KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
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DruggedFox. People are dumb.
Thats why I gave up explaining stuff in this thread a long time ago lol.
Lets just see if these match ups that are quite obviously in one character's favor change over time *cough* Zelda > Mewtwo *cough*
Yea I kno haha. You guys really need to work on your power of persuasion. Can you believe I got Umbreon, Taj, and Vectorman to agree with me. Those guys are soo dumb omg. They dont know **** about Mewtwo or Zelda. They didnt even win Pound 4.I quit trying to explain the obvious fact that Zelda > Mewtwo b/c Kaostar probably would have committed ritualistic suicide via Shadow Ball....
pending on how close jiggs is to marth as he fsmashes, you have more than ample time to wd oos or just jump.fun fact: if jigglypuff rolls toward marth just as he fsmashes, she has a large period of time in which she can rest him before he can move again. (i don't have SDM's frame data on hand but it was around an 8-10 frame window)
players of equal skill is different than Taj vs random Zelda AYea I kno haha. You guys really need to work on your power of persuasion. Can you believe I got Umbreon, Taj, and Vectorman to agree with me. Those guys are soo dumb omg. They dont know **** about Mewtwo or Zelda. They didnt even win Pound 4.
jiggz 55 marth 45
haha really? i figured i didn't invent that but i'd never heard of anyone else doing it at the time.mike g tricks from 05
yeah, i always ban that. stupid tippersMarth can win on a small stage though like yoshis
Cause foxes don't like to campJust noticing, but how is Fox v Samus even?
It shouldn't be. Fox does work on Samus.Just noticing, but how is Fox v Samus even?
I've never seen Hugs lose to a fox main in tournament(Lovage and Lucky have never taken a set form him iirc). Also PC's Fox lost to IHSB and then he switched to Marth and whip him. I know this isn't proof of much, I'm just pointing out that I've never seen a pro fox go to work on a pro Samus.It shouldn't be. Fox does work on Samus.
Many of the games were last hits and all of them were last stock, just that Hungrybox is the better player (if only slightly), which can switch who has the advantage.I don't mean to be offensive but getting 6-0'd really isn't holding up well. It just seems like Jigs has a counter for whatever fox throws at her.
And I think running away and laser camping is a bad idea, it put you closer to ledge meaning jigs only has to hit you once to edge guard you to death; Even Jman gave up on that after a while. And if you're going to try and compete with her in the middle of the stage then she beats you, she can combo you better than you combo her.
every match was last stock but thats neither here nor thereAnyone else think Fox vs Puff is even. Did anyone else notice when Jman applied everything we all say makes Fox beats Puff he still lost every match to Hungrybox? He tried running away and camping, and then approaching with aerials and mixed up and got beat. He tried controlling the space in the middle of the stage and he still got beat. I think this idea that Fox beats Puff is outdated and simply not true in the current metagame.
sounds good.Jigglypuff 55:45 Marth
Jigglypuff 60:40 Sheik
Jigglypuff 55:45 Falcon?
Hmm, why do you say falcon has a harder time with falco than falcon? I'm just curious, because I've always felt the reverse. Falcos lasers never give falcon real trouble, and he's one of the character that has many options to get in on falco. That + easier edgeguarding has always made me feel like fox does better than falco in the matchup (though falco obviously still has the advantage)matchups vs falcon IMO:
fox v falcon = 6-4
falco v falcon = 65-35
sheik v falcon = 65-35
marth v falcon = 50-50
jiggs v falcon = 55-45
Jigs kind of does have an answer for everything fox does. That isn't to say that Jigs can counter whatever Fox does but she has a method for neutralizing every counter fox can produce. In short I'm saying there is nothing Fox can do that will always give him an edge of Puff.every match was last stock but thats neither here nor there
whats interesting after watching the matches is that, when jman camped the edges (as he was doing in wf and first parts of Gf) he was doing relatively worst. always trailing stocks count or at best even.
when he tried controlling the middle and mixed it with flyby nairs and the occasional laser pressure, he was leading the entire game by a full stock, but hbox made a good comeback.
i dunno why im typing all this, i guess its to say that when jman "ran away and camped" he almost never had the lead, or only minimaly. when he comtrolled centre, he had his best play of the entire tourny.
edit: after reading your second post on the matter, i have to disagree.
jiggs doesnt have "an answer" for everything you do as fox, lol she isnt marth. She has a few tricks and a great bair, but that hardly constitues having a concrete response for everything, other than 'outspace fox".
and fox can EASILY match jiggs on damage output fighting toe to toe so i dont know where you got "she combos you better' from, they both kinda "combo" each other pretty mediocrely
You forgot Pound 4 Zhu whupping SS and Darkrain. And Shiz beat SS in case you forgot.falcon does good vs falco now
ss vs shiz
hax vs lambchops
65/35
i say 55/45
Fix'd. Because Zhu and PP destroy Falcons.falcon does good vs falcos from my neck of the woods
ss vs shiz
hax vs lambchops
65/35
i say 55/45
You throw around so many generalizations thats its impossible to draw anything significant from your post.Jigs kind of does have an answer for everything fox does. That isn't to say that Jigs can counter whatever Fox does but she has a method for neutralizing every counter fox can produce. In short I'm saying there is nothing Fox can do that will always give him an edge of Puff.
You simply don't know what you're talking about when you say they both combo each other mediocrcrely. The only combo Fox has on Jigs is nar, to nair to more nairs if Jigs doesn't DI. From any point in the stage Jigs an string a single fair or bair to a wall of pain and force Fox off the stage, which should results in Fox's death. I'm not saying Jigs ***** Fox head on, I'm just saying she has the advantage there. If you disagree with that then please explain why.
m2k, bob$, me, and many other marths with vouch for thisStill Discussing:
Falcon 55:45 or 50:50 Marth?
Even Yoshi! ^^ *sigh* if only! <33falcon is a bad character and gets ***** by everyone
Awww, it's not like that, well at least I don't try to be =/ it's just uhhh.. idk, I guess I believe Yoshi should get more credit ^^ but maybe I'm delusional... You may be right ;_;You're like the ICG of Yoshi.
Yayyy! <3 ChivalRuse <3Nah. Vman is a beast at this game. ICG is not.
have you even played ICG? his corngames are impeccableNah. Vman is a beast at this game. ICG is not.