Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Winston]

I think fox has a **** ton of potential still and that you don't really know what you're talking about :O

is this referring to my comment?

What I meant is that it's hard to make an impressive combo video without pretty much pioneering shine technology somehow. Of course fox has untapped potential...

 

[Wenbobular]

so does this have any actual application in a match? i figured it out the other day on accident even though it was probably discovered before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfmkLHoGrhs

Known for a while now
I remember seeing it in the Falcon TAS match by JPleal10

 

[JPOBS]

what does it even mean for a character to have untapped potential?

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

yay, won my second monthly in a row using mostly fox. vids will be up within this week, hoping you n1gs can help :3

what does it even mean for a character to have untapped potential?

I would think he means how no1 can play anywhere near a TAS video

 

[JPOBS]

well that counts for every character and every situation in every game ever.

if "untapped potential" is just a reference to the inability of human to replicate perfection, then thats pretty blatant and unhelpful observation to make. .

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

but i think it's significantly more noticeable with fox.

 

[Brookman]

what does it even mean for a character to have untapped potential?

I am referring to how people limit their play style because of what they see and or what they are told. People don't experiment enough on their own and haven't drawn any of their own conclusions.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

brookman it is totally false to say nobody has drawn their own conclusions.

 

[Brookman]

way to completely miss the point.

 

[Tomacawk]

way to articulate badly
I have made at least 10 posts over the years of new things that foxes don't do that I think they should experiment with after discovering them while I mess around
and guess what? People disregard them instantly, usually without even testing them. Often times they're ignored entirely and never responded to.

so if you want people to be "drawing their own conclusions" then you should do it yourself and lead by example
What motivation do I have to try to help you guys? I'll help people for the respect. Otherwise, I keep my knowledge to myself. It's one of those "show me you deserve it" kind of deals.

 

[Brookman]

way to articulate badly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0pfFkdC6oE

 

[Zoler]

this is pretty funny ^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9NDTW53UA4

 

[Divinokage]

Up B, everyone dies lol.

All the Falcos are moving relatively the same, whats up with that.

 

[Sinji]

I am referring to how people limit their play style because of what they see and or what they are told. People don't experiment enough on their own and haven't drawn any of their own conclusions.

You and i see eye to eye. I dont like seeing the limited play style. People must remember that this is not only Competitive Melee. It's SSBM. What happened to using shine as a reflector? What happened to flutter hush? Every single tourney, a fox player would play someone else, the other player would say in his mind (it's another robotic fox), then punish the fox player.

I mean look at Mango's Marth. He's the only Marth that uses Dsmash effectively. Players need to broaden their minds and understand every single move their character has and the properties each move has.

I was watching over Armada vs PP at pound V and Armada surprised everyone with Toad on Yoshi's Story. I haven't seen a peach player use Toad in six years. All im saying is players need to broaden their minds when playing.

 

[unknown522]

this is pretty funny ^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9NDTW53UA4

lvl 9 marth is better in boss mode.

also, the end with the lasers was so gay.

 

[Druggedfox]

Mango doesn't use marth's dsmash effectively, he repeatedly tries it in every even semi-plausible situation; then, when it works, it looks like he used it effectively >_> Mango trolls so hard

And the ganon/falco thing was hilarious, I just can't believe that in a 3 v 1 they actually camped... europeans so gay /america

 

[unknown522]

so true, about mango.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

Mango doesn't use marth's dsmash effectively, he repeatedly tries it in every even semi-plausible situation; then, when it works, it looks like he used it effectively >_> Mango trolls so hard

And the ganon/falco thing was hilarious, I just can't believe that in a 3 v 1 they actually camped... europeans so gay /america

lol he had 3 lives they all had 1..one hit of any sort is death for them, it looked pretty hilarious to camp him like that

 

[Wenbobular]

I totally thought that was a CPU for like the entire vid ... <_<

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Cosmo used marth's dsmash better than mango, and was the best marth in the MW before mango even touched the character.

 

[omgwtfToph]

People must remember that this not only Competitive Melee. It's SSBM.

sinji quote

 

[Divinokage]

I totally thought that was a CPU for like the entire vid ... <_<

Lol, can you imagine a Ganon trying to move while there's 3 Falcos beating the **** out of him? haha. Even for me it's prob gonna be hella hard.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

kage u have 6666 posts

 

[Wenbobular]

Lol, can you imagine a Ganon trying to move while there's 3 Falcos beating the **** out of him? haha. Even for me it's prob gonna be hella hard.

It was only when I saw him down-b that I realized it was a human >_<
Jabs and up-bs are super standard level 9 fare, which is why I thought it was just a level 9 hahaha

 

[Palpi]

Random thought, I'm going to bring hand warmers to the next tournament because I tried playing fox last night with really cold hands and I felt like I had down syndrome.

 

[PK Webb]

i was thinkin about doing that to palpi tell me how it works out for u

 

[Sinji]

Is nair>nair>usmash a good finisher against Marth?
I saw lucky do on Mango but the second nair, Mango DI it. Im not sure.

 

[Wenbobular]

Everything depends on DI...~_~
Nair is a pretty good DI trap though ... survival DI leads to Uair kills, away DI can sometimes be chased into USmash

 

[Linguini]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcVvQLJac54

Check out my fox, starts at 8:18

let me know what u guys think/tipsies

 

[Divinokage]

What in the.. Linguini Fox?

Edit: Lol nice, backthrow, shine to backair, shine. Classic. =D

Though I think you need to punish with grab a lot more since Fox has a lot of nasty setups after a grab especially in dittos. But I'll let the other Fox mains have their say too.

 

[Brookman]

Is nair>nair>usmash a good finisher against Marth?

Yes /10

 

[Sinji]

@linguini I liked the bthrow>bair>shine.


Edit: what do you guys think about using up b for combos? Im trying to find new ways how to use fox.

 

[Brookman]

Edit: what do you guys think about using up b for combos? Im trying to find new ways how to use fox.

If we've learned anything from my posts the last week or so, you can't get anything productive out of this sort of thing. You're going to have to put the work in for yourself and if you have a lot of success in friendly/practice and then take it to a tournament and still have success AND get matches recorded, then and only then will anyone give a **** about up and b.


In friendly matches tho, I like up and b tho and I **** around with it a lot. Try using it on shields, it gets really funny- just make sure you're airborne alternatively you can take a grounded up b to the edge.


@ linguini: you **** around too much and your opponent lets you get away with it. I know you probably don't plan on playing a serious set as fox but vs. a more talented/offensive opponent that sorta **** doesn't fly. If there's one thing I was able to take from the first fox ditto, your friend likes to go for really hasty reads using grab/up smash and is generally too scared to stay in close quarters* with you. If you play him often, you've trained him well ;D.

p.s. on a scale of 1-10, how easily do you see through his movement/approach? tbh it looks like you don't even give a **** about what he's doing.

 

[Divinokage]

I was more surprised that he lost with Ganon twice in a row.. I was like wtf...

 

[KirbyKaze]

ignore this.

 

[Tomacawk]

stay high my *****s
I've been in class allllll day, time to burn one down
happy 420 brothers, today is our day

 

[unknown522]

oh yeah, 4/20. I forgot about that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcVvQLJac54

Check out my fox, starts at 8:18

let me know what u guys think/tipsies

man, I had a long write-up but then the boards decided to log me out, so the edit didn't save. Now I'm kinda annoyed and regret not saving a backup.

But yeah, long story short; things I noticed in the matches:

- too many rolls. Use your WD oos more often instead. It may create more openings for you, since it's less of a commitment.

- when you knock him down and he misses a tech. You try to follow his getup a lot. You could just attack him while he's laying there.

- You did FH b-air approaches a couple of times and either got punished for it, or got no follow-up. When you have openings like that then use your drill and combo it into something (grab, shine, u-tilt).

- Though I just mentioned stuff about FH approaches. It's usually bad to do in general. They can DD-grab, or time moves to beat yours, and that can result to a lot of damage if not a whole stock.

- You need to punish his whiffed moves more often. Especially with grab. I think you grabbed him like twice in the first game.

- Comboing off of hits is important. You get a lot of random single hits, but they don't lead to anywhere.

- You Attempt some cool situational stuff that could've worked throughout the matches, but then you miss or don't position well so then you get punished for trying them.


I'll watch it again later and maybe add some stuff, but that's all for now.

 

[Sinji]

Colbol's fox is getting better in every tournament. He found a new way how to kill falco. First he would grab him by the edge then wait till falco jumps off of him then gimp him with a shine.

 

[Palpi]

I cry at every post sinji makes

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

that would work like once per person

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