Metagame Minute, DI Part 4, Out Now! 12/13/2011 UPDATE!

[Supreme Dirt]

Haha grim tuesday

I want to see a metagame minute on smash 64

This. Everyone knows 64 is the superior game.

 

[B.A.M.]

Forget the birds phantasm. Lets concentrate on things that matter. like Seibrik's DASC.

 

[MonkUnit]

dasc ?

 

[MK26]

dash attack shield cancel

 

[standardtoaster]

Forget the birds phantasm. Lets concentrate on things that matter. like Seibrik's DASC.

Action0x26
@1298C
AttackDash, 
-----------|START|--------------------------
Change Action - ID=0xE, Requirement=In Air, 
Change Action(Status)(EXT=1) - StatusID=0x277A, ID=0x38, IC-Basic[1011] <= IC-Basic[3130]
Additional Requirement - Requirement=Button Held, Variable=0x3, 
Additional Requirement - Requirement=On Ground, 
Additional Requirement - Requirement=Not Holding Item, 
Change Action(Status)(EXT=1) - StatusID=0x2779, ID=0x36, Requirement=Button Held, Variable=0x3, 
Additional Requirement - Requirement=On Ground, 
Additional Requirement - Requirement=Not Holding Item, 
Basic Variable Set - IC-Basic[23081], RA-Basic[0], 
Concurrent Infinite Loop - 0x9, @127A4, 
Change Action(Status)(EXT=1) - StatusID=0x276B, ID=0x30, Requirement=Button Pressed, Variable=0x0, 
Additional Requirement - Requirement=Not Unknown(0x2725), 
Additional Requirement - IC-Basic[1018] >= IC-Basic[3158]
Additional Requirement - Requirement=On Ground, 
Switch - 0x2710, IC-Basic[23188], 
Case - 0x1, 
Change Action(Status) - StatusID=0x2731, ID=0x12, Requirement=Animation End, 
Case - 0x0, 
Change Action(Status) - StatusID=0x2710, ID=0x0, Requirement=Animation End, 
Default Case
Change Action(Status) - StatusID=0x2710, ID=0x0, Requirement=Animation End, 
End Switch
Change Subaction - AttackDash
----------------------------|END|-----------

There's nothing that says you're allowed to shield cancel. D:

 

[Yikarur]

Opponent is close to the edge.
you dash attack into them and the pushback edgecancels your dash attack.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Oh, I know what you're talking about now. I do it all the time with Sheik's DACUS combined with "Edge Slip" and then edgeguard them, usually with a footstool.

 

[MonkUnit]

video of that plz

 

[Mister Eric]

video of that plz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S54mPByImY0

 

[choknater]

the dasc is too good lol

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Maybe I'll play Melee Bowser again for this. More shenanigans than ever before.

 

[NickRiddle]

Maybe I'll play Melee Bowser again for this. More shenanigans than ever before.

I already knew about that. :3
Clearly my Bowser was better than yours.
<3

 

[GimR]

Episode 7 - How to DI Against Falco - 5/16/2011

 

[Yikarur]

we've been waited for so long just to see this! :'(

xD

a lot of people will be disappointed but I like it

 

[stingers]

yeah, very informative, great vid =]

 

[Gamegenie222]

DAMN you GIMR, you gonna mess me up now.

 

[DeLux]

My/Stealth's SDI and my DI findings =\

 

[GimR]

My/Stealth's SDI and my DI findings =\

The Quarter Circle SDI has always been known but your right about the C-Stick part. I didn't say how it worked/explain why the c-stick part was important because I know you are gonna make a video explaining it

 

[Yikarur]

that C-Stick thing is mine

 

[Kinzer]

If you really want to get all nitty-gritty about it, it's all actually Nintendo's.

 

[DeLux]

I would think in theory, the Cstick theory would work better on the jab too. At least, that's how I do it lol
The only drawback being you might accidentally input an aerial

@ Yika: It was implied that you found that because my findings were derived off of your findings

 

[Sails]

I have discovered a way for majority of the cast to escape Falco's chain grab, even if Falco buffers the grab perfectly.

GIMR will upload it on the next metagame minute.

Sure enough, we got trolled.

 

[Yikarur]

I would think in theory, the Cstick theory would work better on the jab too. At least, that's how I do it lol
The only drawback being you might accidentally input an aerial

@ Yika: It was implied that you found that because my findings were derived off of your findings

but your derived findings were surely found by me a long time ago!!!
xP

and C-Stick for SDIing Falcos Jab is cool if you have a great upair, I get cool combos with ICs every now and then (uptilt, upair, to upair xD)

 

[NickRiddle]

I'm kinda sadfaced now.
I thought it would be something I didn't know again.

 

[Flayl]

Sure enough, we got trolled.

I theorized that it would be something like forcing yourself to trip, but then I remembered the thread DEHF made about switching to Ice Climbers.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Can Falco start a laser lock if the person who DI's the spike (i.e. the person getting grabbed) lands back onstage and fails to tech?

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Theoretically yes. But you should have ample time to roll or getup before he can begin it.

 

[GimR]

Sure enough, we got trolled.

I didn't even know DEHF posted this. Also he didn't know anything about this weeks episode. This is a hilarious coincidence

 

[san.]

MK or Snake seems fun.

I'm also interested in diagonal DI directions, especially since I've used it to DI many times before, but I haven't really experimented with it for kill moves other than sonic's fsmash.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

See if we can DI away from Luigi's kill set ups, make him look even worse than the negative hype for him.

 

[stingers]

whos a char with a lot of multihit moves?
maybe pikachu or something. I can imagine a lot of his common stuff being busted when people DI it right.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I would like to know Meta Knight's.

Ivysaur's whole moveset is either really hard-hitting or multi-hit.

 

[DEHF]

I didn't even know DEHF posted this. Also he didn't know anything about this weeks episode. This is a hilarious coincidence

I like to think of it as fate.

 

[GimR]

http://vgbootcamp.com/content.php?57-Help-us-Help-you

Check this out guys

thanks,

GimR

 

[B.A.M.]

I think itd be cool to do a section on covering ledge options. And why certain characters are exceptional at it. Or things like why certain characters are good at juggling i.e frame traps. I think itd be cool to encourage more of the community to figure out these things. Or just bring some of these lesser known ones to light.

Like that D3 swallow covering all snakes options. Something like that except more characters. Like covering a couple characters a week. I know itd seem like a daunting task but a ton of the top players of their mains already know what exactly makes that character potent in that area via ( frame traps + range). Itd definitely paint a clearer picture for people who watch top players duke it out and it seems arbitrary in their eyes. Also vs characters like MK, if people knew his frame traps and option out of them ( if any) then people would understand more what situations they should avoid etc. which i believe will boost the skill of the community.

Because honestly Im tired of people commenting on youtube or in post that so so is throwing out random crap, when its actually much more deeper than that. I mean these are the kind of things that make the game in my opinion more enjoyable, technical, and allows for better and longer follow ups.

Also ( obviously this is your decision) but I think the DI videos should just be written post on VGBC site. Itll save Metagame Minutes for more visually inclined information, and itll get people to your site. Having a site with properly organized info like that would be a definite incentive I think for people to get more involved over there.

 

[MK26]

Also ( obviously this is your decision) but I think the DI videos should just be written post on VGBC site. Itll save Metagame Minutes for more visually inclined information, and itll get people to your site. Having a site with properly organized info like that would be a definite incentive I think for people to get more involved over there.

I agree. How to DI should be a separate but related topic from Metagame Minute.

[/wantstolearncoolerstuffaboutbrawlthanhowtosmashthecontrolstick]

 

[Conviction]

Yeah the frametrap and etc. idea is amazing. Maybe even getting known character mains to guest star them would bring even more popularity to this.

 

[GimR]

Hey guys thanks for the ideas. I'll definitely keep them in mind. Unfortunately, because of running the live stream at Ktar I didn't have the time to do an episode this week. So you'll have to wait. Sorry :/

 

[MK26]

aww

can you at least tell us whats on deck?

 

[GimR]

Something d3 can do to mk.