Official BBR Matchup Chart v1.0

[Laem]

After seeing you were the last poster I just had to check if you are going to say that again. >_>
RCO lag is the least of Marios worries in that MU. Mario cannot commit to anything useful without the risk of getting grabbed.

Mario can spam dair and get away with it.

Actually RCO lag is a huge problem in his match-up with DDD. DDD's ledge traps completely wreck Mario because of RCO lag. He wouldn't even need to infinite CG Mario for it to be terrible if he can abuse Mario's terrible edge game adequately. It's the same reason why DDD beats Marth, except more drastic.

Meh gonna have to side with lzr, RCO lag can almost always be worked around. Unless youre playing on FD maybe but that stage is broken as ****

 

[popsofctown]

what's k-prime mash mean?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Meh gonna have to side with lzr, RCO lag can almost always be worked around. Unless youre playing on FD maybe but that stage is broken as ****

Not when you're Mario =(

 

[phi1ny3]

what's k-prime mash mean?

Setting the D-pad to a different button and using that to help your mash even more (makes it very, very fast).

 

[Deleted member]

Olimar vs Lucario should not be even. >_>

Really difficult for Lucario to get in, and one Pikmin stops a fully-charged aura sphere.

It's -1 at least for .

 

[phi1ny3]

Yeah, I can agree. Although w/ some of FWK's advice, I want to see how much better Junebug/Trela do at the MU, lots of very interesting nuances about the MU.

 

[Steam]

Olimar vs Lucario should not be even. >_>

Really difficult for Lucario to get in, and one Pikmin stops a fully-charged aura sphere.

It's -1 at least for .

this is honestly one of the wierd matchups that's a lot better in practice than it is in theory. and even I do not understand why. it still could be a -1 though

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

*zori looks at trela, both laugh*

 

[Sinister Slush]

Did you forget Denti Beating Trela?

 

[Tesh]

*shrug* kprime beat him that same day though. I doubt people would say pika is +1 on lucario.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

wow. denti beat trela once. cool story (i was there). i also know trela usually never loses to either of those 2 and that he wasn't focused on the game that tourney so much as the fact that he is moving away/may have already moved (am not sure).

i mean hell he lost to kprime. trela never loses to pikachus, just like he doesn't really lose to olimar. and ya while trela still place reasonably high, to go from top 3 usually to not even making top 5 kinda shows that he wasn't on his game. (also no offense kprime, you earned your victory)

 

[Steam]

where is/did trela move? :0

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

san antonio. it's still texas ya but it's really far away from all of us houstonians

 

[Nike.]

He's not moving for a couple months.

 

[phi1ny3]

He did lose to Rich Brown, but he beat anuar, and he's beaten Zori several times.

 

[Steam]

didn't he beat logic too?

 

[Doc King]

The only one i don't agree to an extent is Wario. I do agree with your reasoning for Mario and I understand for Ganon/Falcon.
Why do you think it is that bad for Wario?

Also, do you consider it to be +4 without the infinite?

Because King dedede can explot a good amount of Wario's weaknesses like Marth and Peach and has a good amount of AT's on him.

Which infinite?

 

[phi1ny3]

didn't he beat logic too?

Yeah, I think he might have, if he didn't, Junebug definitely has.

 

[Shaya]

This just in!

Sheik:
+1:
0:
-1:

 

[Fuujin]

This just in!

Sheik:
+1:
0:
-1:

Sheik does really well on Meta Knight...until she gets airborn.

 

[phi1ny3]

Chain v. Olimar is +3 chain's favor

 

[-LzR-]

Because King dedede can explot a good amount of Wario's weaknesses like Marth and Peach and has a good amount of AT's on him.

Which infinite?

Link has many ATs he must be the best char in the game, right?

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

DDD's AT's actually matter. only a very few actually even come close to being useful for link. argument invalidated

 

[Laem]

What AT's would those be?
DownB sliding? Advanced Gordo Throwing? Grab?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

What AT's would those be?
DownB sliding? Advanced Gordo Throwing? Grab?

An infinite at the ledge (if you have a very specific distance), which is nice to have, but involves a fair amount of luck, and is only one thing.

Link's ATs are pretty useful; more so than Dedede's, but he's still Link.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

ya i guess you can't call his grab stuff an AT since it's soooo easy.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

What grab stuff does he have that the entire cast can't do?

I'm not sure that I'd call the chaingrab an AT, because then we would call any unavoidable string of moves an AT. I'm not even sure I'd call his infinites ATs.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

well his cg and his infinites are like mildly advaced techniques. but that's about it

 

[Doc King]

D3 also got good finishers on Wario like the air released up smash, up tilt, and bair. D3 can also space well against Wario which makes Wario timeout game pretty hard to perform since you're gonna need to get a first hit on D3.

 

[da K.I.D.]

uhmmmm

I think everyone here is either forgetting or didnt hear about the instant pivot grab infinite that d3 has on everbody that he can cg normally... I mean its so difficult nobody can do it. to the point where everyone stopped trying and just forgot about it. im still waiting for some random kid with good hands to pick up the character and start winning tournaments left and right until the move gets banned.

 

[phi1ny3]

^Yeah, I thought it only worked on several of the CGable characters though, since some of them slide just a bit too far.

 

[Tesh]

If I recall it only works on one character that matters. Snake. Otherwise its Bowser and Wolf (already got an infinite on both), and charizrd and ivysaur who both suck anyway.

Its more difficult than that QAC lock pikachu has on everyone.

Although DDD makes a pretty lulzy jedi in his red robe.

 

[Laem]

Hmm i did actually forget about that yea
that pic is freakin amazing :d

 

[Doc King]

I'm just curious, but does the buffered pivot infinite work on characters on certain slopes? I know the Dash Dancing Pivot infinite works on several characters like Wario, but I wanna know if you can do other cool stuff with it.

 

[Tesh]

DDD is such a horrible character design. MK they made stupidly good in alot of ways, but DDD they just make a couple of things just ridiculous. I'm going to be very sad if he can pull off that infinite with the use of the ledge or small bumps or something.

 

[Doc King]

DDD is such a horrible character design. MK they made stupidly good in alot of ways, but DDD they just make a couple of things just ridiculous. I'm going to be very sad if he can pull off that infinite with the use of the ledge or small bumps or something.

D3 imo is a weird character design.

And I've actually pulled a pivot infinite before on Wario and Ganon.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Since Meta Knight is going to be banned, should the Backroom even bother with his MU's and just put every character as +4.

 

[Doc King]

Since Meta Knight is going to be banned, should the Backroom even bother with his MU's and just put every character as +4.

Probably not, since it won't matter anymore since you won't see him in tourneys anymore.

 

[Flayl]

Putting an accurate matchup distribution would help people understand why he's banned.

 

[Black Mantis]

can't wait to see this new chart