact that ZSS missing a grab means Snake gets a free fsmash if ZSS' positioning is bad, lol.
 

theunabletable

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Yeah he DI'd a Dsmash STRAIGHT DOWN. It was funny, yet depressing, all at the same time...

And he was doing pretty well, too. Had like a 40% lead or something like that.
 

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i'm wondering....is the SBR/BBR even listening about this, or are they just sitting there...laughing....ignoring the MK debate altogether.....
Yes, we're all hanging out in the BBR, laughing evilly with upper-class British accents, while sipping brandy and talking about how awesome it is to oppress the little people and time everyone out.


[/sarcasm] for anyone who thinks the entire BBR is made of a super-evil combination of British aristocracy, Inui, DMG, and mustache twirling dawn of movies villains.





Yeah, it's about as controversial with the BBR as here.
 

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Yes, we're all hanging out in the BBR, laughing evilly with upper-class British accents, while sipping brandy and talking about how awesome it is to oppress the little people and time everyone out.


[/sarcasm] for anyone who thinks the entire BBR is made of a super-evil combination of British aristocracy, Inui, DMG, and mustache twirling dawn of movies villains.





Yeah, it's about as controversial with the BBR as here.
Leak!!!


Seriously though, BBR threads are as ridiculous as these.
 

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Everyone needs to realize MK isnt gettttting bannnnnned. he would have by now, the games been out 2 years, hes been broken almost that entire time, people have complained about him the entire time hes going nowhere. I hate him as much as everyone else but I gave up this battle a long time ago. I still main wario but i can use MK decently which is what everyone else should do just to have him in your back pocket.
 

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Yeah, I should have said some policies.


Either way this is offtopic.


MK da bess.

So larry switched to MK vs DSF?
So did ally vs holy when he lost as snake.

yeah because they dont wanna lose. they are playing for money not fun. its an understandable decision. i mean it sucks that everyone is willing to switch their main because of the over powered purple cotton ball is better. but its the game we all chose to play...
 

Blacknight99923

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about larry......

you should note his oppenent plays the most optimal (aka GAY) MK on the west coast


I don't know the specifics but if larry is counterpicked to a heavy MK stage it wouldn't suprise me he picks MK because he would have a very little shot at winning it
 

Judo777

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LOL at the fact that every top level plays MK at least to some extent. I guess playing MK is now required to win tournaments.
 
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