Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Palpi]

I don't recall him doing that. But he shield drop baired me like 3 times lol. Our set was really tight, I feel like I should've won, but obviously not, cause I lost. Just have to get more consistent.

 

[Brookman]

maybe falco isn't actually your best match up and you just need to readdress your expectations when you face new/better players.

are there vids????

 

[Palpi]

I don't think anything was recorded, cause chain-ace couldn't make it, and he usually records everything

Falco definitely wasn't my best match up that set lol

I always think I have the ability to win, and try to win no matter who it is, but I don't think like "oh its falco, I am going to win because I only play against a falco out of tournament" that is dumb. I just have a lot of falco experience, I am fairly confident in that match up..just not yesterday.

@Wenbo, I am learning peach just in case my fox self-destructs

 

[Brookman]

peach/fox are complimentary, IMO.

 

[Palpi]

I used my 1 day old peach against some falco in tourney and jv 4 stocked him. It was ugly, but beautiful at the same the time. Lol

 

[RaynEX]

I dunno about the "spaced" part either, but here's some examples that I was thinking of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwVzCYHhv0

@ 0:10 - After he hit you with the laser
@ 1:22 - Kinda, even though it wasn't JC'd. He also missed
@ 1:54 - again after a laser

he didn't do it at all game 2 though.


Also, another thing: I usually call it jumping-shine when we talk in person, but I think it's pretty much the same thing. I'll show you the next time we play falco dittos, or falco vs fox.

I JC shine in the same way when I play Falco. The examples you gave are what I had understood it to be up until this point. What Sveet was talking about was grounded JC shines, that's what sent me reeling.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I probably worded it wrong

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

Grounded JC shines are way too hard to consistently do.

For plebs like me.

 

[unknown522]

I JC shine in the same way when I play Falco. The examples you gave are what I had understood it to be up until this point. What Sveet was talking about was grounded JC shines, that's what sent me reeling.

ooh, I never really use the grounded ones.

Just like jump-ins and ****.

 

[sylbot]

Hey what is the method you guys use for jc shines/ multishining. I can't get the hang of it. I am always a wee bit above the ground when I press y to b.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I use Y+B. Just gotta move faster, its hard to do

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

i do up-down-up-down on the analog stick, so there's a possibility if you're interested in straying from Y+B

 

[Doser]

Wouldn't that make it easy to accidentally up-b?

 

[Druggedfox]

Everytime you wavedash its easy to airdodge too, but that doesn't stop us ^_^

Yeah its easy to up-b, but i mean... thats not what you think about when you learn techniques, because you should be doing them correctly. That said, its also not really *that* hard to avoid up-bing; it doesn't happen to me too often.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

Wouldn't that make it easy to accidentally up-b?

i guess if you can't do it properly yet, i double shine to bair and **** like that all the time, rarely ever up-b

i also shine OOS with the up-down-up method and have like 80-90% consistency


in other news
i got to play toph in some falco dittos/few other matchups at evo this weekend, was fun


oh and i also lost to BROLY in the melee side tournament at evo, definitely shouldn't have happened but w/e

 

[EWC]

It's not that hard to JC shine by kinda sliding your thumb from y to b.

On a related note, I was randomly practicing today and did like 20 JC shines in a row. Felt like 2008 again...

 

[KirbyKaze]

the more i play this character, the more i feel that thunder's combo is pretty mediocre outside of mixups and at 0-15 or so vs another fox

falco gets out of it so easily -___-

still tech chasable but that's frustrating

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I just use it as a free tech chase... actually just shining falco to death is really gratifying

 

[Silent Wolf]

Hey what is the method you guys use for jc shines/ multishining. I can't get the hang of it. I am always a wee bit above the ground when I press y to b.

press B, lift from B to X/Y, slide from X/Y to B, repeat. if you just try sliding back and forth it wont really work. also, pressing A while sliding over it doesnt really do anything in this situation, so try it without worrying about pressing A.

 

[Palpi]

I stopped going for thunders combo cause it never works on falcos.

 

[ShroudedOne]

peach/fox are complimentary, IMO.

Really? I guess it makes sense in a way, but not on a surface level...

@Raynex: Thanks. It seemed silly to me, but you only get better by learning and asking.

 

[JPOBS]

what are the falcos you guys are playing doing to get out of thunders so much? SDI'ing?

i havent really played competitive melee in like 5 months so if falcos are now consistently getting out of thunders, i'm scared to go back...

 

[Palpi]

I havn't thunders combo'd my friend who plays falco in like 4 months.

All you have to do is hold up.

 

[Winston]

Yeah I'm afraid to go for it against falco unless I hit it at 0

just gotta get more consistent with drill grabs I guess; out of nair shine I just stand over them and hope they don't call my bluff with getup attack

 

[unknown522]

Hey what is the method you guys use for jc shines/ multishining. I can't get the hang of it. I am always a wee bit above the ground when I press y to b.

I use Y+B with fox (like SHDL), and I usually use control stilck+B with falco.

 

[sylbot]

press B, lift from B to X/Y, slide from X/Y to B, repeat. if you just try sliding back and forth it wont really work. also, pressing A while sliding over it doesnt really do anything in this situation, so try it without worrying about pressing A.

oh so that was the problem, i was so conscious of hitting A that the process was far too slow, now I can finally do it with decent consistency. Thanks a lot.
although I am at about half the full speed.

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

What is Thunder's combo :s?

 

[Brookman]

drill shine up smash him. If all they do is hold up **** is easy as slapping *****es.

 

[Navn]

What is Thunder's combo :s?

shine -> forcegetup > upair

 

[sylbot]

Another option, which I prefer drillshine> down tilt. I like how easy it is to combo off of.

 

[chillindude829]

i started practicing running shine to turnaround sh bair, combos on spacies/prolly other chars at diff %s and looks sweet

 

[Silent Wolf]

oh so that was the problem, i was so conscious of hitting A that the process was far too slow, now I can finally do it with decent consistency. Thanks a lot.
although I am at about half the full speed.

yeah i felt like that too. just try practicing it with falco first to get the motion down.

 

[ZetTroxX]

Yeah I'm afraid to go for it against falco unless I hit it at 0

If your opponent holds up all the time when you try to thunder combo him, just go for the grab. It works really good on all that stupid PAL Marths.

 

[Metal Reeper]

i started practicing running shine to turnaround sh bair, combos on spacies/prolly other chars at diff %s and looks sweet

That's hard
Did ya turn around jump out of shine with control stick?

 

[ZetTroxX]

I can has decent Fox

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiJhr5H7XV8

 

[chillindude829]

That's hard
Did ya turn around jump out of shine with control stick?

yea i use up for the short hop

 

[sylbot]

Do you have to run for it to work?

 

[Sinji]

who here can drill waveshine consistently against peach/falcon? I find it hard to do but I find it easy to do on Marth cause I'm used to the spacing. I find that I have to drill in place after the waveshine to repeat the process again. At the same time a Falcon/peach can shield your drill at that point.


Discuss.

 

[Palpi]

who here can drill waveshine consistently against peach/falcon? I find it hard to do but I find it easy to do on Marth cause I'm used to the spacing. I find that I have to drill in place after the waveshine to repeat the process again. At the same time a Falcon/peach can shield your drill at that point.


Discuss.

I CAN!

/end discussion

 

[Da Shuffla]

Repeat the process? I would only do it once, and then grab.