Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Sinji]

Ah.

Thanks for the advice lovage.

 

[lord karn]

lol lasers are definitely the ****in beez, i just wouldn't recommend them to anyone unless they're super comfortable with fox's movement already because they're gonna get ****stomped if they try to laser at awful times.

Yeah, I completely agree. Whenever I lose to a peach or jigglypuff I feel likeere it's because I didn't run away early enough and started to laser (or on a level where I can't camp).


There's an interesting edgeguard vs. peach that I use that I haven't seen any other fox use. When she's coming down with the parasail, jump out there somewhere below and in front of her (it's hard to describe the exact spacing) and just float in your shine. Once she falls toward you, you can jump out of your shine and shine again. Keep doing this and eventually she can't recover. If she doesn't go forward and goes down instead, you can usually turn around in the shine and bair, or you can jump back to the stage and then get on the ledge.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Don't necessarily "camp" him, but stay out of his range, throw out a laser and look for an opening in his response.

 

[omgwtfToph]

There's an interesting edgeguard vs. peach that I use that I haven't seen any other fox use. When she's coming down with the parasail, jump out there somewhere below and in front of her (it's hard to describe the exact spacing) and just float in your shine. Once she falls toward you, you can jump out of your shine and shine again. Keep doing this and eventually she can't recover. If she doesn't go forward and goes down instead, you can usually turn around in the shine and bair, or you can jump back to the stage and then get on the ledge.

I am visualizing this in my head and it seems KOOL

imma try it

 

[Deleted member]

lasering without the MU exp is definitely a bad idea, but platform camping is a little bit less MU specific and i think it's okay to use in weird matches as long as you know how to platform camp properly against other characters. you can make small changes to adapt as you see them mid-match.

also, toph played clutch as **** vs kk/vanz in teams. those matches are hype.

 

[lord karn]

I am visualizing this in my head and it seems KOOL

imma try it

It's worked on every peach I've played (Dop, DoH, Mike G) when she is in that position, which comes up relatively frequently.

 

[JPOBS]

Am I the only one who thinks lasers are really overrated? Being a Falco main, I love just running around spamming lasers whenever I get the chance, but I can't help feeling that I'm better off just straight up spacing. Even vs. slow floaties like Jiggs, that extra 5% just seems so negligible when compared to the potential damage and positioning advantage of getting a solid hit. Obviously if they are just straight up camping across the stage and you want them to approach lasering makes sense, but assuming they are within range for you to threaten each other, is there really a good reason to use lasers?

One situation I do think I could make an exception for is when characters are recovering and you can land like 4-5 lasers on them just because the damage is decent enough, and vs. characters like Peach/Jiggs you aren't really going to be trying to edgehog them anyway (assuming they were able to DI high).

I said a long time ago that laser's are falco's greatest weakest. I had a relatively large post about how falco is at his weakest point while lasering etc

so yea, i agree.

edit: what the fuq i thought this was the falco boards. i need stop posting while hungover/drunk

 

[ShroudedOne]

I main Peach, and I think Falco's lasers are really overrated by the community overall.

I remember your post, JPOBS. I remember agreeing with it.

Of course, they allow you to control your opponent from across the screen (to an extent), so they're not bad, but they're not OP, either.

 

[weon - X]

lasering close is bad

 

[Strong Badam]

lol i love it when bad foxes try to laser camp

 

[Silent Wolf]

I main Peach, and I think Falco's lasers are really overrated by the community overall.

I remember your post, JPOBS. I remember agreeing with it.

Of course, they allow you to control your opponent from across the screen (to an extent), so they're not bad, but they're not OP, either.

lol falcos lasers are amazing. foxs are often overrated, but falcos are really good if you use them well.

 

[Brookman]

Lasering close is ****ING LEGIT. NOOBS!!!!

 

[Deleted member]

lasers are definitely NOT overrated. lasers are the reason 2/3rds of the stages are banned, auto-win vs some characters, and define an essential part of your camping game. the current rule set and character preference make them less useful for the metagame, but that's only because they have already shaped the metagame itself.

 

[PGH Carroll]

teh spamerer for best fox of all time<3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ8l-XQQ1Yg

 

[Bing]

also, toph played clutch as **** vs kk/vanz in teams. those matches are hype.

Just watched this set the other day, true statement is true.

Lasering close is ****ING LEGIT. NOOBS!!!!

Especially standing lasers yo!

 

[omgwtfToph]

haha I actually wasn't playing clutch at all. I was nervous off my **** and playing terribly (from a singles point of view), hands were shaking and everything. I think the main thing I did right that set was paying attention to Sheridan so we could get rests and stuff (aka paid attention to strategy).

 

[Bones0]

Are you talking about the WR1 Apex set?

 

[unknown522]

lol i love it when bad foxes try to laser camp

I love when foxes in general try to laser camp. Gives me a free win.

assuming it's tourney, cuz either way it's not fun.

 

[Sinji]

I only like laser camping against peach because her mobility is slow.

I never try to camp any other character though. It would mess up my train of thought especially when fighting a fast characters like in fox dittos. I see M2k do it a lot in fox dittos. I don't know how he manages lol.

 

[Bing]

I'm trying to learn how to laser effectively without negatively effecting my playstyle.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I love when foxes in general try to laser camp. Gives me a free win.

assuming it's tourney, cuz either way it's not fun.

You only play fast characters and/or Falco >_>

 

[knightpraetor]

personally i don't care that much whether the fox laser camps (when I"m marth) cause usually they are giving up stage control for a measly few percent, which doesn't seem worth it....it's ok to throw in the occasional laser when the range is too high or the marth is just standing at the edge away from you though...no reason to approach the edge if you don't need to..but i would rather personally just take more stage and then dashdance since then i have room to run away if i need to.

 

[Brookman]

Lasering well is hard. Therefore, and with varying reason, people don't develop it.

 

[Bing]

I dont really see why a Fox would laser camp a Marth, they can just take stage control... not to mention if they camp they're putting themself at a disadvantage...

 

[L__]

well if you're ahead and you laser marth they're only falling behind more

and if they dont want 999% then they're gonna approach

or something

hitting from across the stage is p good

safe dmg ezmode

lots of fox players just suck once they get just outside ur range cuz they still laser in an unsafe spot or dont realize the opponent is shutting down your options with subtle nuances

iono

maybe lasering sucks and everyone should just go ham

 

[Bing]

Well I mean if you're on one side they're on the other side, or they recovering then yeah by all means fire away, its just knowing when to put the gun away and get back on them.

I dont think laser camping to get further ahead is ever a good idea really(refering to against Marth) I mean, you only get a few percent per landed laser. Plus once they get in tight, maybe land a grab or a fair. That lead that you just "Built" can disappear mighty quick.

 

[Silent Wolf]

if marth is doing nothing but waiting then lasers are good cuz its hard to get in. you really dont want to overuse them vs marth tho. especially if theres a chance hell be able to reach you cuz youre lasering too often. theyre good as a mix up. cuz if all youre doing is one or the other or one too often, it will likely turn out bad for you.

edit: yo sinji you aint lovage. change that ****

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

hi guys, i have a fox avatar too!

 

[Sinji]

^ Haha. I remember when I had that avatar,

Then I grew up to an adult fox lol.

 

[Spyro]

I thought Sinji was Lovage for a minute cause I was looking at the avatar lol

 

[Smooth Criminal]

It's ****ing Panda Time.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Sinji had this avatar once? Time to change...


edit-- ahh much better

 

[Sinji]

I thought Sinji was Lovage for a minute cause I was looking at the avatar lol

Good to be back under the bandages.

 

[MarsFool!]

wTF this thread xD

 

[Smooth Criminal]

wTF this thread xD

WTF you, Mars.

Emphasis on the "eff you."

Smooth Criminal

 

[MarsFool!]

QQ My feel bro

 

[lord karn]

Well I mean if you're on one side they're on the other side, or they recovering then yeah by all means fire away, its just knowing when to put the gun away and get back on them.

I dont think laser camping to get further ahead is ever a good idea really(refering to against Marth) I mean, you only get a few percent per landed laser. Plus once they get in tight, maybe land a grab or a fair. That lead that you just "Built" can disappear mighty quick.

Sometimes lasers can be really legit vs marth. If he's on one side of the level, go stand under the other platform (but closer to the inside of the stage). Start short hop double lasering (or single I guess) and wait for marth to move. He's going to have to move towards you. When you see him move, jump onto the platform. Most marth's will see this as an opening (as marth is really good when people are above him. He'll probably do one of two things. Run towards you and jump with a fair or nair, or run and stand under the platform to force you to move. What you need to do is when you see him jump towards you, immediately jump to the top platform. Depending on what he does you can react accordingly. If he goes through with the fair/nair, drop through the platform and nair/bair him (depending on exactly where he is). If he sees you jump up and uses his second jump to chase you, just run away and jump. You'll just end up on the other side of the stage, back where you started. Of course, if you start using this semi-often, you will condition the marth to expect you're retreat, and then you can mix it up and catch him off guard when he runs towards you. The faster the reaction time of the marth, the less well this works and the larger the stage the better it works as well.

You can use this same tactic, to much much better success against jiggs and peach. This is why they essentially can't catch you on dreamland. I've nearly timed out several jiggs/peaches on dreamland, and in fact only took about sixty damage against one jiggs (unfortunately two of those were rests that killed me, but I got really stupid when he was invincible).

 

[Bing]

Now Im saying its bad to camp.. not bait. Laser baiting against Marth, Fine provided you're smart with it. Against Floaties, even better they're slow as **** and... Floaty.

Now to what you said about moving from side to side lasering, to top platform etc etc. I dont see myself doing this against Marth because for one. I like to play aggro and not rely on them making an assumption based on the fact I just laser camped him. 2. I like to play aggro.

 

[lord karn]

Yeah, I play really defensive by nature, which is why I love platforms.

 

[Bing]

I love platforms too, I just prefer to **** from platform to platform