Official BBR Tier List v5

[~Firefly~]

I say steeler and t block.
Steeler hasnt done much aside from be a personality on the boards at all. and I only know t block as a TO, not as a highly skilled player. ( he may be, but thats not how I know him.

T-block mains Diddy. He used to main PT, but he's more of a secondary now.

 

[Mike B]

Jiggly higher than Zelda, I never knew.

 

[Poltergust]

unfortunately Yoshis airdodge is really bad, he's recovery could be even better but that's not the case =(

and I want to see thoose Reflex vs. M2K Videos o:

That doesn't mean we can't recover, though.

Worst case scenario if you recover cautiously with DJ: Yoshi air-dodges past his opponent and hits the ground. Opponent hits Yoshi while he's in landing lag. Yoshi DIs better this time to avoid such a situation again. No gimp.

Best case scenario: Rising f-air spike.

 

[Nike.]

5.76
5.85
6.62

From the BBR Character Discussion threads and everyone's views at that time, it was widely assumed that Marth would finally obtain his long awaited #5 spot. Most people called him underrated and thought he definitely deserved a rise for v5. Many BBR's considered him top4. Wario was basically everyone saying "He has potential" and just moved on to the next discussion. The thread didn't even reach 40 posts.

So how did Wario pass Marth by .09 points. Yes the point margin is basically identical and that it doesn't seem like a big deal. I'm just really curious as to how he is considered a better character than Marth.

 

[Palpi]

wario and marth suck, get over it

 

[Nike.]

cool story

 

[XBart-ManX]

Finally,Ike will be no longer considered a Noob Favourite.

 

[Flayl]

As long as new/not competitive players like to use Ike, he'll be a newbie favorite. Position on the tier list has nothing to do with it.

 

[Robfox]

Squirtle/Ivy/Charizard have the same selection method as Shiek/Zelda.

Again, the main thing is forced switches = you HAVE to use all of the Poke's (unless you're amazing and threestock the opponent within two minutes).

IDK if it would be the case with 1-stock rules tho...

Yea ok I see what you're saying.
EDIT: btw I was talking about a screen like this http://img525.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap2867638.png/ not the regular screen.

 

[phi1ny3]

Yeah about that, depending on the tournament Brawl hacks outside of cosmetic changes (aka textures for stage, music, or character textures) are not allowed/used for tournament results.

From the BBR Character Discussion threads and everyone's views at that time, it was widely assumed that Marth would finally obtain his long awaited #5 spot. Most people called him underrated and thought he definitely deserved a rise for v5. Many BBR's considered him top4. Wario was basically everyone saying "He has potential" and just moved on to the next discussion. The thread didn't even reach 40 posts.

So how did Wario pass Marth by .09 points. Yes the point margin is basically identical and that it doesn't seem like a big deal. I'm just really curious as to how he is considered a better character than Marth.

I think the reason for wario's rise aside from the possible influence of results/development is what the ruleset this list is based on (the new BBR ruleset). Wario is a very flexible character stagewise.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Yeah about that, depending on the tournament Brawl hacks outside of cosmetic changes (aka textures for stage, music, or character textures) are not allowed/used for tournament results.



I think the reason for wario's rise aside from the possible influence of results/development is what the ruleset this list is based on (the new BBR ruleset). Wario is a very flexible character stagewise.

More likely, the aggregate vote count (which includes many individuals not represented in the BBR Wario discussion thread) pushed Marth over Wario without any real other reason.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Yea ok I see what you're saying.
EDIT: btw I was talking about a screen like this http://img525.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap2867638.png/ not the regular screen.

I love how in that CS screen yoshi is at the very top and in the dead center. Just goes to show how dominate and important he truly is

 

[Blacknight99923]

I don't think marth has ever really "moved" up I think other characters just moved down.

 

[Z'zgashi]

^^^ You could say that about pretty much everyone who moved... ever...

 

[Dragoomba]

What the hell is this?

The new tier list has been out for a week and I have just seen it now.

 

[etecoon]

stage list could definitely be a factor, like, no one actually uses distant planet or port town because they are joke stages, but that's the assumption the BBR is operating under so you have to keep that in mind.

 

[Z'zgashi]

They should bring back hanenbow

 

[Mikachiru]

stage list could definitely be a factor, like, no one actually uses distant planet or port town because they are joke stages, but that's the assumption the BBR is operating under so you have to keep that in mind.

...Distant Planet. Peach's CP. Diddy. Let's do this. XD

I think there's circle camping or something in that stage, though...

 

[gallax]

...Distant Planet. Peach's CP. Diddy. Let's do this. XD

I think there's circle camping or something in that stage, though...

Not circle camping. Hardcore sharking and planking +the frog issue.

 

[Juushichi]

The frog was an issue? What is this, 2008?

 

[Flayl]

The actual issue is that the rain isn't frequent enough IMO

 

[Z'zgashi]

LOL! How in the world is the frog an issue?! He only eats you if you land in his mouth or if you stand on his head while he's looking up, he gives you clear signs of when he's going to attack. Any other time he's just a non passable platform without ledges

 

[Life]

His name is Bulborb. /petpeeve

 

[Mikachiru]

Not circle camping. Hardcore sharking and planking +the frog issue.

Oh, I see. Thanks for the correction. :D

The actual issue is that the rain isn't frequent enough IMO

The frog was an issue? What is this, 2008?

Agreed. I like the rain. No CGs for you, ICs/D3/whoever can cg up hills. And I didn't really think Bulborb was an issue...might be wrong.

His name is Bulborb. /petpeeve

^This. He doesn't really look like a frog to me...

*Has played Pikmin 2*

 

[deepseadiva]

There is light circling camping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUO8wEYF2ew

 

[Mikachiru]

There is light circling camping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUO8wEYF2ew

I thought so. I saw that video yesterday while looking up your combo video thing.

 

[Hive]

There is light circling camping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUO8wEYF2ew

lol ouch if you kill someone in a 3 stock game without getting hit does that count as a jv 4 stock? :D

 

[Flayl]

I should have posted my arguments against that vid on the youtube comments, that way you wouldn't be able to link it unopposed

short story: didn't use pellets, bad decisions, etc. etc.

 

[Juushichi]

Can I post a video of me lightly chaingrab gaying a guy who first started playing with Mario with my DDD on FD to show why FD's a joke stage?

 

[Flayl]

On another note. I've actually fiddled with Yoshi today...

And egg toss might be the single most overrated attack I've ever seen. The lag on that thing IS HUGE.

Is there some secret egg toss cancel technique I'm not aware of? I read about tactics using it AT SHORT RANGE and now I'm utterly confused.

 

[Z'zgashi]

That's cuz you cant just pick up yoshi, use his attacks and be good. You have to know how how and when to use what. This isn't meta knight.

 

[Mikachiru]

On another note. I've actually fiddled with Yoshi today...

And egg toss might be the single most overrated attack I've ever seen. The lag on that thing IS HUGE.

Is there some secret egg toss cancel technique I'm not aware of? I read about tactics using it AT SHORT RANGE and now I'm utterly confused.

That's cuz you cant just pick up yoshi, use his attacks and be good. You have to know how how and when to use what. This isn't meta knight.

Flayl was asking about Egg tossing, how overrated it was, and it's lag, not why the attack so bad. I think...

 

[Z'zgashi]

You can slide while throwing eggs (both forwards and back), you can ledge cancel them, you can, get frame advantage with them, etc, etc.

 

[Pro_Brawler]

Good for you Pit XD

 

[Yikarur]

you can, get frame advantage with them

good luck with this one, 54 frames duration is huge D:

 

[Deleted member]

There is no strategy to use eggs at close range XD
Except on the ledge

 

[Z'zgashi]

Yika, if we throw an egg and it hits during the last couple frames before the egg would normally explode (or during the normal explosion) we have up to 5-10ish frames after the lag before the hit. Then they have the hitstun or shield stun if they blocked it. That gives us just enough time to dash grab or something. Try it yourself. Im suprised you didn't know that.

 

[Yikarur]

lol you can't be serious, OF COURSE I KNOW THAT -__-
but it's UNLIKELY that it will happen, because it must be the very last frames of the egg toss and the egg explodes automatically if it connects.
it's just theoriecrafting, your opponent can roll away when you try to dash grab and you're open.
if your opponent know what Yoshi is capable of, that kind of combos won't work.
believe me, it's a pain to play against People who know the match-up D:

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Can I post a video of me lightly chaingrab gaying a guy who first started playing with Mario with my DDD on FD to show why FD's a joke stage?

I lol'd.

10char

 

[T-block]

T-block mains Diddy. He used to main PT, but he's more of a secondary now.

Trolling me even on Tactical? Really?

For the record, I co-main, in every sense of the word.

And no, da kid, I'm definitely nowhere near top level. I'm actually really bad performance-wise lol. But Magik and typh have both done some noticeable things with PT.