Fenrir VII
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maybe not, but I don't want to potentially crush a viable tactic...you know? just get rid of the gayness of it, i hope.
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Metaknight Johns just got taken to a whole new level
- Thread starter Hai Im Fearless
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XIF
Smash Master
hold on a second here
I fail to see the argument
There is none
you do this tactic
I dont care if its difficult or not, the fact remains
ON COMMAND, WHEN YOU WANT, YOU CAN BECOME INVINCIBLE, INVISIBLE, AND TRAVEL THE STAGE WITHOUT GETTING HIT
THIS IS NOT STALLING, THIS IS NOT LIKE MULTISHINING IN ANY WAY
NO RELATION
you see, with wall bombing and rising pound, you can still hit them.
This isnt a gimmick, this isnt a mater of logistics, its on demand invincibility, this is up there in the realm of the MVC2 gambit glitch in obvious bans. Its a get out of jail free card. There are a total of 2 viable options
Ban down B: auto DQ if done no questions asked.
Ban Metaknight.
Might as well ban the character if you'll ban the move.
I fail to see the gimmick in a tactic that makes you invincible.
I fail to see the argument
There is none
you do this tactic
I dont care if its difficult or not, the fact remains
ON COMMAND, WHEN YOU WANT, YOU CAN BECOME INVINCIBLE, INVISIBLE, AND TRAVEL THE STAGE WITHOUT GETTING HIT
THIS IS NOT STALLING, THIS IS NOT LIKE MULTISHINING IN ANY WAY
NO RELATION
you see, with wall bombing and rising pound, you can still hit them.
This isnt a gimmick, this isnt a mater of logistics, its on demand invincibility, this is up there in the realm of the MVC2 gambit glitch in obvious bans. Its a get out of jail free card. There are a total of 2 viable options
Ban down B: auto DQ if done no questions asked.
Ban Metaknight.
Might as well ban the character if you'll ban the move.
I fail to see the gimmick in a tactic that makes you invincible.
Fenrir VII
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Bit overdramatic there, Xif...
First of all, you act like you can push a button and get out of any combo or anything. an instant fixer...which it's not. It has startup time, during which MK can be hit with any attack. Also, after the tactic, MK can be hit out of ending lag...especially if he attacks out of it.
If you could attack while invincible, there would be no arguing for it. As it is, though...I don't see a real problem.
On top of what I just said, apparently some things hit MK out of his invisibility... I don't have any proof of this, nor have I seen it personally, but that's at least a rumor going around.
Finally, since this is only viable on stage, it cannot be used under the stage or for recoveries etc...
If you ban any sort of infinite stall with it, your analogy to the Gambit glitch goes out the window...since it's not the same thing.
To talk about banning down B, which has no relation to the actual glitch...and banning MK himself...you're just being ridiculous.
Rising pound is actually more broken, imo, since Jiggs could fly under DL for 8 minutes against other certain characters....Roy comes to mind...and never give them a chance to attack without dying.
First of all, you act like you can push a button and get out of any combo or anything. an instant fixer...which it's not. It has startup time, during which MK can be hit with any attack. Also, after the tactic, MK can be hit out of ending lag...especially if he attacks out of it.
If you could attack while invincible, there would be no arguing for it. As it is, though...I don't see a real problem.
On top of what I just said, apparently some things hit MK out of his invisibility... I don't have any proof of this, nor have I seen it personally, but that's at least a rumor going around.
Finally, since this is only viable on stage, it cannot be used under the stage or for recoveries etc...
If you ban any sort of infinite stall with it, your analogy to the Gambit glitch goes out the window...since it's not the same thing.
To talk about banning down B, which has no relation to the actual glitch...and banning MK himself...you're just being ridiculous.
Rising pound is actually more broken, imo, since Jiggs could fly under DL for 8 minutes against other certain characters....Roy comes to mind...and never give them a chance to attack without dying.
XIF
Smash Master
This tactic far exceeds any reason for banning a character in any other fighting game.
In Tekken Tag in Korea Devil was often banned because of priority.
Super turbo Gouki is banned because of ridiculous damage output and his air fireball.
While Jusstice and Kliff are banned mainly because they are console specific, Both are horribly overpowered and would be banned anyway.
Now you see, while by their communities they have been deemed ban worthy, you can still beat them?
You wanna know the distinction.
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HIIIIITTTTT BOOOOOXXXEEEESSSS!!!!
there is an object on the screen for all of those characters to strike and therefore give damage. Gouki may be horribly overpowered but at least you can deal damage however rare it happens, the possibility exsists Devil has ridiculous priority in Tag but if you get there and throw out a hit and it connects with the character
DAMAGE
IS
DEALT.
end of argument.
EDIT for lulz:
In Tekken Tag in Korea Devil was often banned because of priority.
Super turbo Gouki is banned because of ridiculous damage output and his air fireball.
While Jusstice and Kliff are banned mainly because they are console specific, Both are horribly overpowered and would be banned anyway.
Now you see, while by their communities they have been deemed ban worthy, you can still beat them?
You wanna know the distinction.
-----------------------------------------------------
HIIIIITTTTT BOOOOOXXXEEEESSSS!!!!
there is an object on the screen for all of those characters to strike and therefore give damage. Gouki may be horribly overpowered but at least you can deal damage however rare it happens, the possibility exsists Devil has ridiculous priority in Tag but if you get there and throw out a hit and it connects with the character
DAMAGE
IS
DEALT.
end of argument.
EDIT for lulz:
I think it's unnecessary to ban Meta Knight as a whole, or even downB as a whole, honestly.
As Frames said before, if it's used for something it shouldn't be used for, like stalling, or whatever else, then it's the opponents responsibility to speak up and say something about it. It's going to be your fault in the end if you go through an entire match of this downB bull**** and you don't say something about it happening.
It's not like it can magically happen and no one notices it's happening, I mean, there's no stealthy way to get away with doing it, those of you who have actually tested it out know that you can't casually pull off this tactic and expect no one to notice what you're doing. . .ignoring the fact that Meta Knight is INVISIBLE and that should be obvious enough.
I understand what Frames is doing it not banning it. We'll see how it goes at Fast1. Either it can be a legitimate tactic, or it's going to get out of control and it's going to get banned immediately anyways, and every MK player just ruined their chances of using the tactic at all in competitive play.
Honestly, the power is in your hands, guys. Do with it what you will. I really, REALLY find it hard to believe that any Meta Knight player is going to win the tournament via this move.
As Frames said before, if it's used for something it shouldn't be used for, like stalling, or whatever else, then it's the opponents responsibility to speak up and say something about it. It's going to be your fault in the end if you go through an entire match of this downB bull**** and you don't say something about it happening.
It's not like it can magically happen and no one notices it's happening, I mean, there's no stealthy way to get away with doing it, those of you who have actually tested it out know that you can't casually pull off this tactic and expect no one to notice what you're doing. . .ignoring the fact that Meta Knight is INVISIBLE and that should be obvious enough.
I understand what Frames is doing it not banning it. We'll see how it goes at Fast1. Either it can be a legitimate tactic, or it's going to get out of control and it's going to get banned immediately anyways, and every MK player just ruined their chances of using the tactic at all in competitive play.
Honestly, the power is in your hands, guys. Do with it what you will. I really, REALLY find it hard to believe that any Meta Knight player is going to win the tournament via this move.
nevershootme
Smash Master
Just monitor every MK player in the tournament and see if they are performing it... then you can analyze
petey_did_it
Smash Ace
its not ur wii....its the first part cuz it takes speed and endurance in ur right hand and cuz i can do it
LOL thats kind of difficult. And the problem is that its not a black and white issue of whether its allowed or not. If someone does it and goes invisible for 1 second is it an auto dq? On the other hand, if a player is doing it non stop where do you draw the line. IDK maybe they'll wind up doing a gentleman's rule thing like for wobbling in melee. We're just gonna have to wait and see if this will be abused or if it will even be applicable.
Ruuku
Smash Lord
Just ban special moves, duh.
nevershootme
Smash Master
The truth and nothing but the truth! Now everyone is gonna play snake just to knee each other.
Metal_Dave
Smash Journeyman
Ahahaha! So true. ^_^
harriettheguy
Smash Lord
It will never be...fair.
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
So does masturbation but that doesn't stop people.its not ur wii....its the first part cuz it takes speed and endurance in ur right hand and cuz i can do it
SLyNKee
Smash Journeyman
Im gonna play metaknight and just do this in every one of my matches until time runs out, just to make people hate life.
Edit: Xif stop posting about EVERY fighting game ever created, we get it you play fighting games heres a dollar. Smash has never been and never will be in the same catagory as standard fighters so please stop comparing it to them.
Edit: Xif stop posting about EVERY fighting game ever created, we get it you play fighting games heres a dollar. Smash has never been and never will be in the same catagory as standard fighters so please stop comparing it to them.
Fenrir VII
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I explained the dq thing in my last post. if it is being abused as a way to avoid fighting, the player will receive a warning.
Master Raven
Smash Master
Meh. Tournies will more than likely ban this tech so I don't see the big deal here.
StripesOrBars
Smash Master
Yeah this shouldn't be banned yet.
Doesn't seem that ********.
If anything, this could cause MK to be banned in whole.
So to all the garbage a$$ kids that main him, you may wanna pick up another broken character that takes skill to use.
Doesn't seem that ********.
If anything, this could cause MK to be banned in whole.
So to all the garbage a$$ kids that main him, you may wanna pick up another broken character that takes skill to use.
Master Raven
Smash Master
Balls. MK may be one of the easier characters to pick up on but by no means are you going to automatically win every match with him ESPECIALLY if you're fighting better players using characters like Snake, DK, Falco, Marth, etc. (which are some of MK's more difficult matchups).
actionblackbird
Smash Journeyman
Objection!
Drink cup of coffee"
Ha...
amazing...my conclusion that is going to be banned no matter where you look at it. Just save the move for a DBZ type smash while we at it. Let not forget that there Sudden Death, now if I am correct, regardless after the SD, the lowes percent win...so all you have to od is counter it with a camp techinuqe...lucas could do jsut that by doing Pk Fire it over and overf again. In fact, any projectie could just do just that...
Regardless, indeed that it will stall, so I agree on banning it or just not face the guy
to Gmoney:
Your to professional and honest when you play, so I doubt you'll be doing this
?
on the note side:
Lucas is powerful against MK...why? Just ask Captain Crunsh >: ). Of course, that was only once but it can happen again.
Let just stop johning and start using our heat, playing smart and plan a strategy on an opponent is the key on winning.
Drink cup of coffee"
Ha...
amazing...my conclusion that is going to be banned no matter where you look at it. Just save the move for a DBZ type smash while we at it. Let not forget that there Sudden Death, now if I am correct, regardless after the SD, the lowes percent win...so all you have to od is counter it with a camp techinuqe...lucas could do jsut that by doing Pk Fire it over and overf again. In fact, any projectie could just do just that...
Regardless, indeed that it will stall, so I agree on banning it or just not face the guy
to Gmoney:
Your to professional and honest when you play, so I doubt you'll be doing this
?on the note side:
Lucas is powerful against MK...why? Just ask Captain Crunsh >: ). Of course, that was only once but it can happen again.
Let just stop johning and start using our heat, playing smart and plan a strategy on an opponent is the key on winning.
Gmoney
Smash Ace
Action*******, you guessed right (and thanks LOL). I can't even do this garbs reliably (you need to be a pro at jacking off to be good at this) and I wouldn't even if I could. At most, I might show off a bit between stocks or something. This should be banned. I mean, it's going to be a soft ban if anything, but I'd assume most of the community won't be ***s. It's all good anyways because Frames and Fenrir got this down. Anyone using it to stall (its only current use) will just get punished in varying degrees.
By the way, how's PR?
By the way, how's PR?
GDX
Smash Hero
those are after fast, good sir
that is, if PR = power rankings. if they dont, i have no idea wtf you're talking about
imma test that throwing a banana thing to get them out of it, and see if its true, but i higly doubt it is
nevershootme
Smash Master
So i was messing around with it today with human players... it's great as a mind game to move around and confuse your opponent. but as for stalling, you can't really stall for great lengths.. I was still able to hold it for 3 sec average.
I'll get back to the banana theory gdx, unless you've already done your experiment.
I'll get back to the banana theory gdx, unless you've already done your experiment.
McRib
Smash Journeyman
It will most likely get banned eventually, but i think it would be pretty sweet to actually see someone use this so called tactic intelligently rather than to just stall the match.
actionblackbird
Smash Journeyman
Gmoney: I'll be back next Saturday! and enjoying my self
DragonX: Thats Puerto Rico ^^; not power rankings lol.
and yup, were all too professional on using such cheats...lets give an example hmm??
We all know that LUcas Leg lock cheats, but is hard to pull off. You don't see me doing it even though I want to. Speaking of such, I master it already thanks to Galeon gah.
on the note side
I am going ot put "Godot from phenix wright* av...but I have to do it at home
why godot? because he's a professional! :D
DragonX: Thats Puerto Rico ^^; not power rankings lol.
and yup, were all too professional on using such cheats...lets give an example hmm??
We all know that LUcas Leg lock cheats, but is hard to pull off. You don't see me doing it even though I want to. Speaking of such, I master it already thanks to Galeon gah.
on the note side
I am going ot put "Godot from phenix wright* av...but I have to do it at home
why godot? because he's a professional! :D
GDX
Smash Hero
StripesOrBars
Smash Master
Nah this won't be banned.
MK has to come out of it eventually.
And the average human can only do it for like 20 seconds.
It's like wobbling, but instead of not getting grabbed, you have to not lose a stock vs MK.
Like I said if anything MK could be banned as a whole if this is taken to another level.
MK has to come out of it eventually.
And the average human can only do it for like 20 seconds.
It's like wobbling, but instead of not getting grabbed, you have to not lose a stock vs MK.
Like I said if anything MK could be banned as a whole if this is taken to another level.
Master Raven
Smash Master
There's no reason to ban MK just for the tech. Just ban the tech itself.
SynikaL
Smash Lord
Wow, people are actually talking about banning characters? That's laughable, especially considering there is little empirical data on a community standard level to make such an absurd suggestion. Banning a character should always be an extreme and final resort.
But what do I know? I don't play this silly game.
-Kye
But what do I know? I don't play this silly game.
-Kye
Foda
Smash Apprentice
I tried this and in the matter of one or two tries was able to hold it for around 30 seconds... I want to see an MK win a sudden death with this lmao
as if MK wasn't overpowered enough
as if MK wasn't overpowered enough
McRib
Smash Journeyman
Show me your skills!!! 30 seconds is a pretty long time, but if you can really do this, more power to you
Clustercluck
Smash Rookie
I'm loving this, a bordlerline useless tech comes up and people start talking god tier. There's plenty of reasons to call MK op and imba without making 'em up. This technique isn't gonna do crap.
AfroQT
Smash Master
You all are fvckin stupid.
GDX
Smash Hero
so is roboky compared to baiken. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh snap
<3 you afro, no homo
seriously though, somwhat following equi's advice, we'd all be much happier if we all just mained diddy kong. I mean, whats funnier than watching two monkeys fight over a banana?
SynikaL
Smash Lord
AfroQT
Smash Master
roboky > baiken
dguy6789
Smash Lord
Ohhh!!!!!!!
harriettheguy
Smash Lord
........snap.
I capitalized, followin' the flow and DI of the situation, and did consecutive hits.
