Tristan_win
Not dead.
...How do you link a bair into a grab?
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Got a question! Sheik Q&A & FAQ
- Thread starter saviorslegacy
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SuSa
Banned via Administration
Except it's easily DI'd out of and isn't a chaingrab.
Chaingrabs are inescapable.
Kholdstare
Nightmare Weaver
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thexsunrosered
Smash Lord
I was just about to ask o.o
EDIT: you probably shouldn't make it members only when it just started >.>
That is a "chaingrab," of sorts, though it relies on abuse of aerial footstools and the OTG forced wakeup mechanics.
Leafplayer452
Smash Journeyman
Hey guys Savior just said if I can link a bair from a fthrow quick enough, Fthrow ---> Bair ---> Bair ---> repeat is a chaingrab.
This also kinda seems a perfect setup for some ftilt locking
This also kinda seems a perfect setup for some ftilt locking
Haha, what?
Leafplayer452
Smash Journeyman
It might seem like a "Haha" at first, but really you should try this yourself Ankoku
Yeah, I'm running all sorts of simulations here, and the only time I can even connect fthrow to bair is if the opponent performs the wrong DI (toward and up) against the fthrow. If he has a fast aerial (like Peach's nair) then I can't do two bairs in a row without getting interrupted. So I'm really confused as to what the hell you're pulling off.
Keep in mind I've tried more of savior's stuff myself than I imagine savior has lately, given how he's "too busy to test" and all.
Keep in mind I've tried more of savior's stuff myself than I imagine savior has lately, given how he's "too busy to test" and all.
1nconspikuous
Smash Apprentice
quick question:
i've faced one sheik online that seemed to have no lag upon 'ground landing' the vanish (upB). i'm pretty sure it didn't have anything to do with online.
the sheik was able to vanish into the stage and immediately either spotdodge or dsmash, no landing lag. (i.e. i couldn't punish the vanish even though it was _super_ predictable.) is there an 'autocancel' for the vanish or something? IASA frames maybe?
i've faced one sheik online that seemed to have no lag upon 'ground landing' the vanish (upB). i'm pretty sure it didn't have anything to do with online.
the sheik was able to vanish into the stage and immediately either spotdodge or dsmash, no landing lag. (i.e. i couldn't punish the vanish even though it was _super_ predictable.) is there an 'autocancel' for the vanish or something? IASA frames maybe?
Judo777
Smash Master
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hang on run that by me i'm confused.
Ochobobo
Smash Lord
Is that done by doing a SH before vanishing or is it usually just when you recover back on stage
Legendary Pikachu
Smash Ace
Hi everybody. I met up with a shiek by the name of EAST last time at HERB 2 and it was a fun set of matches.
Anyways, the main reason i am visiting...
I was wondering if you guys could make use of this new AT with pikachu? I'm teaming with my bro (arc-thefallen-, plays Samus) and am going to advance the technique in the future. Here's the original post AND video! ^_^ enjoy!
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8104088&postcount=14
Anyways, the main reason i am visiting...
I was wondering if you guys could make use of this new AT with pikachu? I'm teaming with my bro (arc-thefallen-, plays Samus) and am going to advance the technique in the future. Here's the original post AND video! ^_^ enjoy!
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8104088&postcount=14
choknater
Smash Obsessed
hm i dont know if sheik's oos game is good enough to use that very well
maybe to fair really far, but she can just jump lol
maybe to fair really far, but she can just jump lol
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
Hey hey hey. I said that if you could link a Bair from a F-Throw using a dash dance it could be a chain grab. I done some testing and found out that the dash dance/b reversal needle's eat up as much time as it would to simply Fair the.
On that note, I did get training mode to register F-Throw> Fair at 0% as a true combo. If it is true then you could do something like F-Throw> Fair> Fair> f-tilt or F-Throw> Fair> F-tilt. That is without DI though.
ps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5HA-pb6rnM
That= **** for us.
All we need is to lat off the Needle's now and keep them for combo's like this.
Here is some more info that I did not put in that vid.
F-Smash second hit> TJL (around 20%)
Nair> TJL (around 40%)
Bair> TJL (around 50%)
Fair> TJL (around 60%)
Once more you can also do this.
Fair> TJL> Vanish combo (single Needle though)
(or)
Fair> TJL> perfect set up for decay> USmash
SinkingHigher
Smash Lord
Ohhhhh!!
REJOICE!!
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Anyway, Legendary Pikachu, sheik's OoS options are quite ****ty. If only she had Zelda's lightning kicks.
She could probably just gimp them or use an aerial needles. Otherwise a simple f-air would suffice but it would be difficult to time off a ledge out of a powershield.
I suppose it might give us an actual use for vanish glides, since they'll be distracted by the lightning.
That's a good find though. I'm sure many characters can get some significant benefits out of it.
REJOICE!!
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Anyway, Legendary Pikachu, sheik's OoS options are quite ****ty. If only she had Zelda's lightning kicks.
She could probably just gimp them or use an aerial needles. Otherwise a simple f-air would suffice but it would be difficult to time off a ledge out of a powershield.
I suppose it might give us an actual use for vanish glides, since they'll be distracted by the lightning.
That's a good find though. I'm sure many characters can get some significant benefits out of it.
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
If you said "Ohhhhh rejoice" about what I posted I am rather shocked.
Don't forget about her crazy repeating Fair's.
Also, you can tether, ledge drop and Bair while you still have invincibility frames. Very nice IMO.
Oh, and Needle Gliding fully charged Needle's is to sexy.
kingcobra9
Smash Ace
can you cancel dair so you don't have any or as much landing lag...
Tristan_win
Not dead.
I don't believe so.
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
>.>
If you count using it up really high so that the move ends and you land then yes.
If you want a cancel that makes you land with no lag then as far as we know she doesn't have one.
If you find one PM me cuz we would have a seriously killer combo.
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
Go into deeper detail please.
Uh, no you can't. You keep super-falling even after the aerial ends, though.
I'll post up a vid showing the different kinds (there are four) eventually. Like, when I'm back in America.
SinkingHigher
Smash Lord
i think it's like how its easier to land lightning kicks while moving forwards.
I think brawl registers the grab range as if you had finished the fox trot and THEN grabbed, when in actual fact you grabbed prematurely, and so the "grab box" so to speak gets stretched.
I think brawl registers the grab range as if you had finished the fox trot and THEN grabbed, when in actual fact you grabbed prematurely, and so the "grab box" so to speak gets stretched.
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to, but I've never heard of the behavior that SinkingHigher described. Can you elaborate, please?
SinkingHigher
Smash Lord
In the off chance that was directed at me, on the Zelda boards people have been finding ways to connect lightning kicks easier. It seems that the chance of connecting a lightning kick goes up about 3 times or so when you fastfall the kick. In a typical SH f-air/b-air the spot where zelda sweetspots the kick stays generally in the same place but if you fastfall it there seems to be multiple locations where a sweetspot will connect.
Basically it seems to me that (fast) movement causes some kind of manipulation to the hitbox size and duration with certain moves.
My theory (a simple theory with no factual basis) was that when you do a dash grab causing the range of the grab to almost double (as I believe the discovery went) it's because of mechanics similar to zelda's lightning kick fast falls -- the tip of the kick, just like the reach of the grab, gets registered from more than one location, thus increasing the range.
But for SL to have agreed with me, I'm almost 100% sure I'm wrong.
Basically it seems to me that (fast) movement causes some kind of manipulation to the hitbox size and duration with certain moves.
My theory (a simple theory with no factual basis) was that when you do a dash grab causing the range of the grab to almost double (as I believe the discovery went) it's because of mechanics similar to zelda's lightning kick fast falls -- the tip of the kick, just like the reach of the grab, gets registered from more than one location, thus increasing the range.
But for SL to have agreed with me, I'm almost 100% sure I'm wrong.
...Huh. I've heard of hitboxes "dragging" in Melee, but what you're describing sounds closer to hitbox extrapolation. Silly Havok Engine. I'll have to verify that sometime.
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
Just look at the pivot grab. It is a perfect example of a stretched hit box.
When you perform the the grab the hit box starts at a certain point and you slide stretching it out.
I have never heard of stretching a hit box by FF. I wonder what this does for Sheiks Bair.
When you perform the the grab the hit box starts at a certain point and you slide stretching it out.
I have never heard of stretching a hit box by FF. I wonder what this does for Sheiks Bair.
SinkingHigher
Smash Lord
*sinking catches a whiff of a guaranteed lock*
kingcobra9
Smash Ace
about how many sheiks are on these forums
SinkingHigher
Smash Lord
That are worth mentioning? About 4.
Otherwise, about 10-15 somewhat frequent posters.
Otherwise, about 10-15 somewhat frequent posters.