Official BBR Tier List v6

[~ Gheb ~]

nair does 19, dsmash if both hits connect is like 25ish, shuttle loop does decent. and they are all fast.

Nair does only 19% if both hits connect, otherwise it's not more than 10%. Dsmash does less than that - about 9% on a successful hit with the front. SL does only 9%. The only move out of those that does good damage is Nair OoS against a poorly spaced move.

 

[Metakill]

but.. when mk hit you... then hit you twice... always..

 

[army man]

OK thanks guys!

 

[Steam]

don't forget nado.

 

[Metakill]

When you talk about obv you talk about tornado...
btw... +20% is tornado damage right?

 

[benaji261!]

It's because unless you have that SV quick-switch glitch (that's fun to say, ), switching is going to be tedious. You will almost always have to end up fighting with at least two pokemon, and since hacks aren't going to be universally applied in rulesets, there's no way to play standalone pokemon. Pokemon also get fatigued, so even when you don't die, you still have to switch because your pokemon get really pathetic at killing (Iirc Squirtle actually gets some cool stringing ability from fatigue, but that's it).

Sheik/Zelda is pretty convenient, conversely. You have the ability to go through an entire match and not be penalized for not switching, and have the benefit of having a few MUs lessened in severity for Sheik (like Pika, ICs, and D3). That being said, the MUs are still bad usually (except for D3, Zelda's deceptively useful in that MU), it's just that Sheik doesn't have to worry about getting CG'd to oblivion (and Zelda has a couple of gimmicks in those MUs).

Thanks. That answered my question perfectly.

 

[DMG]

Yeah Tornado for some reason does a **** ton of damage lol.

 

[V]

Am I the only non olimar main who is disappointed with him not rising?

 

[Judo777]

MK doesn't have high damage moves, but i guess he makes up for that with speed.......

Nair does 21% try again lol. I'm fairly certain I have seen it do 21%.

 

[Ussi]

I remember it doing 21% fresh

 

[Gindler]

So people say things without checking facts? Not sure who to believe

 

[army man]

21%!? thats like his strongest attack! but is it a multihit?

 

[Metakill]

i only get 19% with Nair
First Hit - 12%
Second - 7%

tornado 23% LOOOOL

 

[AlanHaTe]

max % I've done messing around with MK is 21%

 

[Judo777]

21%!? thats like his strongest attack! but is it a multihit?

its his most damaging hit other than maybe tornado. More importantly its a frame 3 aerial that does a TON of damage and kills at like 120%.

Nado is more escapable. Also i was under the impression nair has 3 hits.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Too bad Nair is usually always decayed at some point to ever KO that early. So you get a ****! moment whenever you realize you overused it when it doesn't kill and have to chase someone again in the air.

 

[Judo777]

Too bad Nair is usually always decayed at some point to ever KO that early. So you get a ****! moment whenever you realize you overused it when it doesn't kill and have to chase someone again in the air.

But even when it has been staled to far to kill its still EASILY his best punish in that situation (other than maybe SL but nair does like 17% stale) which is still way too much damage.

It's like "crap i didn't kill him, however i did just Snake Ftilt him in the air so thats good I suppose"

 

[Kaffei]

But even when it has been staled to far to kill its still EASILY his best punish in that situation (other than maybe SL but nair does like 17% stale) which is still way too much damage.

It's like "crap i didn't kill him, however i did just Snake Ftilt him in the air so thats good I suppose"

nair will only do 17% if it connects both hits
at higher %s it's really unlikely for both hits to connect

 

[Shaya]

its his most damaging hit other than maybe tornado. More importantly its a frame 3 aerial that does a TON of damage and kills at like 120%.

Nado is more escapable. Also i was under the impression nair has 3 hits.

It doesn't even come close to killing at 120% unless its fresh off stage, please don't exaggerate.

People survive marth's tipper fsmash at 120% centre stage.

 

[Steam]

People survive marth's tipper fsmash at 120% centre stage.

what the fuuuuuu

 

[Shaya]

>mfw when I grab release tipper fsmash wario centre of battlefield and he survives at 130-140%
> i have no face, I raged in tournament for a good 10 seconds.

 

[Steam]

>mfw when I grab release tipper fsmash wario centre of battlefield and he survives at 130-140%
> i have no face, I raged in tournament for a good 10 seconds.

that seems impossible

 

[Shaya]

Australia:

we're good at DI. I've survived fresh snake utilts with marth at 150% on ps2 =) [the slightly weaker end of foot hitbox though]

 

[Browny]

That's not surviving.

That's called the attack not killing

 

[DMG]

That's actually impossible assuming the Fsmash was fresh. Trust me I've gone over the kill % for Fsmash.

Only way it could have not killed was if he was 120 AFTER the blow.

Even then, ehhhh

 

[-Jumpman-]

Australia:

we're good at DI. I've survived fresh snake utilts with marth at 150% on ps2 =) [the slightly weaker end of foot hitbox though]

But you suck at everything else... =|

 

[Shaya]

I know, rite?

That's actually impossible assuming the Fsmash was fresh. Trust me I've gone over the kill % for Fsmash.

Only way it could have not killed was if he was 120 AFTER the blow.

Even then, ehhhh

I cried for more than 10 minutes. Hell it's probably on youtube -somewhere-

 

[Life]

Did the Wario have Doom SDI or something?

 

[C.J.]

Did the Wario have Doom SDI or something?

Can't SDI tipper fsmash.

 

[Life]

Can't SDI tipper fsmash.

 

[Shaya]

He pretty much went straight up (like 70 degree angle) and I was like 'cool' and then a moment later I realised he was alive and qq'd.

 

[army man]

well it also depends on which character you hit when he/she is at 130% or how good that person is at DI

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Some people have insane DI, still living at 120% to that, pfft, needs more sweet spot tippered nair.

 

[Browny]

You mean head hitbox.

 

[Shaya]

Marth's nipple tipper neutral air is pretty cool too.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I believe Falcon is better than people give him credit for. Better than characters like Mario and Bowser, that's for sure.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm interested to hear why, as I've always seen him as a faster ganon.

 

[Judo777]

Sheiks nair kills at 130% from close to edge and it does like....... 11%? Your telling me MK's nair which does 6 more % and has alot more knockback can't kill at 120?

 

[Metakill]

a faster ganon can be pretty decent ... (Melee's Ganon can prove that and Kage)
Just ban FD and SV. Then... spam Uair if you're down to your oponnent... win 1st match, lose 2nd.... counter Rainbow... moar spam of Uair.

Falcon ***** lows

 

[Kantrip]

Maybe it's just because of the Diddy matchup, but I've never found Captain Falcon to have any particularly threatening character traits. I find Bowser and Mario to be better characters than Captain Falcon, for sure.