Ike Boards General/Q&A Thread

[jamlosingthegame]

I tried a Classic Controller myself. It practically feels the same for me except for a few button placements

 

[-RedX-]

Giants wins World Series.
I will now have 2 World Series badges. 8D

 

[Teh Brettster]

You're from ****ing New York. WTF?

Anyway. I'm still super proud of the Rangers. They're still the first Rangers franchise to win ALDS, ALCS, and the first TX team ever to win a WS game (and on home turf). Next year should be just as good. I don't see a lot of the guys going anywhere else. I just hope CLee stays with us.

Though I am still salty about a lot of ump calls throughout the series, name game 4 on nearly every pitch + a few plays at 1st base. I'm still awaiting evidence that that game was intentionally called in favor of Giants (not really, but it seriously seemed a lot like that).

(I wish we had a miracle series like the '04 Red Sox. That was the only other WS that mattered to me-- maybe Astros in 2005, but they got stomped--- and I was happy the Red Sox won.)

 

[theeboredone]

California too good. Lakers and Giants da bess. Pot gonna be legal soon da bess. Charlie Sheen sleeping with porn stars while on cocaine da bess.

 

[Tech-Nelium the Shark]

I think you can pivot grab the spacies out of illusion. I do it sometimes when i'm playing snake(which I'm trying to cut down on). As for jabbing out of illusion, i think you can just sit there and hold A and potentially mindgame them into trying taking the ledge and maybe you could edge hog them. if you know the distance of illusion well you can sit there on the ledge safely jabbing because illusion has no priority, it is during the first part of illusion that falco is invincible(not sure about fox).

 

[san.]

Jab is too slow to hold against illusion. Easier to time. Plus they know that you're just jabbing away, they can easily aim an illusion above the hitbox towards Ike's head and it'll hit.

Just waiting helps them not knowing what you're going to do.

 

[theeboredone]

Yea, holding jab on the edge has been unsuccessful for me. Pivot grab sounds like a hard read in my opinion and can result in getting hit by or whiffing the whole manuever. I need to work on the jab timing. Usually I just try to make the hard read and grab the edge or retreat Up-smash.

 

[Ussi]

I just empty hop till i get a timing down on how they like to jump back to predict a ftilt/dash attack/fair

 

[YagamiLight]

California too good. Lakers and Giants da bess. Pot gonna be legal soon da bess. Charlie Sheen sleeping with porn stars while on cocaine da bess.

Californiaaa~~~

**** yeah

Let's see what happens with Proposition 19!

 

[Tech-Nelium the Shark]

Californiaaa~~~

**** yeah

Let's see what happens with Proposition 19!

friggen hippies

 

[Heartstring]

for illusion i used to attempt eruption out of it, however it almost always leads to disaster...or a few percent off ike at least XP
i tend to like messing about onstage and then slip onto the edge before they get there. occasionally work, but the catch is if you do it right they lose a stock

 

[Xyro77]

Hey guys!...Big gulps, huh? Alright!....Well, see ya later!

 

[Mr. Doom]

Oh shoot. I forgot to get my WHOBO3 pass... Prices have gone up, now...

Spoiler

I have no money at the moment...

 

[theeboredone]

Yea, I forgot about it too...oh well.

 

[metroid1117]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-94IOX5du18#t=35s
^Possible reward for jabbing an Illusion. And I've done it plenty of times vs him. lol

Can't they Illusion for the edge after the jab since there's so little hitstun?

 

[theeboredone]

It would have to be a pretty quick reaction in my opinion, since not many species chars know it works. Even if they did anticipate it, not sure if they would wanna risk illusioning to the edge unless they had tested it.

 

[Xyro77]

For those of you that wont be making it to MLG: DALLAS, here is my twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/HOBO_Series

Please "follow" me so you can stay updated. I will be tweeting everything all day long.

 

[-RedX-]

Can't they Illusion for the edge after the jab since there's so little hitstun?

What Bored said. And they would have to see it coming and buffer the Illusion to avoid missing the ledge since they fall pretty fast iirc.
Or they can Mr. Doom-SDI the single jab or some ****. But we know that's not possible. ;D

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Would it be possible to perform jab1 -> dtilt after hitting them out of Illusion? If possible, do it enough times to get them to Illusion the edge, read it, and ledge grab.

 

[•Col•]

Would it be possible to perform jab1 -> dtilt after hitting them out of Illusion? If possible, do it enough times to get them to Illusion the edge, read it, and ledge grab.

..... The space animals are some of the fastest fallers in the game....

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

Would it be possible to perform jab1 -> dtilt after hitting them out of Illusion? If possible, do it enough times to get them to Illusion the edge, read it, and ledge grab.

Just jab->spike because they'll most likely have used their second jump already and then have to Up-B afterward (probably just edgehog Wolf though).

 

[Tech-Nelium the Shark]

not sure but it might be possible to jab> d tilt more characters if you do the d tilt without crouching by just slightly holding down.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Generally, I believe most Ike players use attack stick to avoid crouching and to use for jab combos more, like jab -> utilt. It also helps with retreating nairs. I don't use it though.

 

[Kirk]

I never liked tilt sticking. I really need that c-stick for my fsmashes.

jab > dtilt depends on char weight and their SDI/positioning from the ledge.

 

[san.]

Yeah, it's hard to just jab-> dtilt fox and falco. You need either luck, or memorize the position where dtilt will work, even after 1-2 more jabs while being aware of how your opponent is trying to escape. in most situations, continuing to jab cancel then finishing the combo or something like that is usually the easiest with the best reward instead of a risky dtilt at the cost of missing out on %.

 

[Teh Brettster]

I never try to jab->Dtilt Fox, Falco, Wolf. I just don't.

As for tilt stick... to each their own.
You get very slightly faster smashes (without moving even an inch) with smash stick, and the fastfalling business apparently isn't as bad as once though.

Tilt stick to ME means------ easy Nair spacing, easy (easier) jab into tilts, better control while avoiding fastfalling.

 

[Tech-Nelium the Shark]

I'm not talking about a tilt stick. You can just press lightly down on the a stick and press a and you get the d tilt without crouching.

 

[Senliten]

lol, think I might be a DAir Abuser..... Try way to much to go for those ledge spikes and either land them or pay some sort of price for it.

Where's the nearest DAirholics Anonymous XD

 

[Mr. Doom]

I believe I'm ready for MLG Dallas. Things are going to be intense from here on out.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

I'm not talking about a tilt stick. You can just press lightly down on the a stick and press a and you get the d tilt without crouching.

I was just saying how much easier it is to do with attack stick.

So no go on the jab -> dtilt? I need to get more MU experience. I should after all my college app johns.

 

[san.]

Dair against an opponent hanging on the ledge does cover a variety of options if used as their invincibility frames go away. It is most effective when doing a walk off dair on the platform on BF, and cases similar to it.


I always did jab->dtilt manually. Just easier for me that way. You won't crouch if you buffer correctly. As previously stated, go for jab->dtilt if you think you can get it off/think it's the best option, otherwise, continue jabbing and ledge pressure (tilts as mixups work surprisingly well, especially angled)

 

[metroid1117]

It would have to be a pretty quick reaction in my opinion, since not many species chars know it works. Even if they did anticipate it, not sure if they would wanna risk illusioning to the edge unless they had tested it.

What Bored said. And they would have to see it coming and buffer the Illusion to avoid missing the ledge since they fall pretty fast iirc.
Or they can Mr. Doom-SDI the single jab or some ****. But we know that's not possible. ;D

I was thinking of how in Melee, if Falco interrupts Fox or another Falco's recovery with a laser, good players would just Illusion again. I assumed that it could work in Brawl, since if you jab Fox/Falco, they're going to have to be above the edge by one body height. Also, if a tactic becomes so prevalent that every player uses it, then people are undoubtedly going to try to find ways around it or expect it the next time they're put in that position, thus eliminating the element of surprise (like how people responded to Falco's DThrow -> DAir spike by SDI'ing and teching against the stage).

..... The space animals are some of the fastest fallers in the game....

Like RedX said, they can possibly DI the jab up so that they have enough time to Illusion safely. Also, if you look closely at the original video that RedX provided, it looks pretty clear that Fox can just Illusion again at 0:38. Even if they're too low to Illusion back to the stage, they could certainly up+B higher such that they'd be too high to be hit by walk-off DAir (but still susceptible to other forms of edgeguarding by a subsequent edgehog and forcing them to land on the stage).

 

[Ussi]

run off bair go go

 

[•Col•]

Like RedX said, they can possibly DI the jab up so that they have enough time to Illusion safely. Also, if you look closely at the original video that RedX provided, it looks pretty clear that Fox can just Illusion again at 0:38. Even if they're too low to Illusion back to the stage, they could certainly up+B higher such that they'd be too high to be hit by walk-off DAir (but still susceptible to other forms of edgeguarding by a subsequent edgehog and forcing them to land on the stage).

I....... Wha? When I said that the space animals fall really fast, I was implying that they couldn't be jabbed->dtilt spiked.... I have no idea what message you were just trying to send across to me, as it just went completely over my head.

Perhaps a misquote?

 

[Teh Brettster]

I love Walkoff Dair from a BF platform.

Runoff Bair lololololololololol

Runoff Uair so much win.

 

[Ussi]

jab > dtilt does work on wolf if you do it fast enough..

and san killed me with a run off bair ;~; its not funny!


Oh Saaan, is there a live stream to the tourney you're going too?

 

[Mr. Doom]

Interesting. I've seen some videos where Ike players used walk-off dair, but every single time the dair never connects. Unless I'm looking at the wrong videos, I don't see the point of doing walk-off dair. As goes for bair and uair.

 

[-RedX-]

Interesting. I've seen some videos where Ike players used walk-off dair, but every single time the dair never connects. Unless I'm looking at the wrong videos, I don't see the point of doing walk-off dair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-94IOX5du18#t=35s

>_>

 

[Mr. Doom]

lol I face-palmed real hard after realizing I was the one who uploaded that one. Seriously, I had forgotten about that one. Anyway, are there any other videos besides mine? Like, against high tiers. That's what I'm getting at.

 

[the king of murder]

Jab is too slow to hold against illusion. Easier to time. Plus they know that you're just jabbing away, they can easily aim an illusion above the hitbox towards Ike's head and it'll hit.

Sorry for quoting an old post.

If they are aiming for Ike's head can't you just predict it and U-tilt or U-smash him?

Also I find walk off D-air only useful against charas with predictable recovery.