Official BBR Tier List v6

[Vinylic.]

You're a marth. You wouldn't understand, silly.

 

[M@v]

Your a luigi. Do you have fun punishing things OoS? Oh wait that's right you can't unless you power shield every single time :3

It's not just that, in several scenarios where it's been setup, it covers options A and B, while uair in the same scenario offers to cover options C and D (namely, out of dthrow). Tearbear told me how broken Fox is in reading after dthrow when looking for the kill, if the opponent doesn't do anything, air dodges, or attacks, the usmash will be there. if they DI up, jump, or do a higher attack/air dodge, uair takes care of the rest of the options.

It's a really fast and powerful kill move, and when used by a smart player it's a really good option, especially for punishment.

He knowwwwwssssss. Also would like to add we can use fair as well in some situations. Last hit of fair sends you straight up as well.

 

[Conviction]

Maybe if you auto cancel them M@v you could follow up better.

 

[M@v]

We are talking in the air dummy. Not if I'm using it to approach or shield poke

 

[Conviction]

Well damn.

 

[OverLade]

It's not just that, in several scenarios where it's been setup, it covers options A and B, while uair in the same scenario offers to cover options C and D (namely, out of dthrow). Tearbear told me how broken Fox is in reading after dthrow when looking for the kill, if the opponent doesn't do anything, air dodges, or attacks, the usmash will be there. if they DI up, jump, or do a higher attack/air dodge, uair takes care of the rest of the options.

It's a really fast and powerful kill move, and when used by a smart player it's a really good option, especially for punishment.

Wtf Fox doesnt have any sort of real mixups after Dthrow...

 

[Juushichi]

Silly Halzy, covering option a with x and option b with y isn't a mixup.

It's covering options.

 

[Shadocat]

It good to see pikachu and olimar in top tier, only a matter of time before lucario gets in there as well. and lol and the hyrule tier.

 

[Mr.-0]

Phoenix is SSSSSSSSS+++++++++ Tier.

 

[OverLade]

Silly Halzy, covering option a with x and option b with y isn't a mixup.

It's covering options.

A mixup is a scenario where one character has the ability to get guaranteed reward if he chooses the right option based on what his opponent chooses.

Aka running at your opponent, you can attack, sidestep, shield, and grab. Between those 4 options you can beat out just about everything. But Fox Dthrowing someone doesn't guarantee he'll get a real followup immediately afterwards (out of the downthrow) because people have double jumps... Dthrow doesn't combo into any aerial lol.

 

[MJG]

A mixup is a scenario where one character has the ability to get guaranteed reward if he chooses the right option based on what his opponent chooses.

Aka running at your opponent, you can attack, sidestep, shield, and grab. Between those 4 options you can beat out just about everything. But Fox Dthrowing someone doesn't guarantee he'll get a real followup immediately afterwards (out of the downthrow) because people have double jumps... Dthrow doesn't combo into any aerial lol.

This^

I've played Zeton enough to know that I can easily avoid being attacked from fox's down throw.

 

[Steam]

It good to see pikachu and olimar in top tier, only a matter of time before lucario gets in there as well. and lol and the hyrule tier.

nah, there's a massive gap between lucario and the characters above him... the highest lucario will ever go is 10th unless something big changes.

 

[B.A.M.]

Is Zeton at TKD level? Just curious.


Oh the day when Sonic is legitimate in peoples eyes. I kinda like people throwing out dtilts though; free 25 -30% percent for me.

 

[army man]

isn't MK banned from tourneys or something?

 

[DMG]

The problem with Dthrow is that the situation he mentions for being a setup for Uair or Usmash is that it tends to be around 50-60%, which is below killing range. Anything before or after tends to give the other person too much time or too much knockback for you to reliably go for that.

Even then, it's a pressure game of potential options, nothing forced until the MK/person thrown reacts. Which they get time to react since they are being thrown and you have to run to them first or else they go out of range anyways. Not saying you can;t get a read or punish from it, but it's more of a educated guess deal than a "WTF my options are super covered, **** I'm likely to eat a hit here" that you described.

 

[phi1ny3]

Yeah, that's what I meant, the dual-fold makes it both a good punish option/cover and of course a kill move. It makes for a really good trap at mid percents, and of course if you screw up almost any time during a good fox 90+, you're gonna die rofl.

 

[Seagull Joe]

For people with the idea of 2 stock matches...The tier list would change for and specifically because it'd take only 2 grabs instead of 3 for and armor pieces for 1 stock outta 2 for gives her a large advantage that most of the cast doesn't have.

 

[phi1ny3]

It might also nerf lucario, although anyone that's good enough to not let the lucario damage them much first stock, then lose by comeback for the lucario's last stock probably should've lost in the first place

It would make him take a hit in doubles though, that's for sure.

 

[Luigi player]

The more stocks you have the more accurate the outcome will be. 3 stocks is already very few and is only because of time constraints.
If you play with less stocks it will randomize the game even more. :/

 

[Anthon1996]

And luigi could be on top of the mid-tier. That's some green stuff there.

Discover a way for Luigi to reliably approach, then talk.

 

[Tesh]

For people with the idea of 2 stock matches...The tier list would change for and specifically because it'd take only 2 grabs instead of 3 for and armor pieces for 1 stock outta 2 for gives her a large advantage that most of the cast doesn't have.

I don't understand the reasoning behind being better. Sure it only takes 2 grabs in theory to win, but it also only takes 2 gimps/separations on to win. I don't see them being any for effective though. I agree that and would see beneficial changes and would see arguably negative changes.

 

[Chuee]

I don't understand the reasoning behind being better. Sure it only takes 2 grabs in theory to win, but it also only takes 2 gimps/separations on to win. I don't see them being any for effective though. I agree that and would see beneficial changes and would see arguably negative changes.

wow........PT in one stock matches ._.
Also by ICs, he means it takes only 1 mistake for you to lose to them with 1 stock, however it also takes one mistake by the ICs for them to lose.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Bottomline, We're not going down to two stocks only. While MK will never be banned, Goodnight.

 

[Steam]

yea lucario would get ***** in doubles if it was two stocks.

 

[Ussi]

At least you're not Ice Climbers in doubles

 

[Tesh]

but omg ice climbers only ned 6 grabs to win in dubz

 

[Kantrip]

but omg zss gives them free grabs with stun lazorz

 

[stingers]

zss icies are ****ing broken, i ****ing hate having to fight that ****ing team in ****ing tournament

 

[hichez50]

but omg ice climbers only ned 6 grabs to win in dubz

But they only need 3 grabs before they lose all there stocks to fully charged smashes.

 

[benaji261!]

I wanna know why PKMN trainer isn't counted as three sep characters like Zelda/Shiek. It's probably been stated a million times, but I haven't seen one of those million, so I'm asking. Is it cause of the force change when you get KO'd?

 

[stingers]

yea, thats the reason

 

[phi1ny3]

I wanna know why PKMN trainer isn't counted as three sep characters like Zelda/Shiek. It's probably been stated a million times, but I haven't seen one of those million, so I'm asking. Is it cause of the force change when you get KO'd?

It's because unless you have that SV quick-switch glitch (that's fun to say, ), switching is going to be tedious. You will almost always have to end up fighting with at least two pokemon, and since hacks aren't going to be universally applied in rulesets, there's no way to play standalone pokemon. Pokemon also get fatigued, so even when you don't die, you still have to switch because your pokemon get really pathetic at killing (Iirc Squirtle actually gets some cool stringing ability from fatigue, but that's it).

Sheik/Zelda is pretty convenient, conversely. You have the ability to go through an entire match and not be penalized for not switching, and have the benefit of having a few MUs lessened in severity for Sheik (like Pika, ICs, and D3). That being said, the MUs are still bad usually (except for D3, Zelda's deceptively useful in that MU), it's just that Sheik doesn't have to worry about getting CG'd to oblivion (and Zelda has a couple of gimmicks in those MUs).

 

[Vinylic.]

Your a luigi. Do you have fun punishing things OoS? Oh wait that's right you can't unless you power shield every single time :3

Discover a way for Luigi to reliably approach, then talk.

That's gonna be hard to explain then. :V

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

peach has success? what.

Yes she does.

 

[infiniteV115]

Last edited by Shaya; 07-15-2011 at 02:46 AM.

So around when can we expect more writeups?

 

[T-block]

It's not a glitch xP

Even if every match were played on Smashville, PT would still be considered one character, just because it's impossible to guarantee that you will be able to play as only one pokemon. Ranking each pokemon separately is therefore an attempt to portray a metagame that does not exist.

 

[Shaya]

Jeez, T-Block, Red Ryu.

Go make some write ups.

 

[OverLade]

The more stocks you have the more accurate the outcome will be. 3 stocks is already very few and is only because of time constraints.
If you play with less stocks it will randomize the game even more. :/

I disagree completely. 3 stocks just means you're able to widen a gap even more by abusing a characters ability to avoid kill moves or run away/bait via percent. 1 stock will make the game more accurate because people will have the patience to play 100% for the entire match.

I'd like to see people give 1 stock 3/5 sets a chance, because I think it'd be way more entertaining then the **** we watch now.

For people with the idea of 2 stock matches...The tier list would change for and specifically because it'd take only 2 grabs instead of 3 for and armor pieces for 1 stock outta 2 for gives her a large advantage that most of the cast doesn't have.

Agree with ZSS, disagree with ICs. People would just play safer against characters like ICs. A lot of people get grabbed because they feel pressure to create a lead to work with to bait and get kills. From 1 stock, there's no pressure to get a lead really because getting timed out won't be a big issue. Everyone will play super safe from the beginning.

 

[Tesh]

People should just play safe from the beginning anyway....

 

[OverLade]

That's like saying every MK player should hit their opponent once, and then run away and plank for 8 minutes as long as they have a 1% lead...