Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[KirbyKaze]

Up throw combo is gay. Try to SDI the up tilt in a random direction to escape the death grab (or force him to tip it). DI in the direction he's swinging his sword, don't let him do the reverse thing. Slight DIs are your friend.

Avoid grab via spacing and not messing up technical skill. Don't get knocked over. Don't get hit by up air for jumping over him at low percents. Don't get hit by fairs. Don't get dash attacked. Buffer roll after being down tilted. And so forth.

 

[Bones0]

Playing Marth is weird compared to most characters because he's usually looking for grabs much more often than other characters. If he is just DDing/WDing back and grabbing your aerials, be more patient with DDing yourself and approach with grounded shines more instead of jumping. Double jumping out of a SH approach is also great at baiting grabs, and you just land right on top of them after they whiff. It can be a bit risky though, so use it sparingly/with wavelands on the top platform. DIing behind Marth's utilt is HUGE. Missing it leads to huge combos and easy gimps so always be aware of the risk of them throwing out utilts when you approach, especially after they land with another aerial (like they will do a fair by the ledge to make you think he's vulnerable then utilt immediately after and you miss the DI and get daired).

 

[Strong Badam]

if they pivot grab perfectly you can't shine out.

don't get grabbed :3

 

[KirbyKaze]

Fox needs to use a lot of... spacing... to beat Marth.

 

[Aefice]

im planning to study fox history.

could someone give me timeline of the old great fox players -> the new great fox players?

then i'll check out all the players on youtube.

thanks.

 

[Bones0]

Chillin, Korean DJ, M2K, PC Chris, Jman, Mango, Javi

 

[Beat!]

Chillin
M2K
Pc Chris
Jman
Lucky
Zgetto
Mango
Lovage
leffen
Javi

etc


Edit: **** forgot Javi

 

[Bones0]

I forgot a lot of the people you mentioned, including M2K. LOL

 

[Beat!]

Lool

Idk which one is worse.

 

[Bones0]

I live closer to M2K than you do to Javi sooooo...

 

[Beat!]

Good point. I guess I'm a tiny bit less dumb then? =B

 

[Bing]

Canada aint got no lovin...

Raynex, Unknown522, Tect(?)

 

[PK Webb]

^Weonx?

 

[Bing]

I knew I was forgetting someone... SORRY CAMILO D: <3

 

[Silent Wolf]

i hear silent wolf is pretty good

and sfat

 

[omgwtfToph]

sw fkn *****

better than like 90% of those guys

 

[PK Webb]

Sw sfat colbol cactuar eggm

 

[Bing]

Lucky and Alex19 even.

There are so many Amazing Fox players....God Damn.

 

[Bones0]

To be fair, he was asking about Fox history, so I was just listing the Fox players that have won major tournaments.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Kels is probably the most under-appreciated national level player of all time

 

[Silent Wolf]

lovage is the best fox main. cats outta the bag

 

[Cyrain]

That's cause Kels' fox is gay as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. And yea Lovage is my hero. Along with Mango and Javi.

 

[Orion*]

Most annoying part about PAL is the aspect ratio. ruins my spacing

it's that drastic for you? LMAO
i only get thrown off from marth having to tech shines // not having a spike

then again ive been forced to get used to both

 

[omgwtfToph]

That's cause Kels' fox is gay as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. And yea Lovage is my hero. Along with Mango and Javi.

this 1000x


....except sw is actually the best fox main

u guys havent seen otto when hes ON HIS **** like i have, it's some cosmic *** disgaea destruction **** ****

 

[Strong Badam]

yeah the aspect ratio really messes me up spacing-wise. it's weird

 

[Wake]

Kels is probably the most under-appreciated national level player of all time

This is so true.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I love Kels.

 

[Blistering Speed]

Zgetto

Zgetto playing in the zone is probably the scariest thing I've ever seen in Smash.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Zgetto playing in the zone is probably the most stylish thing I've ever seen in Smash.

fix' d

 

[Beat!]

Tell me about it. I almost got JV 5'd by him at Beast 2.

 

[kd-]

Sorry if this is poor etiquette, but I'm still looking for advice here:

snip

 

[Sinji]

M2K was on point with his fox on day 1 of Apex before they stole his perfect controller. I was watching him vs Chillen in friendlies while USA vs The World cruise was going on.

M2K and Javi are my fav. foxes right now.

 

[Blistering Speed]

M2k's Fox is hilariously old school.

 

[rokimomi]

Anyone with solid peach experience, what are the visual cues for a dashattack from peach and is there any way to bait it out or something?

 

[voorhese]

can't forget the frosune

 

[knightpraetor]

i think m2k needs to stop being dumb and getting his controller stolen....seriously, i was thinking it was dumb to just quit after losing to wobbles...but then..

i would just quit the moment my controller was stolen probably or go some random secondary...i wouldn't want my main characters being judged on some second-rate controller that i'm not adjusted to.

two days ago i left my controller at home and played and even after 2 hrs i couldn't get used to the activation zones on the cstick being different so i would keep fairing when trying to upair, or bair when trying upair.....it's totally impossible to play vs jiggs when you throw out random aerials and cover a completely different space than where you intended...

though since controllers matter so much....hiring someone to steal controllers from all the competition seems like my best bet at winning the next national lolol

of course no one did that..i've had one controller stolen back when i was starting melee and about 4 more were stolen that tournament ( but 3 of them were people just accidentally taking someone else's controller)

but seriously, how many times has m2k had his controller stolen? was it while he was sleepign? i feel like that is the only thing justified (i take my controller with me to the restroom;P)

 

[Bones0]

lol @ anyone who believes M2K's controller was stolen.

The kid borrows and loses multiple controllers at every tournament. Let's be real here.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Sorry if this is poor etiquette, but I'm still looking for advice here:

Don't jab so much. Especially on shield. Substitute with shine, aerials, and/or movement stuff.

You get up attack too much when knocked over. He's not really punishing it but I think 4/5 non-tech options were get up attack. Don't attack out of panic in those situations.

You don't seem to know how to do basic Marth edgeguards (ledgehop bair, lightshield edgehog, etc).

You don't seem comfortable at the edge in general and make a lot of bad recovery choices (use sharper angles and hog the wall for tech opportunities more often than never, aim for the top platform vs Marth when you can, etc).

Grab a lot more. Combo your shines into grab. Up throw --> up air (or back air... depends on what you're trying to do).

Full jump over his obvious grab approaches and then come down with dair once you see him miss and combo to shine to grab to up throw up air. If he doesn't grab, then waveland off a platform or bair or something. Be safe, basically.

 

[JPOBS]

Kels is probably the most under-appreciated national level player of all time

That award easily goes to Unknown522.

No one ever talks about my boy.

 

[Meneks]

lol @ anyone who believes M2K's controller was stolen.

The kid borrows and loses multiple controllers at every tournament. Let's be real here.

no his controller was stolen AND he just played a match of brawl using the wii nunchucks


Hes rusty alright..

pffffffft

Kels is probably the most under-appreciated national level player of all time

Only cause he doesn't have many videos put up