Meta Knight Q&A Thread

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Ok... at first glance that question seems sort of pointless to ask. Of course there are instances where rolling is useful. By rolling backwards away from people you get invicibility frames for like 10-15 frames (i forget the data), and you get excellent spacing. Probably the best defensive thing you can do. Abusing, however, will get you punished (as any move that is abused :/)

But, if you are asking if rolling for an approach is useful, then I would say in very rare circumstances. For example, if Falco spams ground lasers it is harder (imo) to PS them all compared to if he just SHL/SHDL camps. Rolling through that grounded laser spam is faster than aerial approaches with MK. Also, rolling backwards against lucarios aura sphere will cause you to get hit.

 

[smasher01]

is rolling ever useful?

i notice m2k rolled to approach v ally's snake.

like what jups said its a good mixup lets say your opponent has you cornered buy like the edge
you might be able to roll behind them to get away im not saying its always good to roll behind them but if your mixing it up with like jumping away, dodging, grabing the edge, going on offence, or shielding it keep them guessing and gives you more options. Just dont get in the habit of doing the same thing over and over cuz that how you get *****.

 

[earla]

how do you punish wolf's side b recovery?

tips on gimping wolf?

 

[Jupz]

Lol, soo many questions by earl. Nah its cool tho.

Don't verse wolfs often, but I think side B is pretty hard to punish. Try edgehog it. Force him to upB and edgehog or gimp with dairs and invincible nairs.

 

[Jakebudden]

Edit: Ignore

 

[GowerewoG]

What maps should an MK try to fight Marth on? (at least 2 good maps plz :D :D :D)

 

[Keen]

What maps should an MK try to fight Marth on? (at least 2 good maps plz :D :D :D)

Marth is pretty decent on most stages but if CPing a Marth I'd go with:


Rainbow Cruise
Luigi's Mansion
Halberd


Hope this helps : )

 

[etecoon]

I'd have to disagree with halberd, you can shark the stage yes but he has ways to star KO you which will get you killed early on that stage, if you want to use that approach go to delfino IMO

also I would think frigate orpheon should be good for exposing his recovery

 

[smasher01]

But frigate orpheon has a low ceiling too go to brinstar

 

[earla]

can you punish wolfs side b as they recover?

jupz, if you grab the edge wolf will just side b/double side b back onto the stage.

does mk's last hit of the f-tilt beat mk's fair?

does mk's d-tilt out range marths d-tilt/options?

what are good counterpick stages to bring pit to?

if gaw is d-tilt spam edge guarding you, how do you get back on?

if gaw is dair spamming near edge, what is best option to get back on?

if you up b every gaw approach and fast fall it with down b immediately, can gaw punish you if they shield it?

cheers

 

[GowerewoG]

sounds kinda like delfino/RC is a good bet against marth? thanks!

appreciate the help :3

 

[Kaffei]

sounds kinda like delfino/RC is a good bet against marth? thanks!

appreciate the help :3

Pick Brinstar.

 

[Jupz]

can you punish wolfs side b as they recover?

IDK, it can be hard though.

jupz, if you grab the edge wolf will just side b/double side b back onto the stage.

thats when you punish the ending lag.

does mk's last hit of the f-tilt beat mk's fair?

yes

does mk's d-tilt out range marths d-tilt/options?

yes

what are good counterpick stages to bring pit to?

brinstar, delfino, luigis

if gaw is d-tilt spam edge guarding you, how do you get back on?

ledge attack

if gaw is dair spamming near edge, what is best option to get back on?

take your time, fair or nado at the right time.

if you up b every gaw approach and fast fall it with down b immediately, can gaw punish you if they shield it?

yes but its harder

cheers

answers in green

 

[earla]

thanks.

1. when DK has his punch charged. what are some tips on avoiding it as it can KO very early.

 

[Jupz]

Don't do attacks that can be easily punished, play calm, play SAFE AND SMART. Remember it has super armour.

 

[earla]

does the last hit of mk's f-tilt beat marths fair?

 

[theunabletable]

Now I understand the snake match-up fully, and I am a pretty legit player from the Midwest. I'm not amazing or anything but I have some-what made a name for myself here, Razor is my tag. I know how to take care of super agro snakes that get in my face, and I know how to finish snake off if he is offstage or even in the air.

The snake I play has just really figured out how to make it so I can't do anything. He will pull a grenade cook it for 3 seconds then throw it, as he pulls out another. So the ENTIRE match if he is grounded at least he has a grenade in his hand. Now if I approach him while that grenade is cooking he just will grab me or roll away so the grenade explodes as its time expires. So throws in his face don't really consistently work and you obviously don't want to just attack because either just me or we both get blown up, and going hit for hit with a snake is never a good idea. If I come in from the air with the 45 degree dairs he will do the back throw after he pulls the grenade (the one where he just tosses it in the air) then an in place mortar before rolling back and continuing the process. He used to do this mixed with aggressive snake and that is how I could beat him, but now he just employs this super camp strategy.

MiniTroika/Roka showed me this weekend that Dtilt works great in this situation.

It makes him drop the grenade and doesn't blow up the grenade. If he trys to attack you he'll pick up the grenade, which is laggy and allows you to punish (possibly with an uthrow insta-KO). If he trys to grab you, then... well he's running straight at an MK with no grenade in hand and attempting to grab? That shouldn't go well

He's pretty much forced to run back, I think.

 

[GowerewoG]

i understand some of the best practice you can do is play against other good players in tournament format...

but what are some good ways to practice when flying solo?

 

[K@0S]

Best way to juggle Wario ? Should I follow him in the air or wait him on the ground and punish on landing ?

 

[sovietzero]

GnW Mk matchup any suggestions?

 

[Master Raven]

@GowerewoG: Wifi or offline friendlies if there's anyone nearby
@sovietzero: Watch Havok vs UTD Zac.

 

[sovietzero]

@GowerewoG: Wifi or offline friendlies if there's anyone nearby
@sovietzero: Watch Havok vs UTD Zac.

I cant find that video on youtube you have a link?call me soviet btw.

 

[Master Raven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzexdyBAIBQ

Apparently there's no space in UTDZac so... my bad.

 

[Toronto Joe]

speaking of spacing...how do you space mks glide attack so your just out of sheildgrab range?

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

fly REALLY close to the ground and hit them with the tip
if they try to shieldgrab you you can d-smash them in teh face

 

[Kaffei]

What should I say if people john about Tornado

 

[smasher01]

say "get good scrub" than laugh lol

 

[earla]

anyone got some good vids to learn from v:

dk, wolf, gaw, pit, marth

that aren't m2k.

links plz, cheers

does mk's dair beat dk's up tilt? if not, do you bait it then dair after it?

 

[sovietzero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzexdyBAIBQ

Apparently there's no space in UTDZac so... my bad.

lol this is pretty much an example of what not to do. fail on utd zac's part.

 

[sovietzero]

What should I say if people john about Tornado

Just start yelling johns until he rage quits.

 

[GowerewoG]

what map do i ban vs a marth and vs a snake?

also, any better way to practice alone other than wifi...? i cant stand wi-fi...

 

[Master Raven]

Ban Halberd on Snake. I dunno about Marth...

And if you really can't find anyone nearby and you don't want to wi-fi, then unfortunately your best resort would be computers I guess lol.

 

[GowerewoG]

sorry to ask another question so soon...

but why to G&W such a good partner for MK? Heard alot of people say he is. lol probably a post about it somewhere else too but didnt catch it.

 

[theunabletable]

^Well I know G&W has a trick with MK where MK up-throws, then G&W up-Bs right as MK is coming down from the up-throw, and it pushes him up which causes up-throw to kill a lot earlier.

 

[smasher01]

G@w smashes kill low

 

[earla]

can you up b combo break marth's dancing blade?

 

[Jar'd]

Not if you're in the middle of it. But I'm pretty sure you can up b or nair out of shield right after the 3rd hit of side b on your shield.

 

[theunabletable]

I also have a question.

Why is Halberd so good against MK as Snake, and why is it better to ban Halberd instead of, say, FD?

 

[Jar'd]

Because halberd has a really low ceiling, Snake can kill MK really easy with all his vertical kill moves, while MK doesn't have that many options for killing off the top.

 

[Shadow 111]

can you up b combo break marth's dancing blade?

if you DI up and away from the hits correctly, you can get in an aerial up b.