Official Metaknight Discussion

[AllyKnight]

the Anti Ban been saying, OH larry can beat the WC mks and much more, all ive seen lately is him losing to tyrant, or any Meta *** around the world. but of course since Larry doesnt win anymore Anti ban new argument is: Haha Ally and ADHD STILL CAN. Biotches MK is doomed. Time to spice it up.

 

[Atomsk_92]

the Anti Ban been saying, OH larry can beat the WC mks and much more, all ive seen lately is him losing to tyrant, or any Meta *** around the world. but of course since Larry doesnt win anymore Anti ban new argument is: Haha Ally and ADHD STILL CAN. Biotches MK is doomed. Time to spice it up.

MK Da Bess

 

[Ripple]

the Anti Ban been saying, OH larry can beat the WC mks and much more, all ive seen lately is him losing to tyrant, or any Meta *** around the world. but of course since Larry doesnt win anymore Anti ban new argument is: Haha Ally and ADHD STILL CAN. Biotches MK is doomed. Time to spice it up.

ally, you should lose to MK's on purpose now (but secretly). with ADHD using MK now, anti ban will have no one to turn too

 

[etecoon]

with ADHD using MK now

pro ban will believe anything as long as it conceivably is favorable to their agenda lmao

DID YOU KNOW THAT USING META KNIGHT CAUSES BRAIN CANCER!>?

 

[pure_awesome]

the only way to do it would be have it only be BBR, people with a certain join date and post count requirement, and people like ADHD who are not in the BBR but are high class players

I see no problem with this.

 

[clowsui]

ally, you should lose to MK's on purpose now (but secretly). with ADHD using MK now, anti ban will have no one to turn too

adhd trolled u so hard lol, he didn't switch to MK

also

ppl are starting to feel that we need to ban RC and brinstar

i've even heard delfino

what's next...frigate? lylat? man oh man i wonder how many stages we can ban before we think about what we're doing...

 

[Ripple]

it was a joke post.....srsly gais...

 

[John12346]

I see no problem with this.

Seconded

10char

 

[Juushichi]

adhd trolled u so hard lol, he didn't switch to MK

also

ppl are starting to feel that we need to ban RC and brinstar

i've even heard delfino

what's next...frigate? lylat? man oh man i wonder how many stages we can ban before we think about what we're doing...

I am okay with banning RC.

Otherwise, that's kind of dumb. Also, Metaknight da bess.

 

[WindMajor]

I'm not okay with banning RC, simply because Toon Link does fairly well on it, and Snake, Diddy, and IC's don't do that well. It makes Toon Link that much better.

 

[Ripple]

I'm not okay with banning RC, simply because Toon Link does fairly well on it, and Snake, Diddy, and IC's don't do that well. It makes Toon Link that much better.

but it's too good for MK. so we should ban the stage.

same for norfair, green greens, and half the stages on the MLG rule set.

so we should ban all of these stages, rather than MK right?

 

[Judo777]

I think its funny just how many rules are being changed for MK lol. Now they might get rid of a few more stages for him. I wonder if eventually they will ban scrooging also because ledge grab limits cant really stop that crap. Maybe we should also ban the ability to do more than 3 aerials before u touch the stage again because of how easily MK can juggle and gimp people with his aerials.

 

[etecoon]

RC never should have been legal to begin with, and not just because of MK -_- just me I suppose, I find the idea that you should get a near auto win because you just lost pretty ********, that's mario kart mentality or some **** lol

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

RC is banned in EU already.

 

[Ripple]

RC is banned in EU already.

EU also does 4/7 sets for finals. should be do that too?

we don't do what other nations do. if we did melee would have been vastly different.

I have yet to see EU rule set but I'm assuming it is different in some way than ours

 

[AllyKnight]

Fiction he be mad
Fiction posted to the public at 1:49 PM on Sunday May 9, 2010
Eh. I think I'll go wario in doubles and MK in singles from now on

Next one in the list.

 

[Goldenadept]

I dont understand how RC hasnt been banned either, it tends to favor more mobile characters with better jumps than the slower characters in the game, sure most all of the characters can get around the stage just fine but i dont like the idea of being ko'd by the stage instead of my opponent, halberd is kind of the same way but the claw is easy to see coming (although sometimes it gets the most kills in a match)

 

[fkacyan]

I dont understand how RC hasnt been banned either, it tends to favor more mobile characters with better jumps than the slower characters in the game, sure most all of the characters can get around the stage just fine but i dont like the idea of being ko'd by the stage instead of my opponent, halberd is kind of the same way but the claw is easy to see coming (although sometimes it gets the most kills in a match)

As much as I hate RC as a TO/balancer, you're never fighting the stage. Everything RC does is 100% predictable, and thus it comes down to knowledge of the stage.

You only fight stages with random occurrences that also greatly affect sizable portions of the screen (Pictochat, Norfair) that give little to no warning (Halberd has random stuff but you have ~5-10 seconds of warning for everything that can happen).

I'm one of the most stalwart defenders of an RNG-less metagame, but to hear somebody say RC is bannable because you fight the stage makes me mad. RC is only bannable because of its disgusting overcentralization for MK.

 

[Goldenadept]

As much as I hate RC as a TO/balancer, you're never fighting the stage. Everything RC does is 100% predictable, and thus it comes down to knowledge of the stage.

You only fight stages with random occurrences that also greatly affect sizable portions of the screen (Pictochat, Norfair) that give little to no warning (Halberd has random stuff but you have ~5-10 seconds of warning for everything that can happen).

I'm one of the most stalwart defenders of an RNG-less metagame, but to hear somebody say RC is bannable because you fight the stage makes me mad. RC is only bannable because of its disgusting overcentralization for MK.

getting mad over a game is both stupid and a waste of energy :3
but i understand your points and agree with the for the most part. RC is just garbage through and through

 

[etecoon]

I dont understand how RC hasnt been banned either, it tends to favor more mobile characters with better jumps than the slower characters in the game, sure most all of the characters can get around the stage just fine but i dont like the idea of being ko'd by the stage instead of my opponent, halberd is kind of the same way but the claw is easy to see coming (although sometimes it gets the most kills in a match)

well, it's as I said. we love our counterpick system that gives someone a ******** advantage for doing badly in the previous game, this is central to why we want MK banned, he doesn't have a bad stage where you can do this so the only real way to take a game off of him is to be the better player

 

[GreenFox]

Eventually every pro player will switch to MK then he'll get banned.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

EU also does 4/7 sets for finals. should be do that too?

we don't do what other nations do. if we did melee would have been vastly different.

I have yet to see EU rule set but I'm assuming it is different in some way than ours

Eh yeah, because melee is brawl. Good point.

 

[Ripple]

Eventually every pro player will switch to MK then he'll get banned.

guess we better ban pro-players because MK is overcetralizing them. and not the other way around

Eh yeah, because melee is brawl. Good point.

no, but rules are rules. different nations have different rules.

EU melee is different from USA melee

EU brawl is different than USA brawl

 

[Goldenadept]

Eventually every pro player will switch to MK then he'll get banned.

thats actually the day brawl will officially be dead and nintendo wont want to make a new smash bros cause all the "competitive" players will take it too far and sap the fun out of it XD

 

[etecoon]

thats actually the day brawl will officially be dead and nintendo wont want to make a new smash bros cause all the "competitive" players will take it too far and sap the fun out of it XD

I'm already working on this, go into with anyone modes and plank moar

brawl is too gay at a competitive level, I want to ruin it for the casuals too >_>

 

[Goldenadept]

sounds like a plan. at this point the game couldnt get any gayer at the highest levels

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

EU melee is different from USA melee

EU brawl is different than USA brawl

Big difference here - melee has actual GAME differences instead of only METAGAME differences.

 

[Damage Points]

Wow never would have guessed fiction would sell out. Lol

 

[Kaffei]

Ban Brinstar and RC please

 

[Ripple]

Big difference here - melee has actual GAME differences instead of only METAGAME differences.

ok, japan. same game. different rules

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

That's not even a legit comparision, EU is actually involved in the metagame for both games as we've travelled to the US, beside that we're also on the largest community board, Japan isn't, thus they can't even be considered.

 

[fkacyan]

ok, japan. same game. different rules

Japan doesn't play for money.

If you're going to use countries as a dividing line, you're legitimizing people like me disparaging awful stagelists based on their region of play within the US.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

guess we better ban pro-players because MK is overcetralizing them. and not the other way around

Can't believe I missed this, hilarious.

 

[adumbrodeus]

So we agree that as long as people have differing point of views and beliefs that their can be no resolution UNLESS enough people share the same point of view.

What it comes down to is a popularity decision. It doesn't even have to be "right"; just heavily agreed upon.

Here's the thing, it is possible to get a large majority, PR being one strong way, and a process-based approach being another (ultimately because it feeds into PR).

Double Team is broken no matter who uses it, though, and tons of Pokes have access to it. It'd be more like if we banned grabs. Even then it's not the exact same since grabs would forever be just a button press away whereas in Pokemon you can just not have your Poke learn Double Team.

It's a weak comparison, I admit. But people were using it before and I wanted to tie back to it.

I doubt an NU would overcentralize with double team.

But fair enough.

Actually you said 75% + 1. What made you change your mind?

Lack of sleep.

 

[fkacyan]

@whoeversaidsomethingaboutdoubleteam:

NU / UU pokemon would get smashed by Machamp / Any pokemon that can learn a 100% accuracy move like Aerial Ace / Shockwave.

 

[Eddie G]

mlg didn't choose their stagelist because of midwest stagelist lol.

But midwest-east has ******** stagelists when OS hosts tourneys (and others where hes not still have ******** stages like nopes monthly ect) and enough cats support it so it doesn't change

also lol at saying generalizations are silly while calling yourself "the best peach in the midwest"

One man's trash is another man's treasure I suppose.

And I don't call myself the best Peach in the Midwest dude...Y.b.M. put that on my sig since he believes it to be so.

But seriously, it's the new standard set by MLG so why complain instead of just spending some time to learn about them and adapt to perform well on them? Maybe you've been too conservative for too long? Maybe the other regions think the stagelist is ******** because they've been conditioned to believe it is? The "everyone else does it" argument was never a legitimate one to begin with so I'm glad MW-E had the stones to not conform so easily, but that's a different matter altogether. In short...Falco, ICs, and Diddy will no longer be spoiled rotten by a conservative starter stage list. MK doesn't really matter...since he's flexible as all hell anyway.

 

[pure_awesome]

100% accuracy moves take out Double Team, sure. But then you just get to the same problem we're facing with MK; overcentralization.

The Poke metagame would just be a rock-paper-scissors match consisting of Double Team teams, Anti-Double Team teams, and Standard Teams. Double Team teams would beat Standard teams, Standard teams beat Anti-DT teams, and Anti-DT teams beat DT teams.

It's not that Double Team is broken, it's that it overcentralizes the game. It doesn't need to be broken, it needs to be stupid.








(MK is stupid.)

 

[Thebest1pj]

you guys sure do ***** about mk alot

 

[demonictoonlink]

you guys sure do ***** about mk alot

This statement right here was posted earlier today.

 

[Kaffei]

MK is my life