Meta Knight's Revenge: The Official Match-Up Thread *Wario* -> GO

[OverLade]

Metaknight annihilates Kirby. It's disgusting. Kirby can't kill MK, and bair spam gets outspaced by fastfalled fairs, and UpB OOS. If you camp, he has 0 viable approaches, and nothing that can't be easily beaten on reaction.

I think Fox actually does decently against MK, but I think the most underrated matchup is Sheik. An edge sheik has that a lot of characters dont is the ability to kill MK out of a grab (and a very low percent).

I wouldn't mind discussing Sheik or Fox personally, as both characters lack representation anyway.

 

[Plairnkk]

tbh i dont think marth beats kirby, especially not to that degree.

just from watching chu vs neo i get a very different impression, but those are the only people ive ever really seen play it so i dont know, XD

 

[ksizl4life]

im not telling!!!!!!! lol

 

[Deoxyribonucleic_acid]

I have an honest question:

If Marth is supposed to beat Kirby somewhere in the neighborhood of 60:40-65:35, why am I to assume that Kirby does better than 60:40 against MK? Most of Marth's advantages are... Similar to MK's in that matchup.

-Both have more range and speed over Kirby
-Both can attempt to Juggle Kirby and have air traps against him
-Both have a fairly solid edgeguarding game against Kirby
-Both have fairly good shield pressure against him and their ground games keep up with Kirby's

I mean honestly it just seems weird that Marth would do about10 points better than MK in that particular matchup when I don't see what advantages Marth has over Kirby that MK cannot match in a similar fashion.

You bring up a good point.

We should do Kirby next

 

[OverLade]

We should do kirby just so people stop being idiots thinking he has a close matchup with MK.

 

[Nic64]

If we decided the next matchup based on that we'd have to do like 10 characters at once.

(including Fox whom we were just talking about)

 

[Affinity]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8186010&postcount=1693

 

[DMG]

tbh i dont think marth beats kirby, especially not to that degree.

just from watching chu vs neo i get a very different impression, but those are the only people ive ever really seen play it so i dont know, XD

Most Kirby players I have talked to think it's 60:40 at least for Marth. Having it push 65:35 doesn't seem unreasonable since it doesn't look like Kirby can do much to Marth except hope Marth opens himself up or misspaces that Fair or doesn't avoid that Fsmash.

Even if Marth was only 60:40, I still don't see what in parcular Kirby could do to MK that he couldn't do to Marth, or on the flip side what MK is incapable of doing that Marth is able to do.

im not telling!!!!!!! lol

Dang secrets!

 

[Cold Fusion]

You guys should discuss Jigglypuff next because the discussion won't last long at all.

 

[Deoxyribonucleic_acid]

You guys should discuss Jigglypuff next because the discussion won't last long at all.

All you need to do against jiggs is spam fairs and tilts. So easy to out-space. Jiggs is like 80:20, lawl

And when you attempt to use roll-out, we'll just nado you.

Yah, you're right that didn't take long. Now lets do Kirby please

 

[Affinity]

You guys should discuss Jigglypuff next because the discussion won't last long at all.

Yah, you're right that didn't take long. Now lets do Kirby please

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8186010&postcount=1693

 

[Cold Fusion]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8186010&postcount=1693

Ah, I did not look at that earlier.

 

[Snype]

I would like to ask some of you people who seriously play MK so can a few of you guys come to the Ness boards at this link http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=244140
so you can give in a some help for MK. and please don't trash Ness, we want to know if you have some help on this topic.

 

[Half-Split Soul]

Hello! Zelda boards just started analyzing all the aspects of Zelda + Metaknight team and we'd really appreciate if you could help us by giving your opinion. The discussion will be happening here:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=232505

 

[Karcist]

My best friend uses metaknight and wolf seems to be the only thing to beat him. Which is why I disagree with the 65:35 thing, 55:45 seems to make more sense.

 

[Cold Fusion]

My best friend uses metaknight and wolf seems to be the only thing to beat him. Which is why I disagree with the 65:35 thing, 55:45 seems to make more sense.

You have to remember that these ratios should only apply to the top level of play. It might be that the Meta Knight does not know the match-up.

 

[OverLade]

My best friend uses metaknight and wolf seems to be the only thing to beat him. Which is why I disagree with the 65:35 thing, 55:45 seems to make more sense.

Well MY friend uses Wolf and I 3 stock him every match so YOU'RE WRONG.

[/sarcasm]

 

[Affinity]

My best friend uses metaknight and wolf seems to be the only thing to beat him. Which is why I disagree with the 65:35 thing, 55:45 seems to make more sense.

EDIT: What Y264 said.

 

[ksizl4life]

you guys need to play antis wolf. its ridiculous. its taken games off me and m2k

 

[OverLade]

Anti has the ability to take games off anyone with any character apparently...

In tourney or in friendlies though?

 

[DMG]

Wolf?

I'd go Dedede.

 

[Max Ketchum]

On another note, DMG has inspired me to time people out with Wario. <3

 

[CaliburChamp]

Wolf?

I'd go Dedede.

DMG, what's the "gay" tip of the week?

 

[DMG]

Jesus Christ people... I'm PROUD you want to play gay like me and want to hear what new gay tip I have, but don't forget this is the MK boards.



Lol on a more serious note, my gay tip of the week is to always double blind first match. ALWAYS!

 

[OverLade]

My gay tip is always go MK first match.

 

[DMG]

Why go MK first match when you can put your cursor on a character, call for a Double Blind, and then pick MK? Much gayer IMO

 

[Cold Fusion]

EDIT: What Y264 said.

Hoe dare you misspell my NAME?! On a serious note, when will the match-up discussions resume?

 

[Deoxyribonucleic_acid]

My gay tip is always go MK first match.

MK is my only main, so I go MK every match.

 

[DMG]

MK is my only main, so I go MK every match.

You're ahead of the curve then.

 

[_umbra_]

same here, but I'm liking that double blind ****.

 

[OverLade]

Why go MK first match when you can put your cursor on a character, call for a Double Blind, and then pick MK? Much gayer IMO

Who was I to try to up one of the kings of gayness? You're absolutely right.

It's borderline ***gy lol, especially if you don't main MK.

 

[Tin Man]

Perhaps u guys should re discuss Kirby next because Kirby used to go 55-45 with MK, I wanna know if that is still true or if things have changed. Is there another counter MK option, makes good sense to find out right?

 

[Jupz]

Kirby does horribly against MK Imo.

 

[DMG]

Kirby is probably 6/4. Marth vs Kirby used to be thought as 65:35, but I think 6/4 for both of them seems more accurate.

 

[Tero.]

Perhaps u guys should re discuss Kirby next because Kirby used to go 55-45 with MK, I wanna know if that is still true or if things have changed. Is there another counter MK option, makes good sense to find out right?

lol Kirby doesn't go even with MK, 60:40 is far more reasonable.

DMG you should totally make a topic for your "gay tips of the day" (and then send me the link).

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kirby is probably 6/4. Marth vs Kirby used to be thought as 65:35, but I think 6/4 for both of them seems more accurate.

Kirby vs Marth is more like 55/45 or 5/5.
MK vs Kirby is 6/4 though.

 

[DMG]

5/5? Eww IDK. Upb OOS ***** anything Kirby does in the air, Dtilt and Dancing Blade take care of most of the ground stuff.

 

[slikvik]

Chus kirby is 5/5 with mk and marth

 

[DMG]

Chus kirby is 5/5 with mk and marth

My Wario is 5/5 or better against Marth too.

lol.

 

[ksizl4life]

Chus kirby is 5/5 with mk and marth

idk man. shadow and m2k seemed to **** him if u go all aggro.