Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

Rykard · Apr 16, 2011

i know that the upair thing was popular for a while but it hasn't really ever done much for me. i honestly haven't really thought much about stage positioning after one so thanks for that

Sinji · Apr 16, 2011

I hear people say drill the shine>grab in a thunders combo.

This is col bol's thunders combo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzPzltdb2hI&t=2m25s

PK Webb · Apr 16, 2011

i uair after thunder to upsmash its so delicious

Rykard · Apr 16, 2011

haha thank you trey. i'll be home saturday btw so maybe we can play sometime in the morning around noonish if you are free

Brookman · Apr 16, 2011

I just thunders to thunders to thunders.

PK Webb · Apr 16, 2011

its a infinite lol

JPOBS · Apr 16, 2011

thunders combo is the entire succession of specifically shine>jab>upair>upsmash. that is "thunders combo". shine jab->anything else is just a reset abuse

just saying. but the colloquial of "thunders" has kinda been degenerated into just the shine->jab when thats not actually what it is.

not important but whateva :]

Strong Badam · Apr 17, 2011

today i realized that I don't give a **** about what my opponent can do in response to what I do because I just **** them anyway regardless

Brookman · Apr 17, 2011

Ya, I am usually too busy shining and up smashing the **** out of people to care what their desires are for playing in the game

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZzPXn9Q8B8&feature=feedu

SFAT is using the JC shine DJ waveland I talked about a few weeks back. I've been tooling with it myself and have been enjoying the results.

Winston · Apr 17, 2011

Just played in my first tournament as fox

it's so stressful... I dunno if I can deal with this...

Druggedfox · Apr 17, 2011

^AIMmmmmmm where u at

Sinji · Apr 17, 2011

Brookman said:
Ya, I am usually too busy shining and up smashing the **** out of people to care what their desires are for playing in the game

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Bolt, we should play more. Just PM me here or on FB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZzPXn9Q8B8&feature=feedu

SFAT is using the JC shine DJ waveland I talked about a few weeks back. I've been tooling with it myself and have been enjoying the results.

Oh i see. J.c shine. Good work team.

Crooked Crow · Apr 17, 2011

Winston said:
Just played in my first tournament as fox

it's so stressful... I dunno if I can deal with this...

I know how you feel. Seems like everyone ***** Fox.

The character himself has a lot of potential, so I kept working on him. This improved my techskill, and helped me understand the game a lot more. Your Luigi is sick too though, so alternate between matchups?

Fox is a high learning curve, but really good.

Zoler · Apr 17, 2011

Just got back from my first tournament since I started maining fox!

It really went great, I cannot understand people who says fox is harder in tourney, I did not notice any difference from other characters. I got out of pools (even tho I had a pretty easy pool), which doesn't happen everytime with my former main for 1 year Sheik, so I'm pretty satisfied.

I also played good vs players like Aniolas who was in my pool, even tho he beat me convincingly, of course! In the bracket I lost to Android (Armadas younger brother) and then AJP_Anton.

This character is so much fun really, I just had my best tournament gameplay wise because of him. I love fox! ^^

unknown522 · Apr 17, 2011

Sinji said:
What do guys think about the matchup against roy?
I think it's 50/50.

It's at least 7-3.

JPOBS said:
wrong board sinji..............|
kirby threads are that way \/

haha

Lovage said:
what the **** everyone jumpin with the stick nowadays

biters LOL!

lol. Raynex used to originally use the stick, but switched. Colbol uses the stick too I think.

Vex Kasrani said:
How does Young Link do vs Fox?

8-2 IMO. It's his worst matchup next to Falcon and Falco.

Rykard said:
what is the best follow up after a thunders combo?

Lovage said:
depends on their percent/where they are on the stage. charged usmash is a good choice but may not combo at low percent. grab is good and standard but only use if you're sure you can get a followup from the grab (stage position.)

short hop Uair is not as good anymore imo because it's usually harder to combo at super low percents and it's pretty likely for them to tech the 2nd hit on the ground.

when the thunders leaves them close to the edge (but not too close) i like to do a really late nair into double shine. they can DI the away from the shines usually but most people won't expect it so it's fun to try.

Yeah, I'm really disliking the u-air nowadays.

I'm just doing my own thing; drill -> u-tilt -> stuff. I already know that it's kinda unreliable because of SDI, but since they are space animals (and not floatier characters) they will never be able to escape anyway. Also, if they DI away from me, then the u-tilt will get the weak hit and they will go straight up. If they DI behind, then I get the strong hit and then they go in front of me anyway.

Winston said:
Just played in my first tournament as fox

it's so stressful... I dunno if I can deal with this...

what happened to dat luigi?

Zoler · Apr 17, 2011

I noticed I almost always mistime my u-airs lol. Is there any good way to practice it?

Winston · Apr 17, 2011

unknown522 said:
what happened to dat luigi?

I started practicing Fox to improve my wavedashing with Luigi (it might sound dumb, but it atually worked). Then at some point I started having a lot more fun playing Fox in friendlies. Having videos to study and an active character discussion board are big pluses too.

Not sure what character(s) I'll end up with 6 months from now.

aAndy said:
I know how you feel. Seems like everyone ***** Fox.

The character himself has a lot of potential, so I kept working on him. This improved my techskill, and helped me understand the game a lot more. Your Luigi is sick too though, so alternate between matchups?

Fox is a high learning curve, but really good.

Yeah, my defensive game needs a ton of work. I rarely know what to do when I'm getting hit.

What have you seen of my Luigi btw O.o All the stuff on youtube is of me doing really bad and getting *****, I thought.

joeplicate · Apr 17, 2011

Brookman said:
Ya, I am usually too busy shining and up smashing the **** out of people to care what their desires are for playing in the game

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Bolt, we should play more. Just PM me here or on FB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZzPXn9Q8B8&feature=feedu

SFAT is using the JC shine DJ waveland I talked about a few weeks back. I've been tooling with it myself and have been enjoying the results.

i'm watching the first match, and it just looks like he's shining OOS and wavelanding back down.......................................................

probably the best part about it is he hits the shine high, where it covers more options

unknown522 · Apr 17, 2011

Winston said:
I started practicing Fox to improve my wavedashing with Luigi (it might sound dumb, but it atually worked). Then at some point I started having a lot more fun playing Fox in friendlies. Having videos to study and an active character discussion board are big pluses too.

Not sure what character(s) I'll end up with 6 months from now.

word up. Well, I wish you good luck on playing fox. He's mad fun.

Brookman · Apr 17, 2011

joeplicate said:
i'm watching the first match, and it just looks like he's shining OOS and wavelanding back down.......................................................

probably the best part about it is he hits the shine high, where it covers more options

He's definitely trying to stay grounded, IMO. The point is, he goes airborn in his hsine out of shield and air dodges down rather than double jumping. **** saves way too many frames.

Sinji · Apr 17, 2011

This is what i got against ganon.

Nair>double shine.

Edit: Well that Dark guy from Chile just joined smashboards.

Heres his vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbEzKvwT_Xo

unknown522 · Apr 17, 2011

lol, that marth had a free gimp at the end, but he decides to b-throw instead of d-throw.

also, I love how the tags don't even have their names in it. It was like: Mango, SW, lovage, m2k I think, and another name.

Zoler said:
Just got back from my first tournament since I started maining fox!

It really went great, I cannot understand people who says fox is harder in tourney, I did not notice any difference from other characters. I got out of pools (even tho I had a pretty easy pool), which doesn't happen everytime with my former main for 1 year Sheik, so I'm pretty satisfied. I also played good vs players like Aniolas who was in my pool, even tho he beat me convincingly, of course! In the bracket I lost to Android (Armadas younger brother) and then AJP_Anton.

This character is so much fun really, I just had my best tournament gameplay wise because of him. I love fox! ^^

you'll change your mind if you get to a high level.

Divinokage · Apr 17, 2011

That's not nice Ryan, just because you don't think so. I play freaking Ganon at high level and it's hilarious, no johns with that Fox. I know I'll get crushed if I go off-stage but I chose to accept that weakness.

Edit: Omfg Dark spams his moves like a beast.. geez.. lol.

Brookman · Apr 17, 2011

If Kage played fox there would be no doubt about the character's greatness.

Zoler · Apr 17, 2011

Yeah, Unknown522 I think so too, it sounds sad.

Brookman: lol, Kage should definitely play fox

Divinokage · Apr 17, 2011

Nooo, it's more glorious with Ganon!! =D

Sinji · Apr 17, 2011

I think darks problem is that he doesn't play defensive enough.
Sure, his technical style of play is wicked but he needs to shield more.

Brookman · Apr 17, 2011

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@kage: I wasn't recommending you play fox, I was just making a statement about your mentality

Zoler · Apr 17, 2011

I have a question: why are there like zero fox combo videos, recently?

Except Darks.

Winston · Apr 17, 2011

Well there have been approximately 3 notable fox combo videos ever. (Shined Blind, Mango Alex Lucky, Perfect Dark). So I don't think that's particularly strange.

Each one of those stood out because of a significant advance in shine technology. It's hard to make Fox's combos terribly exciting aside from that.

unknown522 · Apr 17, 2011

Divinokage said:
That's not nice Ryan, just because you don't think so. I play freaking Ganon at high level and it's hilarious, no johns with that Fox. I know I'll get crushed if I go off-stage but I chose to accept that weakness.

Edit: Omfg Dark spams his moves like a beast.. geez.. lol.

Zoler said:
Yeah, Unknown522 I think so too, it sounds sad.

Brookman: lol, Kage should definitely play fox

Divinokage said:
Nooo, it's more glorious with Ganon!! =D

you should pay fox. It'd be amazing

Brookman · Apr 17, 2011

I think fox has a **** ton of potential still and that you don't really know what you're talking about :O

Zoler · Apr 17, 2011

Winston said:
Well there have been approximately 3 notable fox combo videos ever. (Shined Blind, Mango Alex Lucky, Perfect Dark). So I don't think that's particularly strange.

Each one of those stood out because of a significant advance in shine technology. It's hard to make Fox's combos terribly exciting aside from that.

I've watched those 3 so many times I know them perfectly in my head...

PK Webb · Apr 17, 2011

because every1 has seen what can be done only vids to watch now r tourney vids where ppl can see if u can do that crazy stuff under pressure

Divinokage · Apr 17, 2011

I personally don't think Dark should lose his style, I've seen a lot of comments like.. you should do this and this.. but all he really needs to do is kinda like concentrate his style for more efficiency, not necessarily be more defensive but be super aggressive while making the right choices all the time. That just requires more experience. I'm sure he'll be able to slaughter a lot of people if he makes that successful. I watched his recent vids, he does do a lot of useless stuff which compromises his positioning or simply misses the opponent for over-extending.. if he can eliminate both.. omfg the possibilities!!

Oh and if I would play a spacie, it would be Falco.. I can't control Fox at all =P

Brookman · Apr 17, 2011

Kage, you and I see eye-to-eye.

Divinokage · Apr 17, 2011

Brookman said:
Kage, you and I see eye-to-eye.

Awesome! =D I just don't want another robotic Fox that's for sure.. hehe... just because people said so.

Crooked Crow · Apr 18, 2011

Winston said:
Yeah, my defensive game needs a ton of work. I rarely know what to do when I'm getting hit.

What have you seen of my Luigi btw O.o All the stuff on youtube is of me doing really bad and getting *****, I thought.

I play Luigi too. You're decent, keep improving and studying matchups.

Another, big important thing Fox helped me learn besides techskill: momentum. Overall, if you want to broaden and strengthen your intricate understanding of Melee, use Fox. And DI every hit, it helps.

FoxLisk · Apr 18, 2011

dark drops a lot of stuff by trying to get too fancy. but it looks like he's having a hell of a lot of fun and it's awesome to watch so i hope he keeps reppin'

Rykard · Apr 18, 2011

so does this have any actual application in a match? i figured it out the other day on accident even though it was probably discovered before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfmkLHoGrhs

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