Ike Boards General/Q&A Thread

[Nysyarc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNjKyryp478#t=1m07s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNjKyryp478#t=2m03s

Ah, I always wondered how to link directly to a certain spot in the video but never thought to just quote someone who did it/look at the link to see what's different about it (

Spoiler

I also never thought to ask someone

). That'll make things much easier.

 

[Dark 3nergy]

70% of the time I grab the ledge after a CG and the other times they fthrow me i'm too high for a foot stool...

if they go for footstool can't we FF then aether back?

im starting to not fthrow people as much offstage, because i'd rather mix up the end of the cg. If all i did was fthrow after CG a good opponent will already have a plan in place. CG>pummel release>to maybe a bair stage spike? footstool? shield aether to regrab? ... or maybe CG>walk off fair

or CG>air release to ??, or for damage CG>bthrow at end of the stage to bair?

Well footstool was just a suggestion, but up-air would surely spell death for us xP.

while i have footstooled killed ppl in bracket, it was very situational and in both cases both my opponents had good uairs or ways of stopping it

on wifi i cant DI out of suicide aethers. IDK about offline yet. However i have footstooled ike. Out of a CG? no, out of bairs yes. I cant really find any good methods or ways to get a footstool off stage yet however i think i'll start trying that out. Im still rly skeptical that i can find a guaranteed method to get a footstool

I kinda doubt getting a fs out of a fthrow is gonna work 100% of the time. Pummel release and air release maybe? if i pummel release ike, he can just aether or do sans trademark ledge hopped uairs. srsly if u guys arent doing ledge hopped uairs if u get in a read ur playing ike horribly wrong. Ive made so many kills off of doing that alone, no buddy expects ike to recover from the long animation of uair. so DO IT








da other thing is, i think while aether is a good anti on-da-ledge camping tool, my big beef with aether is that u kids only get what 5-6 frames at the apex of the special move to grab the ledge, after that YOU FALL VERY FAST. Its not very diffcult to speed hug gimp an ike. If you watched the new vids of xyro vs san, alot of xyros kills were from gimps and san ******* around too much at the ledge. Xyro didnt only just tether gimp san, he ALSO jumped down, waited for the upb then quickly upb himself just as san was rising/falling. Xyro also tether snap gimped san before on SV. I believe ikes upb is more of an eye sore for recovering in that situation more so than anything else. If your gonna **** around at the ledge, have a game plan and accept the consequences if you get ****** over hard. Da ledge is not a safe place for ike against the likes of a good player. ESPECIALLY against DDD. This has happened to other people ive fought before, they wanna ledge camp on a character not really capable of doing it right, they get like a very early 20% death-- dis is prolly one of the big reasons why DDD is a 35-65 for u guys. The CG sets u guys up to be off stage, somewhere where Ike does not do well and DDD/MK excel at.

 

[Rykoshet]

Aether is very easy to scout and punish if you know what to look for. It's got the same problems as illusion, pretty much.

 

[Ussi]

I don't think DDD is speed hugging the ledge offstage with that air speed without being too close to get aether spiked.

Also retreating bairs don't get grabbed :D

Also nothing wrong with ******* around in friendlies, not like san was losing consisently cause of it either

 

[Dark 3nergy]

I don't think DDD is speed hugging the ledge offstage with that air speed without being too close to get aether spiked.

why would ddd be off stage to speed hug...? speed hug involves being onstage to begin with, then rotating the analog stick in such a fashion that the character drops down and grabs the ledge..that has absolutely nothing to do with DDDs air speed

 

[Silhouette]

Sup guys
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Live Stream

 

[Dark 3nergy]

too bad i couldnt come ta that

thx for the link ill watch

 

[AN(M)ist]

i suppose you're thinking ike is recovering high so tht his sword is spinning above DDD's height. I don't see how you can speed hug when there is a sword spinning near the ledge; i mean those 4-5 frames of spinning in the air are with active hitboxes. or do you mean speed hug when ike jumps to catch his sword? thts the non-active hitbox here. but then you'll have to be standing near the ledge to speed hug (where the spinning sword is going to be).

 

[Dark 3nergy]

^^^ when ikes recovering from below i believe ddd can successfully do it, any other height and what u described happens. sword would interrupt a attempt to do it obvi cuz of how the hitboxes work. Thus u'd be hard press to interrupt ike during the aether animation as he jumps up to catch the sword

 

[Rykoshet]

i suppose you're thinking ike is recovering high so tht his sword is spinning above DDD's height. I don't see how you can speed hug when there is a sword spinning near the ledge; i mean those 4-5 frames of spinning in the air are with active hitboxes. or do you mean speed hug when ike jumps to catch his sword? thts the non-active hitbox here. but then you'll have to be standing near the ledge to speed hug (where the spinning sword is going to be).

The time it takes to set up a low recovering aether telegraphs the situation enough to give the person time to speed hug in reaction to your throwing aether, and theyre invincible long enough to just stay there until you plummet to your death.

 

[AN(M)ist]

but then it becomes a mind game of whether ike will grab the ledge or land onstage. if the opponents assumes former, then he'll stand near the ledge and wait for aether, and if he assumes latter then he won't be standing near the ledge cause the sword will be there. Ike can move a bit horizontally so as to read the situation and decide whether to land onstage or grab the ledge (and this input is also done when ike is about to jump for his sword, so its more of a observable game for ike and a mindgame for the opponent).

 

[Nysyarc]

Yes but the opponent can't possibly lose anything by attempting the edge-hog. If we're too low or if we space it poorly, it's a stock, and if we land on the stage basically every character has an easy way to punish Aether's landing lag from the ledge. Recovering low with Aether is a win-win situation for an opponent who knows how to edge-guard Aether.

 

[AN(M)ist]

well, at least that's better than losing a stock. ike does hit hard, so getting back onstage and then returning the received damage with something as fast as a jab combo is worth it. I don't think any ledge attack or aerial does anything notably more (if more at all) than 16% damage.

 

[Ussi]

Ike is low tier for a reason

 

[AN(M)ist]

but we still like Ike

Isn't that also a reason we still play him.

nyways, I totally agree with ike having a mediocre recovery, but then its all he has besides a lesser QD, so we'll have to make the most out of it.

 

[Teh Brettster]

Ike is low tier for a reason

That reason?

Niddo.

 

[Ussi]

In other news, I got my summer grades, A in online calculus and A in Orgo chem, BOOYA!


I play Ike cause i love his playstyle.

 

[Teh Brettster]

In more other news, SCREW YOU. There's no way I'm getting anything higher than a C (and I'm HOPING for that) in early music history. This class + my prof = BALLS.

At least I got an A in astronomy.

 

[AN(M)ist]

yo, beat me by getting an A in all you're courses in one semester . I <3 college life and pizza.

 

[theeboredone]

One of my classes got canceled for the upcoming semester. Now I'm stuck trying to pick one of those crappy classes left that nobody wants -_-.

 

[Ussi]

So i'm taking Orgo Chem 2, General Physics 1, and Calc 2 so far in the fall, i need one more class :x.. sadly bio 2 is full

 

[Nidtendofreak]

That reason?

Niddo.

Ow. That wasn't very nice.

*stabs Brett with a rusty pen knife*

 

[san.]

My next semester is pretty stacked =/

I hope I do well in my linear algebra, waves and oscillations & quantum mechanics, and functional programming and networks.

All my classes, every single one, I do great on 1-2 tests, then crappy on JUST 1 each time =(

 

[Nidtendofreak]

I have Chem, Chem Lab, Bio, Bio Lab (which I didn't even book, but it comes with the course, lucky me. -_-), English Composition 2, and Algebra this coming semester. Which starts 1 day after I get back from vacation. But I have nothing on Fridays! :D

 

[Ussi]

I made sure i had no classes on Friday this semester so if the off chance I might be able to go to MLG DC XD

 

[Nidtendofreak]

My college just doesn't like having classes on Friday. Maybe 10% of the courses have a Friday option, in which case that's the only day of the week you have that class.

 

[theeboredone]

So who has SC2? I was never a huge fan of it, but I'm gonna try and obtain it through "other" means.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Get it legally, and then burn me a copy as I'm too poor to buy a copy, otherwise I'll stab you with a rusty pen knife!

 

[Nysyarc]

What exactly is a pen knife, or do I want to know? O.o

On that whole Stark quitting Brawl thing... he's on WiFi playing with someone right now. He didn't last very long at all, lmao.

 

[Ussi]

He probably got bored at college

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Back from Pennsylvania. Dorney Park & Wild Water Kingdom was fun. I barely went on any of the rated 5 rides there (Only one was Hangtime). I did get a kick from my little bro going on Demon Drop. He cried and I got to hug him without him punching/kicking me. As for Wild Water, the lazy river they had wasn't very good. You needed a tube and you had to stay on it, you couldn't just swim. I think something was wrong with the wave pool, because those on off waves didn't seem like 10 minutes.

Anyways, Stark looks like a pretty good Ike, but then again, those were "Best Moments". lol @ him still playing. If I were to go away for college, I waould bring my Wii. My bros can have the 360.

Gah, you guys talking about college. I've got one more year left of High School, and I still have no idea on where I want to go. All I have are Stonybrook, MIT, and RIT. Probably gonna try applying for Ivy Leagues, and maybe Boston College since my best friend is gonna apply there.
Wish I could go to Apex as my first official Brawl tourney, but I waon't be making it due to several conflicts. maybe Sunday, but I never applied for it at all, so I have no idea if I'm even allowed to go.

EDIT: aww, I missed Mr. Doom's birthday. Happy belated birthday! My present was going to be me saying you lost the game, but it's too late. Unless you still want it.

/wall of text (I think this may be one of the longest posts I have here in these forums, or in both forums I go to)

 

[Mr. Doom]

Thanks guys for the best wishes.

I looked up pen knife just a few minutes ago. Now I know what Niddo's talking about.

 

[san.]

Gah, you guys talking about college. I've got one more year left of High School, and I still have no idea on where I want to go. All I have are Stonybrook, MIT, and RIT. Probably gonna try applying for Ivy Leagues, and maybe Boston College since my best friend is gonna apply there.
Wish I could go to Apex as my first official Brawl tourney, but I waon't be making it due to several conflicts. maybe Sunday, but I never applied for it at all, so I have no idea if I'm even allowed to go.

Go to RIT or Cornell so I can come visit! =)

 

[Nysyarc]

Whoa I missed your B-Day too while I was working. Happy B-Day!

For my present, I'll get off my lazy *** and find some way to get Doom 2 and try your modded levels. I've wanted to... but my *** has just been so lazy.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Go to RIT or Cornell so I can come visit! =)

LOL, if I go to Cornell, I an get owned in Brawl any time I wanted to.

Pen knife: a small pocketknife, formerly one used for making and sharpening quill pens.
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&q=pen+knife&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Somehow I think the definition changed a bit.

 

[Nysyarc]

LOL, if I go to Cornell, I an get owned in Brawl any time I wanted to.

Well at least it would be staying true to your user name.

I would not want to get stabbed with a rusty pen knife. *Makes note never to piss off Niddo*

 

[Ussi]

I pissed off Niddo and he stabbed me during the biweekly ;~;

 

[theeboredone]

I pissed off Niddo and he gave me an annoying lecture on how this country is corrupt and Canada is a true escape from reality.

 

[Ussi]

That sounds harsh

Niddo sandbagging

 

[Teh Brettster]

Sorry I missed your birthday. Mr Doom.

I really want to type M.D. Doom so much of the time.

Anyway. Jam. I suggest applying to more than just Ivy League, bro. Some of those schools basically require you to know the dean to get in. I'm not at all saying you can't get in. I'm just saying you need some more options.

(I only applied to one university, but that's because I was pretty much guaranteed accepted.)