If there was ever a time that you wanted to save Melee, it better be now.

[thegreatkazoo]

If i question anything, it's the thing I've ALWAYS questioned. "How we gettin new people?"

A: "We're not."

Want proof? Check out the last 100 threads in the M&G and tell me how many Melee newbies you see. I can't even name one person in the last eight months from there (Melee wise) that actually has surfaced in some large tourney somewhere

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I technically could add myself to the list, but I don't think my skill level is worthy to do that.

Sorry to say, but our behavior as a collective community hasn't helped our case.

The best thing we can do is continue to perfect our Melee craft, and get others to notice in a civil fashion (because quite frankly, we've not been too good on that front.)

But until then...

Play Melee.

 

[Handorin]

I never posted in Meet and Great. >_>

I think the best way is just looking at our tournaments.

 

[thegreatkazoo]

I never posted in Meet and Great. >_>

I think the best way is just looking at our tournaments.

Duly noted, but why is it that every Brawl newblet and their mother post there?

(For the record, I did post in the M&G here.)

The entire way of how we bring in new talent to Melee needs to change. The M&G is just one way of how we could...

 

[Dark Sonic]

I joined in 06 and never posted in the meet and greet <_<. Actually, I don't think anyone in my crew did either.

My first post was in the Marth forums <_<

 

[KirbyKaze]

I think I first started posting in the Kirby boards.

 

[thegreatkazoo]

I joined in 06 and never posted in the meet and greet <_<. Actually, I don't think anyone in my crew did either.

My first post was in the Marth forums <_<

Point is still duly noted, but consider this:

Before 2008, the M&G was a place where Melee newblets went to post they were new to the world. Why is it that they don't now? What's changed?

I'll check up on this tomorrow...

 

[Quic]

Before I post an enormous rant I'm checking some facts, what was the biggest Brawl tournament ever? was it in fact genesis with it's 292 entrants?

 

[thegreatkazoo]

Before I post an enormous rant I'm checking some facts, what was the biggest Brawl tournament ever? was it in fact genesis with it's 292 entrants?

It's either that or Cot4 or APEX.

 

[Kanelol]

I never posted in Meet and Great. >_>

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[t3h Icy]

If MLG is running again but for Brawl, this will still help Melee and Smash in general. How many Melee players are being converted because of this? Not likely too many. How many newcomers are going to go to Brawl instead of Melee now? Likely quite a bit. How many players will be converted from Brawl to Melee or become aware of Melee through MLG. A lot.

This will help Melee, and for the Brawl haters, perhaps slow down interest once the brokenness becomes more apparent on a larger scale.

If the Melee community continues to have colossal tournaments like the RoM series, Genesis, Pound series, APEX and others, Melee will continue doing what it has been in the last few years. And it's not as if the game as stopped accelerating; before Summer 09, nobody would have fathomed a Peach destroying USA's top 3, we finally got to see an end to Mango's long chain of tournament wins and we've seen new levels of Jigglypuff, Link, Pikachu, Ganondorf and Sheik (among others). Melee is fine, and MLG won't do anything negative to Melee.

Melee overall just needs to continue growing and expanding. With APEX coming up, a large chunk of Europe is going, Canada, players from all over USA and many, many others. Armada did a really great thing opening up what's still out there in Melee, and Amsah supported that further. There are still many other players at incredible levels that have never competed against USA, Europe and other places such as Calle W, Javi, Twin, Dark, Dieslow (I think), and others.

Also as a Smasher for all the games, I think MLG could bring some interest in what Brawl could still become. Granted, most Melee players lock themselves in a basement at the words of Brawl, but there are many Melee/Brawl players and I think MLG could make Brawl somewhat more interesting. It's exciting that there are different people winning (ADHD, Ally, M2K), rather than the same guy everytime (Mango).

And if not and Brawl crashes and burns, then maybe Nintendo will actually put some heavier testing into the next Smash game that all three Smash communities can enjoy.

Why I like Brawl: Almost purely mindgames to win, different people take the top spot, larger selection of characters (more variety), you can learn a larger variety of characters at a high level.
Why I dislike Brawl: Mostly MKs, slower and not as combo-y as Melee, lots of abusable tactics.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Point is still duly noted, but consider this:

Before 2008, the M&G was a place where Melee newblets went to post they were new to the world. Why is it that they don't now? What's changed?

I'll check up on this tomorrow...

Brawl came out so they try brawl.

Then if they don't like it after a while they get frustrated and probably try melee, since us melee tards bash on brawl so much.

Then if they live in an upopulated melee area or don't like it they go to some other fighter like SF4 or something.


So new melee players don't post in the M&G section because new melee players are either old brawl players, or closet melee players that already knew about smashboards and play melee, but never joined for some reason.

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[Stev]

Why I like Brawl: Almost purely mindgames to win, different people take the top spot, larger selection of characters (more variety), you can learn a larger variety of characters at a high level.
Why I dislike Brawl: Mostly MKs, slower and not as combo-y as Melee, lots of abusable tactics.

uh...

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EDIT: I really don't see that many people converting from Brawl to Melee via MLG. If something's in MLG everyone thinks its better. It has a higher "status" because of the officialness of MLG. Would you rather say you play on the MLG circuit or you play at melee tournaments? Could you introduce them to the game? Sure. Convert? I don't really see it being very easy.

 

[Kanelol]

uh...

10 contradictions

I think he meant that MKs were mostly the reason he disliked Brawl, not MKs were the most played.

 

[t3h Icy]

uh...

10 contradictions

Variety as in what characters you see, though it is still mostly MK. MK, Snake, Diddy, Wario, Falco, G&W, Marth, DDD, and many other characters. MK is just used at a much higher percentage which is boring, but the spice of seeing all sorts of others is cool.

EDIT: Also learning other characters is easier because there's a limit to what you can do with them, so instead of being god with one or two characters in Melee, you can be quite good with half a dozen in Brawl which makes playing funner.

 

[Kmar]

Some thoughts:

- Everyone ought to know that MLG picks a game for the people watching rather than the people playing.

- The fact that newer games tend to be more popular does not prove that old games have no capacity for popularity. Look at Starcraft in Korea.

- Melee and Brawl are not the antitheses of each other. This is only an impression that people get when they view the opposite game from the microscopic lens of their own game. The success of one does not imply the failure of the other.

 

[Quic]

Some thoughts:

- Everyone ought to know that MLG picks a game for the people watching rather than the people playing.

Pound 4 livestream, over 1500(C at one point said over 2000) people were watching melee losers quarters's(Armada vs M2k), Brawl did not attract nearly as much.

 

[Vro]

I've talked to both Ally and M2K and they both hate brawl. I'm sure the sentiment runs thru most Brawl players. They find the game acceptable yet boring and just as a means of money. The MLG circuit will pay out huge and I hope the 16 "pros" that win first round or whatever speak up to MLG on how they hate the game. Hell, why won't they use the winnings to host more melee...

 

[t3h Icy]

I've talked to both Ally and M2K and they both hate brawl.

Rofl. That's awesome.

 

[Kmar]

Pound 4 livestream, over 1500(C at one point said over 2000) people were watching melee losers quarters's(Armada vs M2k), Brawl did not attract nearly as much.

Good example, and it may be that Melee has a larger hardcore audience than Brawl. However, I'd still argue that Brawl has a larger audience than Melee on the whole. Also, MLG has a greater capability of exposing their content to the newbies who may not have been in the know about the Pound 4 livestreams.

 

[Quic]

Good example, and it may be that Melee has a larger hardcore audience than Brawl. However, I'd still argue that Brawl has a larger audience than Melee on the whole. Also, MLG has a greater capability of exposing their content to the newbies who may not have been in the know about the Pound 4 livestreams.

I don't know if this is me being truthful or being biased as ****, but I just can't see casual brawlers see MLG tournies and go 'holy crap I want to be able to do that!' in the same way they did with Melee(when it was carried by MLG), let alone people who aren't interested/don't know about brawl,again, contarary to what melee did when it was carried, it was a crowd favorite, hell halo 3 fans still chant 'Roy's our boy' at one of their pros, guess where that came from XD

 

[Leviathan741]

I guess its good for brawl, but let it be known i'm an n64 and melee purist.....I HATE BRAWL...its so lame, but anyways, yeah m2k and all the pros really need to talk to mlg about putting melee back up, and who knows maybe the impossible will happen (Melee coming back, Ken coming back

 

[Dai Tian]

It would need to be overwhelming support from all of the top Brawl pros for something like that to happen though, and I don't see that a possibility. There's enough Brawl enthusiasts already planning to go that genuinely enjoy Brawl.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Levi, Ken likes Brawl, there is a VERY high chance he'll come back now the it's in MLG. He said he would if it did.

 

[Kanelol]

I wanna say that MLG lost a lot of credibility in my eyes today, but it's probably the more fiscally sound choice, not to mention this isn't the first time they've chosen an inferior sequel over a superior original. This whole controversy screams of Halo 2/Halo 3. (BTW, there's still a relatively large professional Halo 2 community, and H2/H3 are vastly less different than Melee/Brawl. Just something to think about.)

EDIT: This is officially a good thing if it means Ken's coming back

 

[`DNS`]

*Watches the infamous Pink Shinobi vs RockCrock game 3 Genesis match*

That's 1 match. During the pound4 stream, when they started streaming brawl I left, but when I came back to see if maybe it would be okay later, and the FIRST MATCH i saw (I think it was m2k vs [adhd?]) ended in a time out.

Here's my predictions:

1. Brawl kids don't travel, resulting in low attendance at many of the events (unlike Melee)
2. Everyone at MLG (like the Halo crowd) see Brawl being played, see how boring and slow it is (whereas the complete opposite happened with Melee).
3. Brawl is dropped next year.

I really like that Smash has returned to MLG, and I don't HATE Brawl, but I can't see this game surviving at MLG. Honestly, if Pound 4 has taught us anything, it's that Melee players WILL travel for big tourneys.

bah.

Yeah.. I can't see brawl staying in there for long..

I never posted in Meet and Great. >_>

I think the best way is just looking at our tournaments.

I didn't either.

Brawl came out so they try brawl.

Then if they don't like it after a while they get frustrated and probably try melee, since us melee tards bash on brawl so much.

Then if they live in an upopulated melee area or don't like it they go to some other fighter like SF4 or something.


So new melee players don't post in the M&G section because new melee players are either old brawl players, or closet melee players that already knew about smashboards and play melee, but never joined for some reason.

10logicalarguments

Yeah, that sounds about right..

 

[t3h Icy]

If Ken comes back to Melee, he'll get destroyed by the current level of players.

 

[Kanelol]

If Ken comes back to Melee, he'll get destroyed by the current level of players.

How do Jiggs/Marth fights go anyway, he could prolly give Mango the business

 

[Scar]

i have always planned on posting a n00b's guide to smash: the best way to actually compete in melee

i think it could help people feel like entry into the competitive community isn't the worst and most difficult thing to do in the entire world

 

[Nø Ca$h]

i hate capitalism

its time to crash some brawl tournaments

 

[ETWIST51294]

^^ I'm not gonna lie I'm pissed enough to do that.

 

[Dai Tian]

Haha. Honestly, there's no reason to crash the MLG scene. Given the nature of Brawl gameplay it'll be the same thing there that it's been outside of it: It'll either live or be destroyed by its own players.

i have always planned on posting a n00b's guide to smash: the best way to actually compete in melee

i think it could help people feel like entry into the competitive community isn't the worst and most difficult thing to do in the entire world

Go for it. Anything that eases the transition from "not so good" to "hey I have a chance here don't I?" would be welcome. Would be a great idea right now actually...

 

[BluePeachy100]

I was going to post a thread to help people who may feel discouraged about their smash game. Exclusive to Melee only, as well, does anyone think I should?

Either way, I do find this discouraging, people say it's for Smash in general, but I don't see anyway I can help Melee.

AW man, I didn't even see Scar's post. D:

Well, if we want to save Melee, firstly, things need to be changed.

I.E.

* We need a new **** tier list.(The factor of a changin tier list will show that the game is alive, and everchanging, rather than remaining stagnent)

* We NEED uhm.... what else do we need?

 

[SwastikaPyle]

This is good in my opinion.

A lot of player's get exposed to competitive melee through Brawl and switch over.

I bet the bigger Brawl gets, the bigger Melee will get.

 

[Kanelol]

i hate capitalism

its time to crash some brawl tournaments

I'm not even pissed but that would be ****ing hilarious

 

[Quic]

I'm not even pissed but that would be ****ing hilarious

Secretly putting in melee discs and just play in the tourney acting like nothing is up.

 

[Kanelol]

Secretly putting in melee discs and just play in the tourney acting like nothing is up.

I was thinking more along the lines of showing up wasted as **** and just start smashing Wii's with a baseball bat while chanting "Sakurai" in a Zombie-esque tone

 

[DoctorBendz]

The entire way of how we bring in new talent to Melee needs to change. The M&G is just one way of how we could...

I was going to post in M&G but there was a stickied thread that said it was being shut down and was decided that it was not a good way to introduce people to the community anymore... So I didn't.

Also,

So new melee players don't post in the M&G section because new melee players are ...closet melee players that already knew about smashboards and play melee, but never joined for some reason.

That sounds like me, although I'm terribad at this game.

If Ken comes back to Melee, he'll get destroyed by the current level of players.

I don't know why you're assuming that Ken has been sitting stagnant with no ability to improve his game for 4 years. Does retiring from smash ban you from internet videos of Melee and smashboards?

If he came back, he wouldn't play like he did then, there's no reason to think that he would.

 

[edgeluca]

This is stupid simply because Brawl was NOT meant to be competitive.
And sure, maybe Sakurai didn't intend it for melee either, But I played Brawl when it came out, and it is just NOT competitive.

 

[jugfingers]

I don't understand why people are so upset about this, the best melee players in the world still play melee.

theres still amazing players in every region all over planet earth.

mango still needs to be dethroned.

I don't think anyone plays melee for the money...lol

theres still going to be melee tournaments,

lots of people play alot of other games other than melee.

brawl is not the sequel to melee or anything like that, its just some silly scrub game that is popular with silly scrubs/

people will always play melee becase of its depth, I don't think brawl getting into mlg really means much to the melee community.

 

[Jonas]

If this seriously draws people away from Melee, it will mean that more will just play for the cash prizes, not because they think it's an awesome game. This is not a healthy thing for a fighting game community IMO