Ganondorf Board's Question & Answer Thread.

[Kewkky]

Serious question!

What's stronger... A fully-charged fsmash, an utilt, or a Warlock Punch?

 

[Noobicidal]

Serious question!

What's stronger... A fully-charged fsmash, an utilt, or a Warlock Punch?

Warlock Punch. The difference between the three is astronomical if you include the reversed aerial WLP.

 

[Kewkky]

Warlock Punch. The difference between the three is astronomical if you include the reversed aerial WLP.

Yeowch.

Someone on the Kirby boards said that this would be a very sexy combo in a teams battle: "With ganon as your partner, kirby dthrow -> aerial gerudo -> jab lock -> Fsmash, warlock punch, or utilit = ****", and I wondered which was actually the better option...

About at how much % would you be able to kill Snake from the center of FD with no DI with a reversed aerial WLP? (or some other way of measuring the power, I'm good with any info)

 

[Ganonsburg]

I'd say that despite the damage, Utilt may be better. It'll stop the momentum of the Fsmash, and the opponent will be locked in it. That means more room for error. I'd just need to make sure the opponent doesn't tech or roll. I'd say the rolling is more dangerous than the teching.

 

[Kewkky]

I'd say that despite the damage, Utilt may be better. It'll stop the momentum of the Fsmash, and the opponent will be locked in it. That means more room for error. I'd just need to make sure the opponent doesn't tech or roll. I'd say the rolling is more dangerous than the teching.

Tech what (is aerial sideB techable?)? What fsmash? o_o

"Kirby dthrow > Ganon Aerial sideB > Kirby jablock > Ganon fsmash/utilt/WLP"

And if you know, I'd like to know how strong reverse aerial WLP is, please. Can you compare it to something?

 

[Clai]

Tech what (is aerial sideB techable?)? What fsmash? o_o

"Kirby dthrow > Ganon Aerial sideB > Kirby jablock > Ganon fsmash/utilt/WLP"

And if you know, I'd like to know how strong reverse aerial WLP is, please. Can you compare it to something?

I think what he meant to say is that Kirby jablock -> forced getup -> Kirby f-smash -> Ganon u-tilt would be the best option since the windboxes of Ganon's U-tilt cancel out the momentum of the opponent being sent flying from Kirby's F-smash and send the opponent straight to the ground. However, the opponent can tech the ground once he reaches it.

An aerial Reverse Warlock Punch can kill Mario from the center of FD at 7%. However, the fact that you have to basically do a FoG and then pull off the reverse Warlock Punch makes it take way too long for it to be effective. If you can manage a jab lock while Ganon's setting that up, though, gg.

 

[Ganonsburg]

Oh, haha. That's a really bad misread. Well, Reverse aerial WLP does something like 42% damage, iirc. So take the fact that it(non-aerial non-reversed) kills most people at 30%, and you could probably start the combo at any percent.

 

[Kewkky]

An aerial Reverse Warlock Punch can kill Mario from the center of FD at 7%.

Ahahaha, how ********! O_O

But if we need a successful FoG to do it, then which is better... A normal WLP, charged fsmash, or utilt? So far Ganonsburg has told me WLP... Does anyone have a different opinion?

If not, thanks! Pulling this off in a match would be ****ing awesome. :D

 

[Ganonsburg]

Succesful FoG-RAWP
Non-successful-RWP

Depending on the ceiling and whether your opponent has good momentum cancels, you may also want to consider Ganon's Usmash.

And of course you could replace jab lock with Kirby's Fsmash (or jab lock into smash, if possible), then utilt.

But if you can get WP, there's nothing that looks cooler than it. Get Kirby to copy Ganon, and then double WP them if you get the chance (which you probably won't).

 

[Shortkirby]

How do you make ganondorf's d-air lagless?

 

[Kewkky]

How do you make ganondorf's d-air lagless?

Dair AS SOON AS you full-hop.

 

[Raikou_Cypher]

Ganon's side-b is never techable, it'd be useless if you could tech out of it. As for which of Ganon's numerous murder techniques is better, it just depends on how flashy you want to be. The kirby fsmash -> utilt catch is the coolest if your victim doesn't tech imo XD But warlock punch is by far the most reliable. A fully charged fsmash angled up can get pretty ugly... though I'm betting warlock punch won't be decayed. <.<

That combo should ko anyone from 0% with the Murder Fist (Warlock Punch).


and @shortkirby: If you're talking about his SH auto-cancel then...dair as soon as possible? You'll know you did it right when you get it >.>

 

[fromundaman]

Dair AS SOON AS you short-hop.

fixed.

10fixed's

 

[Noobicidal]

Ganon's side-b is never techable unless you're a balloon made out of pure awesome.

Fixed.

10fixes

 

[smashkng]

I never fail to Autocancel Short Hop dairs, although I initially had problems with it. IMO Utilt is a better move than WP because it has a lot more range (which is disjointed) and way less cooldown. It also ***** shields.

 

[AyatoK26]

Too lazy to check myself but is ganon the only character in the game who has lag after a fully double hopped f-air?

 

[Hobs]

Too lazy to check myself but is ganon the only character in the game who has lag after a fully double hopped f-air?

If you time it right, and get the max out of the 2 jumps, there won't be ending lag. But by then, the move is completely and utterly useless. A better way to use fair is to ff with it, because you're gonna end up with lag anyways if you hit.

 

[Superspright]

Nah, the best is first hit of nair. You FF the nair. It's better than fair--and almost no landing lag.

 

[Dre89]

This may sound like a wierd question but when Gdorf is on the ground what is his fastest option to attack someone behind him (including reverse wizkick and reverse dtilt, and dsmash if you can reverse that too).

I'm guessing people are just going to suggest to do a retreating aerial or something like that though.

 

[A2ZOMG]

I'll spotdodge and turnaround grab against people who end up behind me.

 

[@HomE]

run away... or TS away... just get the fark away..

 

[Sovereign]

Dair, backwards. People tend to believe that being behind Ganon is checkmate, but Dair, backwards thwarts all plans, if they make any grounded attacks, against you.

 

[fromundaman]

Except you know, if it's faster than dropping your shield (If and when that's the case, which odds are it will be), jumping, then doing a Dair, then it won't work as well, though I guess that is the best option.

 

[Sovereign]

Well... I also do a retreating Uair, which ***** into a Flame Choke. I've yet to see anyone escape it.

 

[Terra~]

Should I use Ganon as my low tier main? Simple question! Yes or no

 

[fromundaman]

Not if you want to win.

 

[Sovereign]

Should I use Ganon as my low tier main? Simple question! Yes or no

Yes. You learn things from playing with Ganon. He develops your reading skills.

 

[mars16]

So Like.......

Who's the best Ganandorf?

Maybe because of there tournament results or whatever... just asking

 

[PhantomX]

Inui is the best Ganondorf.

 

[TP]

And he always will be.

 

[Z1GMA]

God I wish Bandy would be included in the Winter Olympics.
Sweden ***** at Bandy.

 

[PhantomX]

Bandy isn't even a real word, get out of here. You guys are good at Brandy (drinking)

 

[Z1GMA]

Bandy isn't even a real word, get out of here. You guys are good at Brandy (drinking)

I guess "Smorgasbord" isn't either? lmao
Worst Loan-word-fail ever.

EDIT: I just noticed I'm posting in the wrong thread >_>
I thought I were in the Ganon Social.

 

[Dre89]

Hey guys I'm looking for a new main and I'm really considering Gdorf but first I have a ton of questions-

How do you approach projectile campers? Particularly Oli and Falco.

Should Gdorf ever spotdodge/rolldodge/airdodge?

What should I start practicing? (Without anyone else, ie. training mode against a cpu).

What is the best control scheme for Gdorf? TJ on or off? I don't really want people to say it's personal preference, it's gonna be ages before I take Gdorf to a tourney so I've got plenty of time to adjust lol.

Is there also different button configurations that are of use (eg. R to jump)?

Which is better, t-sticking or c-sticking? T-sticking gives you reverse jab, dtilt and utilt (not that you'd wanna do that), whilst retaining iDA and aerials. So is t-sticking better or does c-sticking have some invaluable applications?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Dre89]

Bump, someone please answer my questions lol.

 

[@HomE]

Hey guys I'm looking for a new main and I'm really considering Gdorf but first I have a ton of questions-

How do you approach projectile campers? Particularly Oli and Falco.

Should Gdorf ever spotdodge/rolldodge/airdodge?

What should I start practicing? (Without anyone else, ie. training mode against a cpu).

What is the best control scheme for Gdorf? TJ on or off? I don't really want people to say it's personal preference, it's gonna be ages before I take Gdorf to a tourney so I've got plenty of time to adjust lol.

Is there also different button configurations that are of use (eg. R to jump)?

Which is better, t-sticking or c-sticking? T-sticking gives you reverse jab, dtilt and utilt (not that you'd wanna do that), whilst retaining iDA and aerials. So is t-sticking better or does c-sticking have some invaluable applications?

Thanks in advance.

Oli and Falco are gay, you walk and powershield as much as possible... really walking PS is the best approach.

never spotdodge Ganon has no options after, airdodging is key, only roll away from people, Ganon's back roll is very good use it.

I practiced fighting cpus when i didnt have anyone to play with, but really people are by the best way to practice. i enjoy spikeing cpus tho..

I use tap jump off

X to Grab

R to attack


Cstick all the way, search for salmon smash and you will see you (or stutter step Fsmash)


Blam

 

[Dre89]

Thanks, what's R to attack for?

 

[@HomE]

DACUS for snake.. i found out i only shield with L and didnt want R to go to waste... I honestly don't think i use R with Ganon..

but it makes DACUS a breeeeeze

In fact i dont use R or Z.....

without X set to grab i cant really play..

The Z button is just soo sketchy.... >_>

one thing that i thought was reallly sweet vs CPU's... get them onto the edge and if they jump from the ledge you can jump RIGHT before them and Down-B spike them to hell.... in theory you can Down-B spike anyone that jumps from the ledge but you have to be standing pretty close to the edge and no one is really stupid enough to just jump right into ganon...

 

[A2ZOMG]

Hey guys I'm looking for a new main and I'm really considering Gdorf but first I have a ton of questions-

How do you approach projectile campers? Particularly Oli and Falco.

Okaay here is how you approach Olimar. You walk up to your opponent and threaten to kick them in the face if they don't forfeit the match. Just kidding of course.

But seriously....if the Olimar is good, there really isn't anything you can do at all to get in. Wizkick can be used to go over his grab if he is stupid, and you have to bait him a lot with your double jump, and that's pretty much all you can do. Flame Choke D-smash combos on Olimar although keep in mind he can DI up to escape the 2nd hit, so if he holds the control stick up a lot when you Flame Choke, you can then abuse this by thunderstorming his standup. Assuming of course you ever land Flame Choke.

Falco, powershield lasers and Sideb a lot, or deliberately get hit by them so that you incur enough damage to avoid his chaingrab. And I guess do your best to outspace him when you get close.

Should Gdorf ever spotdodge/rolldodge/airdodge?

Spotdodge is nearly useless, and usually puts you in a bad position. Spotdodge is only good if you have no other fast options for avoiding a grab I guess, but you can almost never attack out of spotdodge since all of Ganon's attacks are slow. Spotdodge -> grab at point blank range is the best application of spotdodge. Spotdodge Jab works occasionally but most of the time shielding -> Jab is more reliable.

Ganon has good rolls, and he actually rolls faster than he runs.

SH airdodging is pretty useful for Ganon and worthwhile to use for approaches, since he doesn't have much else that is better usually.

What should I start practicing? (Without anyone else, ie. training mode against a cpu).

Learn to buffer autocancels, Flame Choke combos, learn how to space F-smash, practice juggles and edgeguards, learn the spacing for wizkick cancel.

What is the best control scheme for Gdorf? TJ on or off? I don't really want people to say it's personal preference, it's gonna be ages before I take Gdorf to a tourney so I've got plenty of time to adjust lol.

Tap Jump on makes it easier to Upsmash or Up-B out of shield, which are both mostly useless for Ganon. You can go ahead and turn it off, although honestly, it doesn't make a huge difference either way.

Is there also different button configurations that are of use (eg. R to jump)?

I set X to specials (I always jump with Y). What this lets me do is buffer low level aerial Flame Chokes and the flight of Ganon AT very easily.

Which is better, t-sticking or c-sticking? T-sticking gives you reverse jab, dtilt and utilt (not that you'd wanna do that), whilst retaining iDA and aerials. So is t-sticking better or does c-sticking have some invaluable applications?

C sticking makes it MUCH easier to stutter step F-smash, which is quite useful.

T-sticking isn't necessary. All you need to do is learn how to lightly tilt the control stick while pressing A to properly buffer tilts.

 

[Dre89]

Thanks but why would you want to buffer an aerial flame choke? I thought it was always better to land a grounded one, unless you're trying to bait a GUA so you can DJ dair.

Also, when you say that wizkick can be used to go over his grab, do you mean that I should approach from the air and then wizkick down onto him if he grabs, or are you saying that grounded wizkick beats out his grab.