Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[the real jman]

U guys r so good with fox and no so much teach me the ways plz

 

[voorhese]

ok, the 1st step to placing well in a tourney is to wake up in time for the tourney =)

 

[PK Webb]

I just want jman to teach me how to nair and laser alot

 

[Bones0]

shield pressure is literally rock paper scissors.

 

[voorhese]

How is it not?

 

[Europhoria]

Get faster.

 

[voorhese]

I would like a real post telling me how shield pressure isn't rock paper scissors.

 

[rokimomi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLqjtXb1EvQ&feature=g-all-u
lmao lovage, have you ever beaten someone notable playing like this before?

 

[Bones0]

I would like a real post telling me how shield pressure isn't rock paper scissors.

Shield pressure has way more than 3 possible scenarios... Not only do you have a lot of different timings, but you have different move choices, different actions to take when you land (shine/jab to protect yourself, grab, dash away, dash through them, etc), and different spacings for all of that. Even something as simple as pressuring on the back of someone's shield instead of the front or pressuring them by the ledge or on a platform instead of in the center of the stage completely changes the types of options each player can utilize or expect from their opponent.

So yeah, shield pressure is not literally RPS.

 

[voorhese]

Well if you want to sound real smart and just assume that I was implying that shield pressure has the same amount of scenarios AS rock paper scissors, please be smart enough to realize rock paper scissors has more than three also...

I was not implying that, I was implying that nothing is perfect, and you have to consistently change your shield pressure to be effective.

 

[Lovage]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLqjtXb1EvQ&feature=g-all-u
lmao lovage, have you ever beaten someone notable playing like this before?

i'll play however the **** i want

 

[KirbyKaze]

Lovage is a boss.

 

[rokimomi]

lulz, I remember a certain other peach match being played out like this, every hit was calling the other player a b****

 

[omgwtfToph]

"Shield pressure is rock paper scissors" implies that shield pressure is a straight guessing game (i.e. 100% prediction, 0% reaction) in which both the pressurer and the pressuree (forgive my English) have equal chances of success. This is wrong for 2 reasons: 1. there's a heavy reaction element involved; you can bait mistakes out of the opponent (and even that is an oversimplification), and 2. shield pressure done well favors the person executing the shield pressure.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I would add that in RPS the reward for using any option is the same as using any other option at least in theory. But the rewards for hitting different things vary during shield pressure, which tweaks the risk-reward model of using each option.

 

[Bones0]

Well if you want to sound real smart and just assume that I was implying that shield pressure has the same amount of scenarios AS rock paper scissors, please be smart enough to realize rock paper scissors has more than three also...

I was not implying that, I was implying that nothing is perfect, and you have to consistently change your shield pressure to be effective.

If you say something is literally something else, that usually means they're identical (Falco's bair is literally the same as Fox's bair, Luigi's misfire is literally random). And I obviously was talking about options per player, not overall scenarios. If you just said that they were similar because some options counter others, then I wouldn't have disagreed at all, but comparing it to a guessing game is really misleading.

Whatever, this is a dumb disagreement.

 

[leffen]

Shield pressure is just a mixup... its what most sane people call it>_>

 

[voorhese]

The reaction argument makes a big difference, I agree there. I guess I just need to work more on my shield pressure. I focus a lot on prediction and mixing it up. In that aspect I find it similar to rps, but I guess I just suck at shield pressure. Glad I had this discussion with you guys.

 

[the real jman]

ok, the 1st step to placing well in a tourney is to wake up in time for the tourney =)

Lmfaooo I really laughed hard at this one

Just brought me back to pound 4 lmaooo good one

 

[Van.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeZ1MxqrV2k&feature=youtu.be

Van vs. Harriet the Guy

I'd like a critique and general advice in the matchup if its not too much of a bother

 

[ShroudedOne]

Rusty Lovage is immensely entertaining.

 

[Divinokage]

Well also playing 100% consistent in tournament is ******** hard.. sometimes you'll get 1 bad game.. sometimes you'll get 2 in a row.. you never know.

 

[Dr Peepee]

it should never be a whole game if you're training correctly

that's 4 tries in one game with multiple exchanges per try where is your mind for all of that

 

[Divinokage]

Maybe if you are too good sure.. That insane consistency can only be done by you guys. Those multiple exchanges can end up really bad on a lot of the occasions.

 

[Dr Peepee]

tsk tsk kage! anyone can do it with the proper training/mentality!

 

[Divinokage]

Maybe but you also add the character to the equation, it's not limitless unlike in RL where you are only limited by you.

 

[Dr Peepee]

preparation/mentality can also cover character choice, if you think that holds you back =)

alternate response: THAT DON'T MATTA

 

[DerfMidWest]

Uncle kevin how do I train my mentality properly?

 

[Divinokage]

preparation/mentality can also cover character choice, if you think that holds you back =)

alternate response: THAT DON'T MATTA

Well I'll just take a top tier and win with a bit of practice. =)

 

[Meneks]

I would like a real post telling me how shield pressure isn't rock paper scissors.

Well maybe it is for you since you're probably trying random things to get out of shield pressure..

It really isnt rps

 

[S l o X]

now that we've heard bones0 opinion on shield pressure lets get strawhats

@strawhats
black steve
namesearchsteve
black sleeve
the blackest man alive

 

[PGH Carroll]

Well guys.. My controller sucks now.
New controller.. Back to marth.
It's been real. <3

 

[~Tac~]

No worries. Play fox for an hour and your new joystick will fall off again, just like a normal fox controller.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Might as well play Falco.

 

[Bones0]

now that we've heard bones0 opinion on shield pressure lets get strawhats

@strawhats
black steve
namesearchsteve
black sleeve
the blackest man alive

Shield pressure sucks. We should all just grab, but it's too much fun to bounce on top of shields.

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

Shield pressure sucks. We should all just grab, but it's too much fun to bounce on top of shields.

You mean shine grab? Wouldn't a grab be one of the best payoffs, maybe even the best? I mean what can they do?

 

[the real jman]

Well guys.. My controller sucks now.
New controller.. Back to marth.
It's been real. <3

Controller don't matter at all I play with who ever gives me 1 everytime I play smash

 

[PGH Carroll]

I'm just making a buch of little mistakes on what seems to be every action. I'm not playing the way I usualy/want to play. It's mad dumb. It's more the frame of my top then anything I think that I'm not used to.

 

[Stijn]

What should I do after I shined Marth? Usually I do Down-tilt or Nair but it does not always connect.
And what is Fox's approach other than Nair or JC Grab? And how do I laser Marth without getting punished for it? I always get combo'd consistently but this is probably the knowledge I lack.

 

[Van.]

I can't get shine-->side B to work on luigi in training mode. Do you shine, jump, side B, or shine, WD, side B? How close to perfect do you have to be?