Miggz
Pancake Sandwiches
Just relax and keep practicing. A lot of beginning Fox players go through the same thing. Its a pain at first, but when you get passed this stage, its rewarding.
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
I thought only Colbol's left hand "clawed" as opposed to both of his hands?
The amount of times I've killed myself with fair or side B off the edge.... good times.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
what can I purchase with 10 raynex points?
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Miggz is right, many Fox players have experienced illusion SD problems when first learning to waveshine. You are probably holding forward without thinking about it, anticipating the part of the combo where you move towards your opponent after hitting them. Because you are so focused on following them and hitting them again before they move too far away, you are probably forgetting to swing the control stick all the way back to "6 o'clock" on your control stick. Just make a note in your head to press down+B, diagonal forward to wavedash, and down+B again. I would advise doing it slowly a few times so you can get the pattern down with your hands. From there, its a simple matter of speeding the process up until you do it fast enough and far enough, so that it will combo.
-Colbol claws using his left hand. He holds the control stick in between his thumb and forefinger, with his middle finger on L. He also holds it so that his middle finger on his other hand is on R. Here is the claw in use. Its Colin playing as Falcon at a tournament I also attended. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctBDQmZn-kk
-Mew2King uses the right handed claw for SHDLs with Fox. Forefinger on Y, thumb on B.
-I use the right handed claw for reverse SHDLs. Same way M2k does.
I'm pretty sure SW can do it, but he hasn't talked enough about it for me or anyone else to know.
Friendlies all dai son
idea
Smash Master
do you know where your sig is from? or...what the story is there? i've seen it before but i wanna know what actually happened there.
fox is cool <_< he's really fast <_< i always side-b off the edge when i try to waveshine too, so what i did was, i stopped waveshining. he has enough broken *** moves already =P
Tomacawk
Smash Master
I claw my right hand when playing peach and kirby, and when I uthrow->knee/uair with falcon
I claw all the time when playing halo >.>
I claw all the time when playing halo >.>
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Sadly, I don't know. I just saw the .gif one day and was like, "That'd be a cool sig".
Anyways, I've been playing with buffering a jump out of shine and I've been doing it with the control stick. How does the game know whether or not you buffer a short hop or full jump? I swear that sometimes when I flick up I KNOW I should full jump but it doesn't (bonus, I guess).
DippnDots
Feral Youth
For some reason turning around in the shine before the grab didnt occur to me, i suppose it's ten times easier and infinitely more possible than what I was thinking originally.
Is a JC grab out of shine the same timing as executing a JC grab whilst dashing?
Also, does the bair cause longer shieldstun if hit with fox's "sweetspot" or can I hit the shield with any part of the hitbox?
Trying to take this stupid ***** to the next level, got some things to practice now :D
Tomacawk
Smash Master
the timing is the same. You need to hit the strongspot of the bair and you need to bair right before you land in order to shine before you get shield grabbed (or space the bair really well and not be against marf) and if you space the bair don't shine
voorhese
Smash Master
does that mean you can boost grab (dash attack cancel grab) out of shine?
metashinryu
Smash Ace
its from the movie MR who am i? or something like that,its a scene where they are escaping from some bad guys from cia or something,jackie chan is the main person there
DippnDots
Feral Youth
So if the "strongspot" hitbox is big enough to hit the shield and still be in range of the shine, but if you space it to hit with the end of it you'll be out of shine range?
I think he meant things you can do to cancel the dash animation into something else, i dont believe you can dash attack out of a shine which would then mean you cant boost grab. I might be wrong though.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
if you space your bair to hit with your foot, your shine won't hit and you therefore shouldn't shine after the bair
what i mean by the strong part is bair RIGHT as you're landing so it cancels ASAP and you lose minimal time during their shield stun, meaning you can shine fast enough to keep them in their shield and keep you from getting shield grabbed
what i mean by the strong part is bair RIGHT as you're landing so it cancels ASAP and you lose minimal time during their shield stun, meaning you can shine fast enough to keep them in their shield and keep you from getting shield grabbed
soap
Smash Hero
waveshine dash attack is so pro
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Shine --> Moveset is too good.
soap
Smash Hero
does waveshine to firefox flames combo?
Tomacawk
Smash Master
ten quotes
DippnDots
Feral Youth
yeah i figured the foot would put you outta reach, i see what you mean now about when to bair -> shine
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
You can actually shine -> wavedash to dash (not JC) grab and grab fox (not sure about falco but probably falco/roy too) right off the ground. I actually think this is applicable after the % where jabbing nowadays just gets DI'd up or people know how to get out of it.
unknown522
Some guy
^ yeah, it actually works
soap
Smash Hero
hmm, sounds cheap
unknown522
Some guy
it's hilarious. Try it out in training mode.
Bernard showed me a couple of months ago, then we laughed about it whenever we did it to someone or each other.
Bernard showed me a couple of months ago, then we laughed about it whenever we did it to someone or each other.
idea
Smash Master
oh, okay. i was hoping it was security camera footage or something =P
Tomacawk
Smash Master
WTF that works???? ****
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Backwards Waveshine
Hey I have a question about waveshining, sorry if it's already been asked. So with characters like Marth and Samus I can waveshine them efficiently, but the thing is I need to take a few steps to reach them unlike Peach and Link.
Now there isn't anything wrong with that since I can just throw in another shine, JC grab or Smash before they react. When waveshining foward, there is no problem, but waveshining backwards, especially after DIing the drill shine behind them in order to continue the combo is where the issue presents itself. It seems that the turn around lag frames always gets me and prevents me from waveshining backwards.
Is there anyway to get out of this? I mean I can finally pull of cruel shine if I knew how to backwards waveshine consistently. Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
Hey I have a question about waveshining, sorry if it's already been asked. So with characters like Marth and Samus I can waveshine them efficiently, but the thing is I need to take a few steps to reach them unlike Peach and Link.
Now there isn't anything wrong with that since I can just throw in another shine, JC grab or Smash before they react. When waveshining foward, there is no problem, but waveshining backwards, especially after DIing the drill shine behind them in order to continue the combo is where the issue presents itself. It seems that the turn around lag frames always gets me and prevents me from waveshining backwards.
Is there anyway to get out of this? I mean I can finally pull of cruel shine if I knew how to backwards waveshine consistently. Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Well, I've never done that, but sometimes to catch up with characters who fall down I JC shine into illusion, and since I'm spaced enough and if they dont tech the shine I can get a pivot JC grab in
If you buffer the jump you need to hold to at least frame 4 to register as a full hop. Just like a X or Y jump. the amount of frames held down for any particular character determines the length of the jump.
Edit: Oh and sorry for the double post, i didn't realize till it was too late, I'm such a noob <---
cykofox
Smash Ace
so i was trying to find reasons justifying why fox is broken.
shine is seconds fastest move next to rest.
shine is cancellable
ridiculouse knockback of arieals
ridiculous startup speeed of moves
ridiculouse dash speed
great grab range
upsmash is fast and ko's early
close to best projectile(lasers give you more options on the type of game you decide to play)
drill counters cc game
falling speed makes it good to pressure opponent and far overweights the fact that it allows him to be comboed easily
over b can be shortened and is another optionnext to up b for recovery
anymore?
im drunk
shine is seconds fastest move next to rest.
shine is cancellable
ridiculouse knockback of arieals
ridiculous startup speeed of moves
ridiculouse dash speed
great grab range
upsmash is fast and ko's early
close to best projectile(lasers give you more options on the type of game you decide to play)
drill counters cc game
falling speed makes it good to pressure opponent and far overweights the fact that it allows him to be comboed easily
over b can be shortened and is another optionnext to up b for recovery
anymore?
im drunk
DippnDots
Feral Youth
When Fox dashes there's a quick little ta ta ta ta sound.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Da Shuffla
Smash Lord
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RaynEx, were those pivot Utilts in the very beginning?
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Nope. Turnaround utilts.
Cia
das kwl
^ my tech skill is soooo terrible. i can't even do that. they just come out as High Ftilts.. LOL
voorhese
Smash Master
lol you can taunt out of dash to, did you mean anything that can cancel the dash animation?
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Which, honestly, aren't so bad. High angled ftilts for combos are so hot. Nair->high angled ftilt.
joeplicate
Smash Master
if you want a cool training mode combo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW76u-lN-DE&feature=channel_page
look at 57 seconds lol
it's only on high-level CPUs iirc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW76u-lN-DE&feature=channel_page
look at 57 seconds lol
it's only on high-level CPUs iirc
Lovage
Smash Hero
Tomacawk
Smash Master
critique? these are tourny matches
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o01HaS34E_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGsRk5ve0m4#t=188s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvGJInGZMMY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o01HaS34E_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGsRk5ve0m4#t=188s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvGJInGZMMY
unknown522
Some guy
I watched most of the first match, but I have to go out now. I will critique later.
Good stuff so far.
Good stuff so far.
PCHU
Smash Lord
Alright, I've been playing a lot lately, and I have a few questions.
What should I do against Ganon, CF, Dr. Mario, DK, and Marth besides uthrow->followup or drillshine or drillkick -> utilt?
Are there any other nice and useful things I could work on?
I can waveshine both ways and reverse waveshine both ways, and I can also waveshine -> jab -> followup on characters that fall down from the shine.
Is there anything else I can do besides that stuff, or is the that what Fox is made of?
I mean, I also do stuff out of nair, but that's not important right now.
I just want to know if there's something I'm not doing in my game.
Fox doesn't seem like as much fun as he used to be.
Is there anything extremely difficult to pull off that I could work on?
Like something that could keep me occupied for a day or two?
Any other ledgestalls that are great besides shine -> Firefox/ Illusion, straight illusion (heck, I can do those on 2x speed), or shine -> DJ laser -> illusion (I don't see the point of that one)?
I want to find something difficult and useful to work on.
Also, please note that I'm not bragging by any stretch of the imagination; I know my place.
I'm just technical and want to learn what I can do with that skill so that it can be more useful.
Sorry if I'm being vague, please tell me if I am.
What should I do against Ganon, CF, Dr. Mario, DK, and Marth besides uthrow->followup or drillshine or drillkick -> utilt?
Are there any other nice and useful things I could work on?
I can waveshine both ways and reverse waveshine both ways, and I can also waveshine -> jab -> followup on characters that fall down from the shine.
Is there anything else I can do besides that stuff, or is the that what Fox is made of?
I mean, I also do stuff out of nair, but that's not important right now.
I just want to know if there's something I'm not doing in my game.
Fox doesn't seem like as much fun as he used to be.
Is there anything extremely difficult to pull off that I could work on?
Like something that could keep me occupied for a day or two?
Any other ledgestalls that are great besides shine -> Firefox/ Illusion, straight illusion (heck, I can do those on 2x speed), or shine -> DJ laser -> illusion (I don't see the point of that one)?
I want to find something difficult and useful to work on.
Also, please note that I'm not bragging by any stretch of the imagination; I know my place.
I'm just technical and want to learn what I can do with that skill so that it can be more useful.
Sorry if I'm being vague, please tell me if I am.
Miggz
Pancake Sandwiches
Search through the link I posted below. Myself, and other smashers have posted valuable match up information. Everything you need to know about fighting Marth and CF is in that thread.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=233521
As for the other characters you listed, myself and others can help as well. But me personally, I think it'll be a good idea that you briefly explain what the problem is with each of those characters. Are you having trouble recovering while Ganon is on the stage, are you getting chained grab by Doc, are you struggling to edge guard DK? I could spit out random tips but I want a little more detail. That would be really great. ^^
I can, however suggest more techniques worth practicing.
* ledge hop wavelands
*wavelanding on various stages with platforms
* SHFFL aerial (nair/dair) to waveshine (if you want to take it even higher, reverse waveshine after a SHFFL aerial)
*sweet spotting the edge with a shorten illusion
*shine bair tricks
*running shine, to up smash
*SHFFL aerial to waveshine with an opponent with invulnerable frames. I think you can pick the mario star item. This will imitate hitting a foe with their shield up.
*the PC edge guard, i.e. walking fast(not running) towards the edge, quickly tap the analog stick in the opposite direction, forcing Fox to turn around and grab the edge.
*waveshining a character from one end of FD.
Me personally I practice about 80% of this list for my own reasons, but since you wish to be super technical...I'd recommend all of it. I'm sure others have more to add. Good luck.