Boo. to all of that.
Ganon wins by hitting his opponent. Ganon can actually land hits when his opponent tries to do the same, instead of this ******* hypothetical situation where ganon is always attacking an opponent that hasnt commited yet.
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Ganon wins by hitting his opponent. Ganon can actually land hits when his opponent tries to do the same, instead of this ******* hypothetical situation where ganon is always attacking an opponent that hasnt commited yet.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
^One of the few times Laem isn't a complete ******.
Grim Tuesday
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The feeling is mutual.
Ratios should be described in a X / 10 matches manner imo because then the numbers actually have a non-arbitrary foundation. If two equally skilled Falco and Snake players play the match-up 10 times the most realistic outcome would be that both characters win 5 times making it the 5/5 match-up we all know it to be. A simpler, yet more realistically applicable method doesn't exist imo.
Supermodel From Paris
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The word you want is "nebulous," not arbitrary.Results of equally skilled [or close to equally skilled] players.
Yes, you can.
Doc King
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It's not really the aggressive things that Ganon can do that make him bad. It's a whole lot about the insane lack of defense and speed he has. One mistake can equal a death to God/Top/High Tiers a lot of times.
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I don't dislike you or anything like that but...
Look who's talking, it's hard to take such a statement seriously
i don't believe in slight advantages.
namely because they dont exist.
matchups are either even, advantage/disadvantage, or unlosable/unwinnable.
that's all there is to it.
small differences only matter at low level play, and are often less important than a single solid read or mistake.
namely because they dont exist.
matchups are either even, advantage/disadvantage, or unlosable/unwinnable.
that's all there is to it.
small differences only matter at low level play, and are often less important than a single solid read or mistake.
Luigi player
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but if a character always wins, but all "10" matches are like last hit, then it would still be a 100:0 MU? this is so stupid -.- I don't understand how you can view it like that. It would still just be a slight advantage...Ratios should be described in a X / 10 matches manner imo because then the numbers actually have a non-arbitrary foundation. If two equally skilled Falco and Snake players play the match-up 10 times the most realistic outcome would be that both characters win 5 times making it the 5/5 match-up we all know it to be. A simpler, yet more realistically applicable method doesn't exist imo.
If all the matches really are last hit, then it would be more than likely that the matches would go back and forth, favouring one character slightly.
And if you did a statistical analysis of lots of matches between the characters, the ratio that comes out of that would be close to what the 'true' match-up ratio is.
If there's some extraordinary match-up where one character always wins but they don't win by much, then yes, the match-up would still be 100:0
People tend to rate match ups in smash by also rating how many stocks the enemy character can take.
"Omg Sheik can take Marth down to last stock - must be EVEN".
"Omg Sheik can take Marth down to last stock - must be EVEN".
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Yes, yes it was.
Yes.
So if one character can NOT beat the other character ONCE out of ten attempts you'd call that a "slight disadvantage"?
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Melee Peach is like this to an extent. She relies so much on trading hits that whenever she wins at top level it's generally not by very much.
Luigi player
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yes, if he's just one hit away?! He could have won, wasn't far away from it.Yes.
So if one character can NOT beat the other character ONCE out of ten attempts you'd call that a "slight disadvantage"?
what if he beats every player of that character but not the best one (because he's probably better)?
It just can't be that bad.
If I would think of the ratio that way I'd see all advantages as like 90:10. : |
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
We could always use a scale of worst to best match-ups.
For example, Ganondorf: Ice Climbers, Falco, Meta Knight > and keep going like that.
For example, Ganondorf: Ice Climbers, Falco, Meta Knight > and keep going like that.
da K.I.D.
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yea... thats the point.
this this this.Ratios should be described in a X / 10 matches manner imo because then the numbers actually have a non-arbitrary foundation. If two equally skilled Falco and Snake players play the match-up 10 times the most realistic outcome would be that both characters win 5 times making it the 5/5 match-up we all know it to be. A simpler, yet more realistically applicable method doesn't exist imo.
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facepalm. i hate this too.
Ghebs logic is surprisingly on point today.So if one character can NOT beat the other character ONCE out of ten attempts you'd call that a "slight disadvantage"?
too opinionated. if there were, say, 8 characters in this game, this would be feasible. but in a game of ~38 characters, theres no way youre going to get any 2 people, let alone the 4-6 that are in some of the characters matchup committees to come to an agreement on any one specific list for any character.
the base idea is solid though and imo is essentially the conceptual basis behind the current number system that we are using right now.
BlueXenon
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Marth should be -2 with MK.
because......................?
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
MK should be -4 with Snake.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
THAT IS COMPLETELY WRONG I MAIN LINK AND I BEAT ALL MY FRIENDS WHO USE KIRBY WITH HIM BECAUSE MY SMASHES R SO STRONG THEY KILL KIRBY AT LOW DAMAGES
/caaps
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You have to remember that Kirby is a circle.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Not if he uses stone.
He's a sphere.
So Link should be -4.188789020 with Kirby
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
ya, DDD is pretty unwinnable for mario. he gets infinited just like luigi except he doesn't have the luxery of being able to kill him
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D3 can also put Mario into bad situations when recovering, due to having a poor recovery and having a pretty laggy rco lag. D3 can also space well against Mario's up tilt, up air, and a lot of his other moves. D3 can also kill him pretty easily.
After seeing you were the last poster I just had to check if you are going to say that again. >_>
RCO lag is the least of Marios worries in that MU. Mario cannot commit to anything useful without the risk of getting grabbed.
optimuskirby
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Actually RCO lag is a huge problem in his match-up with DDD. DDD's ledge traps completely wreck Mario because of RCO lag. He wouldn't even need to infinite CG Mario for it to be terrible if he can abuse Mario's terrible edge game adequately. It's the same reason why DDD beats Marth, except more drastic.
The only one i don't agree to an extent is Wario. I do agree with your reasoning for Mario and I understand for Ganon/Falcon.
Why do you think it is that bad for Wario?
Also, do you consider it to be +4 without the infinite?
Grim Tuesday
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The infinite is escapable anyway, isn't it? You just have to K-Prime Mash.
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