Meta Knight Q&A Thread

[Kitamerby]

sorry to ask another question so soon...

but why to G&W such a good partner for MK? Heard alot of people say he is. lol probably a post about it somewhere else too but didnt catch it.

Anyone teams well with GnW.

Dthrow/grab release > GnW charged smash kills at ridiculous %s.

 

[earla]

how do you punish dk's f-tilt spaced perfectly?

what grab releases does mk have on ness?

does mk's down b attack have more knockback then nado's last hit?

what other move would have similar knockback to mk's down b attack?

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

spaced perfectly doesnt matter. just buffer a f-tilt OOS

buffered dash grab, d-smash, f-tilt, d-tilt maybe fair

yes but why ever use it???

uh...metas down b. it has pretty crap knockback for an attack thats so hard to hit with.

 

[GowerewoG]

k enough marth questions from me.

Next is Toon Link. What do I ban, Where do I take him.

Thanks :3

 

[hojunc]

Game & Watches Down A (In the Air) The Key Hits Down, I block and then after, I can't hit him faster enough, what should I do?
Also, how do I hit people like R.O.B that float up up in the air, I can't really reach them.

 

[Master Raven]

If you're going to punish his Dair OOS, use UpB or a grab (if you're really really close). You can also just Utilt him, since it flat out beats Dair. Uair also works, but it's pretty hard to do it without trading hits, so I wouldn't recommend it.

 

[earla]

tips on wolf matchup?

 

[smasher01]

Game & Watches Down A (In the Air) The Key Hits Down, I block and then after, I can't hit him faster enough, what should I do?
Also, how do I hit people like R.O.B that float up up in the air, I can't really reach them.

you can also D-air OOS

 

[Kaffei]

What is the worst move to use OoS

 

[Jupz]

What is the worst move to use OoS

what a ******** question. But I guess down B.

 

[Kaffei]

what a ******** question. But I guess down B.

Lmao. I thought it was Fsmash.

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

no, because at least if they spotdodge they get hit. down-b is NEVER the option to attack EVER
jab is pretty bad too

 

[theunabletable]

^I can imagine down-b might be a good mix-up to throw out once... like ever...

And you can d-smash out of jab. I mean it's an awful jab, but it can lead to a d-smash, refreshes your other moves, and deals some damage.

Neither are good moves at all, but you can throw it out there to surprise someone and if you only use it once you'll usually catch them off guard and get a free hit.

I also have a question. Why is the IDC banned in its entirety? Of course it's banned for stalling, but doesn't the "no stalling" rule pretty much cover that? It's not that good, but, you know, I'd like the actual option to use it instead of it getting completely banned for stalling, when stalling is already banned...

 

[Kitamerby]

What is the worst move to use OoS

Glide attack.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

I also have a question. Why is the IDC banned in its entirety? Of course it's banned for stalling, but doesn't the "no stalling" rule pretty much cover that? It's not that good, but, you know, I'd like the actual option to use it instead of it getting completely banned for stalling, when stalling is already banned...

I'm pretty sure you can get away with using it for like5sec without anyone *****ing.

Its one of those rules that isnt classified well but no one is really gonna use it to stall anyway.

 

[OmniOstrich]

^I can imagine down-b might be a good mix-up to throw out once... like ever...

And you can d-smash out of jab. I mean it's an awful jab, but it can lead to a d-smash, refreshes your other moves, and deals some damage.

Neither are good moves at all, but you can throw it out there to surprise someone and if you only use it once you'll usually catch them off guard and get a free hit.

I also have a question. Why is the IDC banned in its entirety? Of course it's banned for stalling, but doesn't the "no stalling" rule pretty much cover that? It's not that good, but, you know, I'd like the actual option to use it instead of it getting completely banned for stalling, when stalling is already banned...

Because it would make all of MK's hardest (lol) matchups disappear.

IC's blizzard? nah we just cape behind you
Diddy's bananas?
Snake's explosives?
Falco's lasers?

Plus no matter what you do or say people will stretch the stalling rule(s) and at major tournaments it is specifically stated what will be considered stalling. If its just 'TO is law' then no matter the decision, in a high level high stakes match there will be huge backlash amongst the community and we do not need that.

 

[theunabletable]

^They banned stalling with the Peach Bomber against a wall in Melee, but didn't ban hitting that wall altogether, and we never saw stalling problems then.

 

[earla]

best option for approaching diddy when they have their 2 banana's set up?

anyone got links to some good videos illustraiting how to play against diddy?

if a snake player is literally sitting there and grenade camping how do you approach?

cheers

 

[SSBA]

snake. wat i usually do against my neighbor who mains as snake (but isnt all that good) is wither cape, or tonado, or dash then flip in to a shuttle loop and hit the glide shift.
maybe a little m2k combo.
hope it helps, all though it porlly dosnt

 

[Kaffei]

snake. wat i usually do against my neighbor who mains as snake (but isnt all that good) is wither cape, or tonado, or dash then flip in to a shuttle loop and hit the glide shift.
maybe a little m2k combo.
hope it helps, all though it porlly dosnt

What is an M2K combo

 

[Toronto Joe]

i think its glide attack to nair to ftilt...idk xD

 

[smasher01]

What is an M2K combo

u-air to nado? idk he invented everything

 

[TheMike]

What Toronto Joe said. Glide Attack > Nair > Ftilt.

 

[smasher01]

how much damage does it do? i think i would rather glide attack to u-air combos n stuff.

 

[Master Raven]

I usually prefer grabbing instead of ftilting for the M2K combo.

 

[Pivot]

I have a question, i really need help. I have 3 mains. MK, Sonic, And Marth. Are these good mains? Or does someone think that if i play as a slow charecter that does high damage like marth (opposite of my other main meta) then would it effect my playing with meta? Like if im all used to slow, and i use meta, will that urt my chances? Hope not....but i could use some oppionions.

Thanks :D

-C0dE

 

[Kaffei]

I have a question, i really need help. I have 3 mains. MK, Sonic, And Marth. Are these good mains? Or does someone think that if i play as a slow charecter that does high damage like marth (opposite of my other main meta) then would it effect my playing with meta? Like if im all used to slow, and i use meta, will that urt my chances? Hope not....but i could use some oppionions.

Thanks :D

-C0dE

Marth is not slow. MK is good. So is Marth. Sonic not so much.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

For reference dmbrandon invented u-air x5 to tornado.

Just saying.

 

[Pep1to]

best european MKs are:
Kaos, Jumpman, reaper, me
maybe I missed someone

Winning international tournaments in europe = Kaos

Placing top 3 in international tournaments = Me

Placing top 7 and below = Reaper, U and Jumpman.

I think we got a clear picture of the Mks in europe dont u think?

 

[Staco]

A tourney with mostly spain and some french people + you attending isnt as international as for example TSL4 or CiB.
Also people told me that you didnt deserve the 3rd place at that tourney and I didnt knew if you used MK or another character. (probably because of the 2nd point I didnt list you)
Its also funny that you try to make a MK ranking of MKs attending maybe one tourney each. (and they werent attending the same tourneys; the tourneys always got different players in it)

And who actually cares?
M2K would still at least 2 stock all of us in MK Dittos. :/

I didnt know that you are that self biased pepito.

 

[Kaffei]

I'm having trouble approaching characters in general (yes that's how fail I am) because I'm so used to baiting with projectiles as Toon Link. What should I do?

 

[Pep1to]

A tourney with mostly spain and some french people + you attending isnt as international as for example TSL4 or CiB.
Also people told me that you didnt deserve the 3rd place at that tourney and I didnt knew if you used MK or another character. (probably because of the 2nd point I didnt list you)
Its also funny that you try to make a MK ranking of MKs attending maybe one tourney each. (and they werent attending the same tourneys; the tourneys always got different players in it)

And who actually cares?
M2K would still at least 2 stock all of us in MK Dittos. :/

I didnt know that you are that self biased pepito.

Staco, u tried to make a MK ranking first and i dont know if u based it on friendlies or something else, but not by tourney placings for sure. no MKs besides Kaos where in the top 10 in TSL4 so thats why i didnt took that tourney in mind. highest placed MK besides Kaos in international tournaments and atleast 60 + attendes was reaper who placed 7th.

I dont give a **** if ppl say i didnt deserve that 3th placing. With luck or unluck i did place 3th, ppl saying i didnt deserve that spot are prolly johners. Dude if u heard the first point then hell, u had to know the char i used the most =/, but if u didnt know, now u do.

Whats the difference of MKs attending all the same tourney and some place high then Mks attending different tournaments and place high? still dittos doesnt prove ****, just that ur better in that matchup. for example if reaper beats u in MK dittos and u still place better than him, i would take in mind ur placing, not the ditto matches.

I actually dont care of stuff like "X person is the best with X character" but not putting me in that top 5 even tought i place/d better then all Mks besides Kaos, is low. U know that i dont like to discuss and ****, but this was too much. If im lying or putting placings wrong, correct me. Let me suggest u to speak on MSN and not here in the future.

Lol true, but when will all MKs in EU face M2K =(, M2K gotta come to EU.

Its all good, just wanted to point that out, no needing of getting mad or anything.

 

[Staco]

The ranking I made isnt in any special order (except Kaos, hes first for sure; btw reaper placed 2nd at Smack).
And I also told that I maybe forgot someone, I just mentioned all the MKs which placed at least top 10 in a big or placed multiple times in the top 10 at mid events.
Since you quitted smash for 1/2? of a year or sth. like that I just forgot you.
Nothing to actually care about, you could just have remembered me, then I would have changed my list.

And of course there is a difference about the tourneys.
For example:
You cant say Kaos is as good as M2K, just because he wins most of the big tourneys in europe.

But yeah, we really should talk about MSN and I know that you are a really good player (I just said what some players at the spain tourney told me :/ placing matters not the thoughts of people (I also think that I could have placed better at CiB and failed because of my lag of tourney experience, but I have to prove it, my opinion wont really matter))

 

[Palpi]

I agree with m2k 2 stocking you in mk dittos.

It is by far his best MU imo.

 

[Kaffei]

I'm having trouble approaching characters in general (yes that's how fail I am) because I'm so used to baiting with projectiles as Toon Link. What should I do?

 

[Pep1to]

IMO > M2K would beat all of us but after i saw armada place 2th at Genesis after many americans saying that armada wouldt place even top 10, I would like to wait and see.

 

[theunabletable]

^A lot of people thought Armada would get top 3, but no one expected him to **** like he did (and he still lost).

And Melee =/= Brawl... just sayin'.

Although I don't think I've ever seen Kaos play; I'll have to look up some of his matches.

 

[Kaffei]

I thought this was a MK Question/Answer thread. No one is answering my questions. Am I supposed to fair or dair or what

 

[theunabletable]

^Depends on the matchup.

Say if you're playing Olimar you're going to be spacing with DAir and stuff.

Whereas if you're playing someone without uber range you can space with FAir and Dtilt and Ftilt and stuff...

Or atleast I think.

 

[Kaffei]

^Depends on the matchup.

Say if you're playing Olimar you're going to be spacing with DAir and stuff.

Whereas if you're playing someone without uber range you can space with FAir and Dtilt and Ftilt and stuff...

Or atleast I think.

lol, alright. That makes sense. Thanks. I'll look into the MU threads.


Another question. Does Shuttle Loop have some kind of sweet spot? M2K kills Jcav in this vid at like 30 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z__yVF0orh0

at 80%. I dont get it.