If there was ever a time that you wanted to save Melee, it better be now.

[xbombr]

I think if we admit defeat it really will be over. I'm one of the newcomers that allegedly should be playing Brawl right now, and I most definitely would be if it weren't for YOU. As long as the Melee community (However small and atrophied it's growth may be) is trying to organize tournaments, trying to keep the competitive scene alive, you will be getting new people. Not as many as you'd be getting if Melee was in MLG instead of Brawl, sure, but this isn't the end of the world.

This is a very intelligent post. We need to continue what we're doing in order to keep growing and keep our community happy. If we give up and just say well Brawl is in MLG now and no one wants to play melee, then stop supporting our own community, then we're screwed for sure.

Another positive is that there aren't any restrictions on what we can and can't do with our community. If we want to have obnoxiously loud, vulgar commentary, then no one can jump in and tell us no. Our "mad hype" commentary wouldn't exist and DIDN'T exist in MLG. Screaming people and commentators that make the matches even more exciting than they already are. The **** talk and everything else that makes our community unique wouldn't be there as we know it today. When I saw my first melee vids from HMW's channel, I was like "Omg they play so fast." and then I was like "Wow these people are so awesome, I wish I could be a part of this."

Most of us that are left are playing this game for fun, not for the money. People who played only for money jumped ship ages ago. Do we really want someone coming in forcing our community to be something it isn't so that some people who don't really care as much about the game as we do can come in just play it for money? Money might have driven the advances in the original metagame since it created a feeling of tension and put something on the line, but since we've learned most of the AT's and glitches in melee that can be exploited for competitive play already, there really isn't a need for money to drive our metagame anymore. It's about having fun. That's the essence of video games. This isn't a job and it doesn't need to be. The short time I've been involved in the melee community I've met some really awesome people and have had a great time. I wouldn't sacrifice that for anything, let alone playing a slow ***, campy game for money.

Unless you're top 16, it costs you (possibly lots of) money to go to these tournaments. Unless you're top 8 you don't get anything. So a very miniscule portion of the people are actually making money. The rest might as well be miserable if they're just playing for money since they aren't gaining anything, they're actually losing by doing so. They're not even having a good time at it. People who realize this and already enjoy melee, or may enjoy melee, will not give two ****s whether or not Brawl is sponsored by MLG.

Remember, you have to spend hundreds, possibly thousands, of hours and gain large amounts of tournament experience at a game to even have a slight chance getting the money. So you better enjoy the game you're playing, otherwise it isn't worth it.

 

[Melomaniacal]

Seriously, the pessimism towards this is the only thing hurting Melee. There's no reason to be upset over this, it will help the Melee community if anything at all.

Let me reiterate: The only thing hurting Melee is the pessimistic attitude I'm seeing here.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Yup. Just support the game. You don't have to play, just get the game popular enough to have the uppers interested enough to look at ALL 3 games.

I just hope there aren't any more matches like GNES vs M2K 3.

Question: If age is a factor, may I ask if the ST scene is still getting new people??

 

[KirbyKaze]

This is a very intelligent post. We need to continue what we're doing in order to keep growing and keep our community happy. If we give up and just say well Brawl is in MLG now and no one wants to play melee, then stop supporting our own community, then we're screwed for sure.

Another positive is that there aren't any restrictions on what we can and can't do with our community. If we want to have obnoxiously loud, vulgar commentary, then no one can jump in and tell us no. Our "mad hype" commentary wouldn't exist and DIDN'T exist in MLG. Screaming people and commentators that make the matches even more exciting than they already are. The **** talk and everything else that makes our community unique wouldn't be there as we know it today. When I saw my first melee vids from HMW's channel, I was like "Omg they play so fast." and then I was like "Wow these people are so awesome, I wish I could be a part of this."

Most of us that are left are playing this game for fun, not for the money. People who played only for money jumped ship ages ago. Do we really want someone coming in forcing our community to be something it isn't so that some people who don't really care as much about the game as we do can come in just play it for money? Money might have driven the advances in the original metagame since it created a feeling of tension and put something on the line, but since we've learned most of the AT's and glitches in melee that can be exploited for competitive play already, there really isn't a need for money to drive our metagame anymore. It's about having fun. That's the essence of video games. This isn't a job and it doesn't need to be. The short time I've been involved in the melee community I've met some really awesome people and have had a great time. I wouldn't sacrifice that for anything, let alone playing a slow ***, campy game for money.

Unless you're top 16, it costs you (possibly lots of) money to go to these tournaments. Unless you're top 8 you don't get anything. So a very miniscule portion of the people are actually making money. The rest might as well be miserable if they're just playing for money since they aren't gaining anything, they're actually losing by doing so. They're not even having a good time at it. People who realize this and already enjoy melee, or may enjoy melee, will not give two ****s whether or not Brawl is sponsored by MLG.

Remember, you have to spend hundreds, possibly thousands, of hours and gain large amounts of tournament experience at a game to even have a slight chance getting the money. So you better enjoy the game you're playing, otherwise it isn't worth it.

I only quoted this to show off my spiffy new sig.

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

We just need to be realistic with ourselves. We already know that a majority of newcomers will go to the Brawl community.

So what does the melee community need to do? We need to create and maintain a close tie with the Brawl community so that we are in the best position to receive any converts. This isn't going to happen if Brawl players see how immature and generally annoying some melee players are towards Brawl.

I know this is going to be hard, considering how brawlbash happy a lot of here are. I understand that but in order for the melee community to survive, we need to get whatever publicity we can. If that means riding Brawl's thunder, then that's what we have to do.

Don't distance the already divided communities. It'll only backfire on us.

 

[Lovage]

i dont care about this stuff

the ppl that love melee are gonna keep playing melee
the ppl that tolerate brawl are gonna play until they dont place in the money anymore and then quit

1/6th of the brawl ppl that quit are gonna try to play melee cuz it's a much better game and its not boring and slow like brawl

theres plenty of melee disks to go around, this isn't mvc2, get that victim of time stuff out of here

 

[EPsilon933]

I am sad. Not because of barlw getting into MLG but because the newer game got into MLG. Nintendo made an amazing game called Super Smash Brothers Melee, but then they spat on us and made the sequel fail miserably for tournament play and succeed at doing it. But it wasn't a 100% success. I'm worried that video game companies, especially Nintendo since they ***** out the casual gamers harder than anyone else out there, will drop difficulty and shrink skill gaps to no end to get people who have no interest in video games playing video games. This really ruins the quality of the game for people like us who want to play the game at a higher level.

My point is, our community exists and we have such a good community because Nintendo made a really good multiplayer game. But if they stop supporting us, we're guaranteed to fade out over time.[slight exaggeration maybe]

Oh, and good stuff, MLG for picking up a Smash game.

 

[Kite91]

This makes no sense, Melee is the better and bigger game. More people are playing melee than Brawl there's no need to save it right now. The only reason why MLG picked up brawl is because its new and they like new games in a series. Look at the entrees for Genesis and Pound 4, also APEX will bring in probably more in melee than Pound did. Melee wont die yet and is still THE SMASH GAME

 

[Spife]

Hey what is the process for MLG picking up a game from a business point of view? Like do they need to get permission from Nintendo or something?

 

[Spit-wad]

Hey what is the process for MLG picking up a game from a business point of view? Like do they need to get permission from Nintendo or something?

No, they don't.

 

[SonuvaBeach]

i dont care about this stuff

the ppl that love melee are gonna keep playing melee
the ppl that tolerate brawl are gonna play until they dont place in the money anymore and then quit

1/6th of the brawl ppl that quit are gonna try to play melee cuz it's a much better game and its not boring and slow like brawl

theres plenty of melee disks to go around, this isn't mvc2, get that victim of time stuff out of here

my opinion exactly.

good for melee because now more will realize melee is amazing and convert

but I care less about brawl. I know of cool brawlers, but it isn't as if our actual communities are THAT connected. The separation of communities at pound 4 was pretty obvious due to the line in the middle and lack of compromise on the livestream

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Um didn't mele's largest tourmnament ever this year have a much larger turn out than brawl? which game is cheaper to set-up and why did they have brawl kicked out again?

Really I think we need to have somekind of mastive step=up and push the number of players beyond brawls I believe that is doable, because I played 1-player mode on melee by myself for a year and thought it was the greatest game of all time 2 weeks after massive for months I quit brawl I played like 2 weeks and lost the will to play there is no soul in that game.

for now on i'm misspelling barwl as salt to the wound

 

[Dai Tian]

Does it really have to be said again? The only way Melee will truly die out right now is if you let it die out. There will still be **** tournaments for it and there are still new Melee people coming in, it's just not at the magical rate we'd all like for it to be.

Keep Melee going strong and people will continue to travel for it. The name of this thread couldn't be more accurate now that I think about it: You want to keep Melee alive? Like you've been doing since Brawl's release? Then step up.

 

[Scar]

What about those Scar melee vs brawl (something along these lines) debates? It had a bunch of links proving why Brawl doesn't fit as a competitive fighter and why melee is better. What ever came of that that? Did anything come from it?

ya pretty much everyone agreed with me

and time has shown that melee, brawl, whatever dude the communities are separate now

melee has plenty of momentum atm tho, there are several large nationals all happening at pretty much the same time

iirc pound pulled greater numbers for melee than it did brawl

i'm not worried about it dogysammich, melee will be fine, WC melee is still really ****ing strong

idk how we can "step it up" any more besides the numbers we've been consistently pulling since brawl came out

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

I'm going to make a melee shirt, try to go to appx, get a few people into high level smash, and try to inspire bwarlers with my pichu.

I think we should delevop pichu,m2, young links, dr. marios, and roy because they wish they had them

 

[Dai Tian]

That would be enough wouldn't it? It's not like they're horrible numbers to begin with.

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Yes!!! Brawl. Gotta start training again

 

[Spit-wad]

idk how we can "step it up" any more besides the numbers we've been consistently pulling since brawl came out

Has anyone attempted to contact MLG or another big potential sponsor? We can "step it up" by not sitting back and waiting to be contacted, but by being proactive and finding our own funding.

 

[Pi]

worse comes to worse we can juss pick up brawl for a few months
become the 'best'
and sway the opinions of the mlg people after winning their brawl tournaments.

might be the most boring few months you've seen in a while but hey, sacrifices may have to be made.

 

[Mike G]

Yes!!! Brawl. Gotta start training again

lol why do I think you're not serious? <3

 

[JPOBS]

I give it a year before MLG drops brawl again.

 

[Vulcan55]

So. Much. Immature. Whining.
Jam Stunna doesn't deserve any of the flak he's getting.

 

[xbombr]

worse comes to worse we can juss pick up brawl for a few months
become the 'best'
and sway the opinions of the mlg people after winning their brawl tournaments.

might be the most boring few months you've seen in a while but hey, sacrifices may have to be made.

Or you could just play melee and continue to support it. :D

 

[ETWIST51294]

Everyone pick up Brawl and play MK and camp/scrooge every player at every event. LOL

 

[Scar]

there have been efforts to centralize the game and have a database of tournaments and numbers etc, but all of them have failed, so we have no way of quantifying our numbers/strength

also i'm sure that business-wise this runs deeper than just us vs them though. i'd imagine that a tournament like an MLG needs rights to the game from the developers, and i don't know if it's as easy as saying one or the other. then again, i'm sure the developers would want to have any of their games hosted, but nintendo hella hated on the melee community by making brawl in the first place

 

[JPOBS]

i dont really see the upshot to the whole "if anything this can only be good for melee" arguement.

 

[everlasting yayuhzz]

i'm actually pretty disgusted by the melee community now. this is a good thing and your *****ing and moaning won't do anything but cause a bigger split between our communities. the best thing the melee community can do right now is maintain close ties with the brawl community and try to ride some of its popularity.

protip: no one cares what you think

 

[The Irish Mafia]

How about we hope that they pick up melee too?

 

[JPOBS]

do people simply not understand that mlg doesnt "quality test" their games or anything?
quality of games within a series is irrelavent to them

you think Halo 3 is better than halo 2? *laughs hysterically*

MLG doesnt give a flying **** about what game is supposedly better, they just go where the money is, and i can hardly blame them.
melee will never see mlg again thats all there is too it.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Was there a problem with what we've been doing since brawl's release or something? Afaik the melee community is still pretty ****ing huge. Heck, Florida is having tournaments like every other week (I can barely afford to keep going because they're so often. I'm gonna need a job just to keep up )

More power to the brawl community with MLG picking them up. More power to the melee community for keeping it alive after the sequel (it's not often that the old game manages to garner more attendance at a major tourney than the new one). Power to the hacking community for working so hard to improve a game (the stuff they've manage to do is pretty unreal)

Melee will be fine as long as we keep hosting tournaments and generating hype for them. Did you guys know that DaShizWiz, KeepSpeedin', and SmashMac (Shiz's two brothers) all came to NOOB1 last staturday? They've been retired since 07! (except Shiz who played a bit in 09). Rohins was visiting Florida FROM WASHINGTON and still showed up for this. I keep seeing guys I remember from back when I joined in 06 coming out of retirement, and at the same time I keep seeing new faces.

Like I fought this Samus players in pools and couldn't help thinking to myself "who the **** is Pwyduck. Man, I can't even spell his name." And to my surprise he was actually really good (for that matter, wtf is with all the new Samuses and Doctor Marios in Florida? I thought we were the space animal state )

Quit worrying so much. Just keep supporting the game and it won't die. Simple as that (and travel more, it's mad fun!)

 

[Scar]

it's funny bc so many of these posts have like good ideas but are hella misguided

MLG makes money off of the games with the most players, i doubt that they make money off of the entrants either, they make money off of the advertising and their sponsors. Melee has a proven lasting ability and i'm pretty sure that pound4 is excellent proof for that, some people may disagree but like idk how you can argue with the numbers

moose is hella funny thinking that melee as a community *****es and moans, all i see are the brawl kids saying wahhh why don't melee players respect us. melee doesn't give a **** about brawl bc we as a community have more self-respect than you guys do, not on a personal level but again as a community

also as far as i know we have just about no desire to "ride off of" brawl's popularity bc our game doesn't appeal to your playerbase at all

anyways the bottom line is that IMO this thread isn't really a great conversation, its assumptions are wrong so the conversation is a waste of time. i think that it is assuming that brawl and melee have anything in common (they really don't aside from the fact that they're part of the same series), and i think that it's assuming that melee as a community cares about what or how brawl is doing

i don't think that MLG is ignorant of the fact that there are two separate and thriving communities, so i think approaching them would probably be an effort in vain since they know the arguments for and against melee and there are probably things from a business perspective that we are failing to pinpoint.

quality of game imo is a nonfactor to MLG, lasting power probably is one though so i wouldn't be surprised if it was picked up again in the future, especially when there is an entirely new playerbase, which means new people for sponsors to be exposed to

 

[Dogysamich]

i'm not worried about it dogysammich, melee will be fine, WC melee is still really ****ing strong

idk how we can "step it up" any more besides the numbers we've been consistently pulling since brawl came out

Yeah, it'll be fine.

___

I was talkin to some people on aim about it, there are actually ways to build offa this (hell, there are ways to get more people period), but for this specifically, the fact remains that the people who like melee are going to stay.

If i question anything, it's the thing I've ALWAYS questioned. "How we gettin new people?"

 

[KirbyKaze]

Yes!!! Brawl. Gotta start training again

I think you should play Ice Climbers.

 

[ShootingStars]

Melee will survive for these reasons lol...

unlimited discs (Wii...)
controllers still in production
yup

 

[Majority]

Melee is too perfect in every conceivable way to die.

 

[Roneblaster]

worse comes to worse we can juss pick up brawl for a few months
become the 'best'
and sway the opinions of the mlg people after winning their brawl tournaments.

THIS! M2K be sure to win all the MLG Brawl Events and start preaching about how you don't practice brawl and only play the game for money!

Everyone pick up Brawl and play MK and camp/scrooge every player at every event. LOL

A viable alternative to M2K leading the charge.

do people simply not understand that mlg doesnt "quality test" their games or anything?
quality of games within a series is irrelavent to them

you think Halo 3 is better than halo 2? *laughs hysterically*

MLG doesnt give a flying **** about what game is supposedly better, they just go where the money is, and i can hardly blame them.
melee will never see mlg again thats all there is too it.

this is 100% true

Scar Says Smart Stuff Here..................then says
quality of game imo is a nonfactor to MLG, lasting power probably is one though so i wouldn't be surprised if it was picked up again in the future, especially when there is an entirely new playerbase, which means new people for sponsors to be exposed to

just to make it perfectly clear.

 

[Archangel]

hmmm. I think someone in the melee community should enter and rock a melee tag the whole time Just to prove a point. Someone who uses MK and can make it pretty far and probably win.....Do I know someone like that......hmmmmmm

 

[Charlesz]

I agree with vanitas cuz he's top 5 IC players in Canada.

 

[Moooose]

protip: no one cares what you think

aww that's sweet

moose is hella funny thinking that melee as a community *****es and moans

i'm pointing out that the number of people in this thread complaining about a good thing happening for brawl is quite high.

also it's alot easier for you to say "we don't need brawl" out in cali. over here the only melee tournaments i get to go to are combined brawl/melee events so a good thing for brawl isnt necessarily a bad thing for melee.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I liked Jam's first post on the front page.

Even if we can't get new players like brawl was, that doesn't mean we as a community have to abandon it. If anything, it should bring our community closer in trying to keep it alive.

Play Melee.