ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Thats...quite bad...
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I know I know, but matchups are a big part of it, and D3 is kind of iffy when it comes to that.Please don't base things off that chart. >_<
I mean, the match-up's are so off that Dedede is in low tier.
Its updated from time to time, and the last is from July 31st I believe. I do agree that tournament results are a big part of it, but matchups are an important part too. If I were to factor in tournament results, it would look alot different.matchups are indeed a factor but the tournament results should be factored in the most.
That and the chart is rather outdated.
Oh well, as I said, feel free to flameHe only like updates 4 matchup's a month.
If we're lucky......
Oh, don't get me wrong, I know that it's not a tier list. I was saying that since Lucas just surpassed Ness on the tourney-rankings, that likely puts him higher than Ness on our little non-existent unofficial tier-list. Since it's based on tourney results and match-ups (which haven't been agreed upon yet, but I'm getting the impression that Lucas wins here, correct me if I'm wrong).The way this tier list discussion is going is getting ridiculous!
Ankoku's rankings thread is NOT a tier list! It doesn't say what characters can do, it says what they are doing. It doesn't account for people not playing a character very much y'all! I have a pretty good feeling that Lucas is more played than Ness, Lucas is much simpler and less intricate.
I would say Lucas myself. Better recovery via zapjump, better ground game imo.Oh, don't get me wrong, I know that it's not a tier list. I was saying that since Lucas just surpassed Ness on the tourney-rankings, that likely puts him higher than Ness on our little non-existent unofficial tier-list. Since it's based on tourney results and match-ups (which haven't been agreed upon yet, but I'm getting the impression that Lucas wins here, correct me if I'm wrong).
Character ability is important too, but I'm not sure I can decide who has more potential between Ness and Lucas without sounding too biased. ^__^
have you even played Ness, ever? try that firstI would also say Lucas is the better of the 2.His aerials pack more of a punch too
Lucas>ness in specials and smashes easilyNess is a better character in almost every aspect.
Throws, Specials, Smashes, Aerials, Ness wins in almost every category.
The only things that I can thing off that Lucas is better at are recovery and FSmashing
LOL WUT?Lucas>ness in specials and smashes easily
PK Freeze=less controllable+less kill power+slightly less lag.Specials: Pk freeze faster and wider range+less lag, lucases PK fire is again quicker and good for spacing, Pk magnet isn't much, but lacas can cause damage. PK thunder much better casue opponets can't gimp it, like you can ness.
but the Usmash has much more start up, and less range.Lucas's Up and down smash are stronger and have more knockback that ness's yo yo.
ness'sFsmash>>>Lucas' Fsmash. Its a factAnd his bat to me has seen more Ko's the ness's, even tho it is supposed to be the other way around.
Overall lucas is better.
LOL WUT?(your mom
ness'sFsmash>>>Lucas' Fsmash. Its a fact
Ness' FSmash tips. You aren't spacing right.Not on my game, Lucas almost KO all the time, ness barley KO's I tested it, no full charge just a smash tap,
no, you're wrong.Stupidity
I lol'd at that. That match-up chart is pathetic, the only match-ups that are even vaguely accurate are the ones for Meta Knight and Snake.Please don't base things off that chart. >_<
I mean, the match-up's are so off that Dedede is in low tier.
Agreed. I don't know why there isn't any respected poster to be bothered to make a chart. It is a pain to go to each character board to find out their matchups .I lol'd at that. That match-up chart is pathetic, the only match-ups that are even vaguely accurate are the ones for Meta Knight and Snake.
Seeing as how ShadowLink84 is god, jesus, Zeus, Buddha, the mesiah, and the 9th wonder of the world I'm glad he gets to be the end all be all. "Just to put an end to things" ShadowLink is the president of the world so we should stop posting all together. Don't worry he has THE OFFICIAL TIER LIST. So no more debate is needed. Voting. Opinions, Collective interest, F-that crap. No one else matters, as long as we all just go along with it no one else needs to lose sleep.just to put an end to things.
A tier list is made from the following
1.Tournament results (most important)
2. Characters matchups
3.Characters abilities.
It takes all these factors into account not just one singular.
So lets say Sonic is number 1 tournament wise. he may not be #1 tier list wise because of his matchups and abilities.
The tournaments do affect the tier list most but it doesn't dictate all of it. Nor is it necessary for a tier list to follow the tournament results.
And you're the one going out of your way to find them all! *slaps with a fish* Having Yoshi being able to do it was fine but now it's just getting ********...Turns out that Wario can be Infinited by Bowser, Ganondorf, Falcon, and Zelda also. Now he has 6 :S
Way to misinterpret something. Learn to read.Seeing as how ShadowLink84 is god, jesus, Zeus, Buddha, the mesiah, and the 9th wonder of the world I'm glad he gets to be the end all be all. "Just to put an end to things" ShadowLink is the president of the world so we should stop posting all together. Don't worry he has THE OFFICIAL TIER LIST. So no more debate is needed. Voting. Opinions, Collective interest, F-that crap. No one else matters, as long as we all just go along with it no one else needs to lose sleep.
But it's still the most reliable source of information on tiers right now, since it's based on facts. Match-up's aren't remotely cleared yet, as can be seen in the match-up thread...The tournament list would do better as a ranking if we could take a percentage of the people making the top 8, whatever, as a fraction of how many people were maining that character. Of course, without some form of character registration pre-tournament, this would be practically impossible.
But it doesn't factor in characters that are inherently superior but have one or two popular bad match-ups which ruins their results relative to what they should be. *cough cough* MK for top spot *cough cough*But it's still the most reliable source of information on tiers right now, since it's based on facts. Match-up's aren't remotely cleared yet, as can be seen in the match-up thread...
Top Tier
1. Snake
2. Meta Knight
High Tier
1. Mr. Game & Watch
2. Marth
3. R.O.B.
4. Falco
5. King DeDeDe
6. Olimar
7. Wario
Middle Tier
1. Donkey Kong
2. Toon Link
3. Wolf
4. Lucario
5. Pit
6. Pikachu
7. Ice Climbers
8. Kirby
9. Zelda
10. Fox
11. Diddy Kong
Lower Middle Tier
1. Zero Suit Samus
2. Luigi
3. Lucas
4. Ness
5. Peach
Low Tier
1. Mario
2. Sheik
3. Sonic
4. Ike
5. Pokemon Trainer
6. Samus
7. Bowser
8. Link
9. Yoshi
10. Jigglypuff
Bottom Tier
1. Ganondorf
2. Captain Falcon
Sounds good enough. I still think Link > Samus though. IC is not lower than wolf imo. Else it's quite good!I scanned the last 150 pages or so of this thread and grabbed all the tier lists posted (only 1 per person (latest) and no joke posts) and averaged them to come up with a tier list based on everyone's combined tier lists.
So if you don't like this tier list, blame yourselves, not me:
Top Tier
1. Snake
2. Meta Knight
High Tier
1. Mr. Game & Watch
2. Marth
3. R.O.B.
4. Falco
5. King DeDeDe
6. Olimar
7. Wario
Middle Tier
1. Donkey Kong
2. Toon Link
3. Wolf
4. Lucario
5. Pit
6. Pikachu
7. Ice Climbers
8. Kirby
9. Zelda
10. Fox
11. Diddy Kong
Lower Middle Tier
1. Zero Suit Samus
2. Luigi
3. Lucas
4. Ness
5. Peach
Low Tier
1. Mario
2. Sheik
3. Sonic
4. Ike
5. Pokemon Trainer
6. Samus
7. Bowser
8. Link
9. Yoshi
10. Jigglypuff
Bottom Tier
1. Ganondorf
2. Captain Falcon
I put the tiers where they fit logically based on the data. It was really ridiculously close up top between Snake and Meta.
You can flame me if you want. I don't really care.
Ness is that good. wolf isn't good enough to deserve a spot in tiers. lolYou forgot like Wolf or something and have Ness twice. rofl
He doesn't do too bad against Snake (once you learn how to deal with grenades anyway), but Metaknight is one of his worst matchups (along with Luigi). I wouldn't say he's doing well, but I certainly wouldn't consider him bottom tier. Mid low or high low tier sounds better, putting him above Yoshi and Jigglypuff. Having the surge of Snakes to get rid of some of the Metaknights could actually be considered benifitial to some of the lower tiered characters (who all get ***** by Metaknight, but tend to do better against Snake).Sonic is much too low.
Considering that Snake and MK are skewing the results somewhat he is still doing relatively better than a few characters.
Hmm that bring to question, does he perform better against the more popular characters than those below him?
it would be a reasonable explanation.