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Marth Metagame Thread
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Megavitamins
Smash Champion
IMO DS OOS isn't that good vs Peach, cuz mopst of the time she'll be hitting ur shield is with a spaced fair
Mr-R
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∫unk
Smash Master
counter oos maybe?
might work peachs attack the same space a lot
and their run is bad so as long as your not in dash range... they're floating and you wait so they run out of float during the counter (so they can't hit you after)
a decent mixup maybe?
this is all theorycraft btw
might work peachs attack the same space a lot
and their run is bad so as long as your not in dash range... they're floating and you wait so they run out of float during the counter (so they can't hit you after)
a decent mixup maybe?
this is all theorycraft btw
Nike.
Smash Hero
Wasnt there a huge BBR debate on the marth vs peach matchup? I know that each coast has a different view on it. Maybe we should have a rediscussion thread Shaya?
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
we should pull that up again
it'd be quite fun
it'd be quite fun
Megavitamins
Smash Champion
Peach's dash attack is bad... shield and punish
Megavitamins
Smash Champion
I dun see why it would hit you if you space....
∫unk
Smash Master
if youre landing point is predicted a lot of moves can hit you
her dash attack is good if it isn't shielded
peach is obviously not dash attacking into your shield regularly... it takes about 5 seconds of playing peach to understand this
edit: wow at "shouldn't hit you if you space". i wonder what else that applies to?
her dash attack is good if it isn't shielded
peach is obviously not dash attacking into your shield regularly... it takes about 5 seconds of playing peach to understand this
edit: wow at "shouldn't hit you if you space". i wonder what else that applies to?
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
peach isn't gonna dash attack you in a neutral position lol. she'll hit you with it as you land or to punish something.
Megavitamins
Smash Champion
Peach's DASH ATTACK can punish marth LANDING? Fair should beat it out if you land, even if she predicts your choice of land
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
If you SHFF a Fair, Nair, even uair, why the hell would Peach be able to hit you with a Dash Attack when you have a Dancing Blade and a Jab?
Uhh landing with fair gives you enough lag that peachs dash attack can reach in dem like 8 frames.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
And what if you rising fair? Or FF Retreating fair? To be honest, if you even space as normal I cannot see Peach hitting you with Dash Attack. I could be wrong, though.
Not to mention, Peach probably won't be on the ground often, save to pluck turnips, and if she has a turnip she can't DA anyways D=
Megavitamins
Smash Champion
Well... Peach is like Marth in that she usually stays pretty close to ground with float
En.Ee.Oh
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i still don't understand why marth vs peach is being debated as close?
mr-r have you even sat down and analyzed the tools available to you in the MU or do you just claim it's close because you lose it lol
think about what your character has available to you to counter what peach has available to her and what she can do to stop your tools in comparison to what you can do to stop hers before you just decide match ups are even because you lose them
i lost to ally - marth still ***** snake
back when i lost to june's dk a year ago, - marth still ***** DK
just because you lose a MU doesn't mean it's close >_>
mr-r have you even sat down and analyzed the tools available to you in the MU or do you just claim it's close because you lose it lol
think about what your character has available to you to counter what peach has available to her and what she can do to stop your tools in comparison to what you can do to stop hers before you just decide match ups are even because you lose them
i lost to ally - marth still ***** snake
back when i lost to june's dk a year ago, - marth still ***** DK
just because you lose a MU doesn't mean it's close >_>
Reizilla
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Marth ***** snake? When did this happen? Explain, please.
LooftWaffles
Smash Journeyman
From what Ive read, the theory behind Marth> Snake is that snake loses to two things. Being offstage, and being uthrown.
Crazy annoying matchup in practice, because in theory marth never swings his sword into a grenade. Or a shield.
Mr-R
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lol wtf, WHEN and i mean quote me
did I say it was a close match up looool, i just asked for help >.>
never said such a thing, ur confusing me with pierce.
I also agree that marth beats snake
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Wait, DK still has the disadvantage against Marth iyo NEO?
It is if you use M2K logic lol.
AllyKnight
Banned via Administration
yay im glad i wasnt being crazy with the Marth being even with Snake at the very least.
I thought most marth/snake players thought it was even or slightly in marth's favor, AFAIK candy and bizkit are the only good snake's that think snake wins and I don't even know any marth players that think that
clowsui
Smash Legend
snake vs. marth is, at higher levels, better for marth
at the mid level that ish is still a little towards snake's favor...this mu is definitely hard to grasp, you have to play it a lot to get it (as opposed to matchups vs. some other good character like pikachu or ice climbers or maybe even falco)
at the mid level that ish is still a little towards snake's favor...this mu is definitely hard to grasp, you have to play it a lot to get it (as opposed to matchups vs. some other good character like pikachu or ice climbers or maybe even falco)
Turbo Ether
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In general, whenever you jump, you are commiting to landing lag at some point. If Marth could just throw out 100% safe Fairs all day, he would never get hit.
Lord Chair
Smash Master
How can people still not just accept the fact that Shaya is always right.
Peach's (Peach'?) dash attack has an annoying disjoint, and it can decently punish a whiffed fair.
Peach's (Peach'?) dash attack has an annoying disjoint, and it can decently punish a whiffed fair.
Mr-R
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Well, in reality the upsmash hitbox has pretty crap [horizontal] range but a reasonably nice disjoint.
It ties in speed with dancing blade oos.
But of course one does 20 damage, and the other... doesnt. And one has transcended priority... and better horizontal range... and yeah, yeah.
There are a slew of characters in this game with shield disadvantage for aerials similar to Marth (-8 standard). The next step up are a lot of characters with around 12 frames. This includes Falcos bair, MKs fair and nair, dks bair******, a reasonably long list that even Im not fully aware of but if I was as truly awesome as Id want to be I should.
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Unfortunately jab oos and utilt oos has over all better chances of hitting things
And DK happens to have aerial mobility, which pretty much sucks. And the animation for the move detracts his foot pretty quickly.
You will find that up smash oos is actually a lot more useful when power shielding things.
Because doing anything else out of one is pretty much a big load of painful time wasting (you are still very easily able to buffer spot dodges and rolls, and you still have a 4 frame shield drop lag).
It ties in speed with dancing blade oos.
But of course one does 20 damage, and the other... doesnt. And one has transcended priority... and better horizontal range... and yeah, yeah.
There are a slew of characters in this game with shield disadvantage for aerials similar to Marth (-8 standard). The next step up are a lot of characters with around 12 frames. This includes Falcos bair, MKs fair and nair, dks bair******, a reasonably long list that even Im not fully aware of but if I was as truly awesome as Id want to be I should.
**************** = LOOOOOOL LACK OF ANY DISJOINTSSSSSSSSS AND HUGE HURTBOXXXXXXXXX
Unfortunately jab oos and utilt oos has over all better chances of hitting things
And DK happens to have aerial mobility, which pretty much sucks. And the animation for the move detracts his foot pretty quickly.
You will find that up smash oos is actually a lot more useful when power shielding things.
Because doing anything else out of one is pretty much a big load of painful time wasting (you are still very easily able to buffer spot dodges and rolls, and you still have a 4 frame shield drop lag).
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
USmash OoS ***** when the other guy is on the ledge. It covers almost every option they have.
∫unk
Smash Master
d-smash is good on the ledge trap too because its easy to tip and it has enough shield knockback to push them off (making it safe)
Megavitamins
Smash Champion
U-tilt is slower / laggier / not as good cuz u cant do it immeditately out of shield.Well, in reality the upsmash hitbox has pretty crap [horizontal] range but a reasonably nice disjoint.
It ties in speed with dancing blade oos.
But of course one does 20 damage, and the other... doesnt. And one has transcended priority... and better horizontal range... and yeah, yeah.
There are a slew of characters in this game with shield disadvantage for aerials similar to Marth (-8 standard). The next step up are a lot of characters with around 12 frames. This includes Falcos bair, MKs fair and nair, dks bair******, a reasonably long list that even Im not fully aware of but if I was as truly awesome as Id want to be I should.
**************** = LOOOOOOL LACK OF ANY DISJOINTSSSSSSSSS AND HUGE HURTBOXXXXXXXXX
Unfortunately jab oos and utilt oos has over all better chances of hitting things
And DK happens to have aerial mobility, which pretty much sucks. And the animation for the move detracts his foot pretty quickly.
You will find that up smash oos is actually a lot more useful when power shielding things.
Because doing anything else out of one is pretty much a big load of painful time wasting (you are still very easily able to buffer spot dodges and rolls, and you still have a 4 frame shield drop lag).
I've been using U-smash OOS for a while...
Bengalz that may be true but if they're on the ledge you want them to STAY there, not give them an aerial boost to freedom (unless death percent lul)