Melbourne Brawl | STIGMA-B for 2010 yes or no?

[Nixernator]

Most people in melb play for fun anyway I'm not sure how many would actually want the money (and think they are a chance) so much as to change mains. Maybe one or two but we have brilliant low tier mains who will inspire other players.
Edit:

make sure to bring pillows and pyjamas for the bed time story at the monthly lol

I know I will =D.

 

[Shaya]

Pot will go 60/30/10 because that makes the most sense but Alfa made an enormous point about people changing their mains because they would like to give themselves more of a chance at winning, I truly hope you guys don't fall into that

So the person who just 'likes' Meta Knight the most by chance won't be looked down, but applauded for his ability to win tournaments, yet the guy who just happens to like .... Ganondorf, will be considered the noob for eternity; giving his money to the metaknight main who just happens to like meta knight, but if HE himself ever decides to use META KNIGHT, he's a god AWEFUL person.

Gotta remember Jei, rules and tournaments are meant to promote competitiveness, and however unfortunate it may be, TIERS exist, and permeating towards better characters is natural progression in a competitive environment.

 

[Dekar289]

100% agree, though you still suck shaya <3

 

[Ledge_g2]

I agree with shaya too.

Pot will only bring happiness =D.

umm i mean for the competitive scene

 

[luke_atyeo]

except that would never happen, the ganon would get sick of the meta knight main and ganon stomp him in RL. gg kid, your headaspolde.

its true though, some people give me the whole, your a noob snake is mad hax.
and snake is mad hax but he takes a little bit of thinking to use, and I started maining him the day I got the game from japan back when everyone though he was dog****.

 

[earla]

A' is onto it. 80/20 the pot

 

[Browny]

japanese players were too busy trying to determine which characters were best by which has the most auto-canceallable aerials so they could spam them all day and pretend brawl was fast LOL

 

[Shaya]

Snake is rate broken and is a complete menace to brawl competitiveness, almost as bad as Meta Knight. Luke can proclaim Snake takes smart thinking all he likes, as he gets like 40%+ from every grab due to awesome pivot boosts, and his pivot grab range is excessively large, and in charge, and he has grenades, and ftilt that outranges everyone, gg.

I SAY WE BAN EVERYONE WHO'S IN S TIER NEXT TIER LIST, OKAY GUYS?

 

[Vermy]

Snake is rate broken and is a complete menace to brawl competitiveness, almost as bad as Meta Knight. Luke can proclaim Snake takes smart thinking all he likes, as he gets like 40%+ from every grab due to awesome pivot boosts, and his pivot grab range is excessively large, and in charge, and he has grenades, and ftilt that outranges everyone, gg.

I SAY WE BAN EVERYONE WHO'S IN S TIER NEXT TIER LIST, OKAY GUYS?

Man speaks truth.

 

[luke_atyeo]

Snake is rate broken and is a complete menace to brawl competitiveness, almost as bad as Meta Knight. Luke can proclaim Snake takes smart thinking all he likes, as he gets like 40%+ from every grab due to awesome pivot boosts, and his pivot grab range is excessively large, and in charge, and he has grenades, and ftilt that outranges everyone, gg.

I SAY WE BAN EVERYONE WHO'S IN S TIER NEXT TIER LIST, OKAY GUYS?

nah you just dont think whiner.
everybody's seen ally play, he doesnt spam or use many AT's at all, its just clever traps and nade placement.

 

[C~Dog]

oh guys, yeah i totally forgot, jei told me to tell you all that mk and snake are banned for stigma. totally. you guys. for serious.

 

[Attila_]

theres a thread in tactical discussion atm talking about who the characters with the highest learning curve are. snake is a generally excepted number 1. anyone can learn to use (f)tilts, thats not hard, but what happens when your opponents learns to get around them? approaching projectile users is hard when youre that slow and dont have any fast aerials. camping with nades is way more difficult than anyone gives it credit for, cause they dont even have knockback, let alone do damage for 3 seconds. and given the crapness of his glidetoss and slowness of his item throw, there are other characters in the game whod use them much better.

im not saying snakes bad, cause i know hes not. im saying everyone can use a nooby snake, but a good snake is waaaaaay harder to use than anyone here gives it credit for.

 

[luke_atyeo]

I agree, a good snake needs to learn to think ahead, plan where your explosives are gonna be and where you opponent is going to be, learn to use them to Shepard your opponent where you want them, learn to get around snakes terrible off edge game and learn to get out of juggles.

stuff like that is harder then it sounds, ally makes nade traps look so easy but they are **** hard on good people.

 

[Tanman]

approaching projectile users is hard when youre that slow

but a good snake is waaaaaay harder to use than anyone here gives it credit for.

Just crawl - Or well timed snake dash.

But I kid, I know that won't work against every character (Pikachu, Olimar, Pit...) and I will admit, Snake DOES have a decent learning curve - But there's no denying that he's second to the top for a reason. The initial curve might be steeper then most, but pushing your game that extra step up is easier because he actually has the potential to do so compared to other characters.

In Short, a Good Snake isn't hard. A great Snake is tough - but developing beyond that is easier compared to the rest of the cast once you reach it.

 

[Siyro]

approaching projectile users is hard when youre that slow and dont have any fast aerials.

Thats True, but even so if you know what your doing it can be easy enough. I once got to a Pit no problem with a series of airdodges and sidesteps, looked awesome.

 

[adultlink18]

Team? Anyone? Plz? Plus too get a free entry thingy for singles do i need too bring both a tv and wii? Or could i just bring a wii too get the special offer?

 

[Attila_]

@tanman: read the thread before you buff my claims

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=234203

and for the record, you cant crawl under arrows, bananas, peanuts, pikmin, wolf's laser, mario's fireball, bowser/charizards flame, ivysaur's leaf, pikachu's electricity, lucario's auro sphere and rob's laser/gyro (im sure i left a few out), which make up the majority of projectiles in the game. read the boards and youll see snake normally has to try and force an approach from these characters, cause approaching is really really difficult. the problem is, so is nade camping.

@siyro: then you played a noob pit. he should charge, aim and loop arrows, which whoever you versed obviously didnt.

 

[Ugly Man]

Thats True, but even so if you know what your doing it can be easy enough. I once got to a Pit no problem with a series of airdodges and sidesteps, looked awesome.

Do that against Jei and I'll be impressed.

Then try to do it while playing as Ganondorf and feel the agony that is being shot in the foot.

 

[C~Dog]

Thats True, but even so if you know what your doing it can be easy enough. I once got to a Pit no problem with a series of airdodges and sidesteps, looked awesome.

See if i was fox i wouldve just shined his arrows back at him.

 

[Dekar289]

tibs and attila could win with like, lucas, they have teh skills <3

 

[Devil.]

tibs and attila could win with like, lucas, they have teh skills <3

Prove it!


JK you guys are pro's

 

[Attila_]

ive already said that once ive won a tourny, im gonna use lucas only in the next tourny i play. reckon id still make top 5 lol

 

[Timic83]

roooar

monthly tomorowz will be epic

i will brings my usb hard drive to get melty blood
it also has guilty gear, street fihter 3 and marvel vs capcom 2 if anyone wants to play that

 

[tibs7]

yeah ill be using snake tomorrow (unless cobalt comes), just to prove that he is massively broken and that a nooby snake can still do reeeeeaaaaaallllyyy well.

 

[Alfa]

40:20:10 does not = 100

I was talking about money, not percentage as it seems to be considered now, sorry for the mistake. Although 40%:20%:10%, leaves 30% for organisers of Tourney (Haydino pointed this out when I saw him today)

@Jezza: Try and get Rice Climbers to come, he needs more Brawl practice against someone other than myself/Haydino/Mario Frek.

Seeya guys, I'm gonna go scout the boards for any new stuff that may have just popped up in the hope it will give me some sort of advantage.

 

[Tanman]

@tanman: read the thread before you buff my claims

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=234203

and for the record, you cant crawl under arrows, bananas, peanuts, pikmin, wolf's laser, mario's fireball, bowser/charizards flame, ivysaur's leaf, pikachu's electricity, lucario's auro sphere and rob's laser/gyro (im sure i left a few out), which make up the majority of projectiles in the game. read the boards and youll see snake normally has to try and force an approach from these characters, cause approaching is really really difficult. the problem is, so is nade camping.

Read what I said: 'I know that won't work against every character' Some of those you listed are pretty particular though/Negligible - Even Snake should be able to get past a 'zard flame or Bowser breath/Throw a nade, and the aura sphere only counts when it's charged...

I'm not saying he's not got a hard Learning curve, I know he does - But what I'm saying is, at the HIGHEST level of play, it's easier for him than alot of the other members of the cast, due to HAVING that potential to be at that level.

Plus 'Good' 'Great' Etc. are all very generalised terms. I'd say my Snake is 'Good' but does he do any proper 'nade camping? No. He plays like my Sonic - Down throw tech chases and dash attacks. Would he beat a Great Snake? Possibly. A Pro one? Doubtful. An actual objective measurement would need to be used to calculate the worth of one's Snake, before this discussion would actually have any merit.

It all depends how much/what kind of a learning curve we're speaking of, and the type of player. An aggressive player will have a hard time 'learning' a defensive character, and vice versa, since it goes against instincts. Arguably, some AT's are alot harder than others, so do we measure by them? Or are we measuring style of play? Overall? And to what level of play? Decent? Competitive? Pro competitive? Perfect Competitive? The steepness varies for all, but at Pro/Perfect level play, if you're at that level, learning characters shouldn't be a problem at all.

And as far as I can tell, the topic's a debate - No clearly defined list, although there's general consensus on certain characters, Snake, Ice Climbers, Diddy... In terms of quantifiable AT's and mindgames though, Yes, Snake rates highly; so yes, he could very well be the 'steepest' learning curve - but that's still only to a point. Throw in Vs. Character, and it's a whole new board game.

In short, I don't want to do my Uni essay, so I wasted everyone's time writing through my thought processes - Yay! Oh, and this is no way a hate on you/Snake players - I respect your skill, and have no doubt it took a decent amount of effort to get there.

 

[Vermy]

@Timic:
GIVE ME GG AND MVC2!
I'll give you Melty in exchange.

As for the Snake discussion I agree with both sides. As Cobalt has said, "pick up Snake and ftilt your way to victory". But laying traps is difficult. They're relatively easy for your opponent to get around if they don't panic, and take time and skill to place them all in synch with each other. A lot of characters have the tools to take nades and mines out of the equation. C4 is amazing tho. But snakes nade options are not as bad as you say. Considering his options, they're better off used defensively and as traps than say, toon/links bombs. That being said, Snakes POTENTIAL, not scrub game is amazing. And I can see him eventually taking away MKs #1 spot on the tier list. MK is easy to just pick up and win, Snake is not.

Tomorrow! Woot! Myself and Ugly will be there to set up, and I'll also be bringing my tunes. XD
Anime Theme Songs + Swedish Death Metal + Industrial + Acoustic + Folk Music + Gangsta Rap + Video Game Songs + Miley Cyrus = Everybodee happeh!

Anyhoo, I'm off to do a useless shift from 6-10:30 which will involve me drinking Coke, "fixing" the Street Fighter machines and kicking out the dipsh*ts who loiter in my store. =D

Final words: You all will fear the wrath of ASSAULT. And to you low tier mains out there, bring your best. Cos we'll be recruiting 2 more into the ranks. 4v4 Crews in Rocky are coming up and we need 8 for 2 Crews to enter. =3

 

[TakFR]

I'll bring my music too then =)

Also reminding everyone that the Melty Blood tourney is also being run so bring laptops, controllers and usbs (if you want a copy) =)

 

[Slashpockets]

@siyro: then you played a noob pit. he should charge, aim and loop arrows, which whoever you versed obviously didnt.

I was trying to lure him.... but he hit me first and that's why he thought it was awesome. >.>
I rarely charge my arrows. If someone is at a distance, I won't try to hit them but I will only aim at them, if that makes sense... =S

 

[Timic83]

@Timic:
GIVE ME GG AND MVC2!
I'll give you Melty in exchange.

Haha

GG should be fine, but MVC2 is on a Dreamcast emulator self-booting rom... it might not work on your computer.

I would bring my laptop, but it has a huuuge crack in the screen

I however, will bring my Ps2 to PC adapter, and it has 2 controller ports so bring your ps2 controller/ps2 arcade stick if you want anyone



Also, snake isnt really that good... he sucks when getting hit by fast multi hit attacks (tornado, turtle) and although ftilt and utilt are great... you can just shield and throw (im probly saying noob stuff)

 

[Siyro]

@siyro: then you played a noob pit. he should charge, aim and loop arrows, which whoever you versed obviously didnt.

False. It just so happens thats the only time it's happened, my point was that it is possible to advance a player. Sure it might not be easy and you may take damage in the process, but can still be done with the right actions.

 

[CAOTIC]

Only time for doubles for me! After that I'm heading out for some... fun!

 

[Dekar289]

Only time for doubles for me! After that I'm heading out for some... fun!

brawl isn't fun? you said it.

 

[Jei Jei]

That's an infraction right there.
Remember people, the tournament starts at 1PM, try to get there early.
Bring TV's and Wii's please.
$5 entry per person for Singles and $5 entry per team for Doubles. Pot will be decided by the amount of people who show up.
Condog will be bringing his endless supply of power boards and extension cables, but still help him out by bringing your own, even if we don't end up using them.

Is anyone bringing recording equipment?

 

[Attila_]

i have a capture card i can bring, but my cpu sucks to hard to use it, so if anyone brings a decent laptop...

remember, me and tibs will probs get there a little after 12. ill be coming straight from work *sigh*

not staying when we're done either, im drowning in uni crap atm...

 

[Siyro]

Found the Results for anyone who may be interested

Febuary
March
April

 

[Dekar289]

if attila brings capture card
and someone else brings mic
i'll commentate matches/bag brawl all day haha

match recording weeew
hey attila be sure to bring it to the melee monthly yeh? haven't recorded any melee matches since liek... rambo!

 

[Ledge_g2]

I'll bring my recording thingy too.

 

[Dekar289]

where have these recording thingys been all this time D:

 

[Tanman]

I'll try to get my laptop working and capture card - No promises. It takes FOREVER to work.