Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[EWC]

What do you mean by buffering a jump out of the shine? Buffering refers to using the c stick for frame perfect jumps, rolls, and spotdodges out of shield. What's that got to do with shine?

In any case, it's actually not that hard to cancel the shine frame perfect with the control stick, once you learn the right flicking motion. And if you hit someone, then it's even easier because of hitlag.

 

[RaynEX]

Raynex how do you shine nair other spacies? I can't use the control stick to do it cause I always end up doing an up air when I push A right after the shine. And when I use Y to jump out of it, it's fast but it's not fast enough to hit them with the nair right after the shine.

I use the control stick when I'm trying to combo with it. You won't land both hits if you're standing in place before you jump. Start running, shine, flick up on the control stick and hit A. Using Y works, but its alot harder. You have to slide to Y after hitting down b, or just be really, really fast. Control stick makes things easier in this case. When you flick up after the shine, make sure you let go of the control stick before you hit A.

Oh, and when you jump oos, hit up+forward.

Either practice and get really fast with Y, or practice and try not to uair with the control stick. : /

need falco help

i just am not good at setting up first hits

i'm primarily asking you raynex, cause the falco i gotta deal with is ritz and i know you played a **** ton with him at RoM, so how can i set up first hits and combos vs his falco?

Use platforms. When you knock him down get a grab, then do generic Fox combos. Land on top of him with dairs and go into stuff. If you miss, buffer roll and try again. If he gets you in shield shine/usmash oos. Ritz isn't impossible to beat, you just need to think and use the stuff you already have down properly. Low percents, I'd say to go for dair->stuff, shine knockdowns->stuff, grabs->stuff. when you knock him off the edge try your best to kill him.

Vids maybe?

 

[halcyon.days]

What do you mean by buffering a jump out of the shine? Buffering refers to using the c stick for frame perfect jumps, rolls, and spotdodges out of shield. What's that got to do with shine?

In any case, it's actually not that hard to cancel the shine frame perfect with the control stick, once you learn the right flicking motion. And if you hit someone, then it's even easier because of hitlag.

You can press jump within 3 frames of using shine and it will jump out at the soonest possible moment (4 frames after the shine). Hence, buffering a jump out of shine, but the timing is too short.

 

[SpaceFalcon]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=239050

I know you fox's know how this **** goes LOL.

 

[Milos]

You can press jump within 3 frames of using shine and it will jump out at the soonest possible moment (4 frames after the shine). Hence, buffering a jump out of shine, but the timing is too short.

the timing is NOT too short, your thumbs are too slow. a flick definitely takes about 2 frames maybe less.

bernard you're the man im working on it. i gotta record some **** when i get back, im in the bahamas right now.

 

[halcyon.days]

the timing is NOT too short, your thumbs are too slow. a flick definitely takes about 2 frames maybe less.

bernard you're the man im working on it. i gotta record some **** when i get back, im in the bahamas right now.

I'm pretty sure my thumbs/fingers/hands are faster than yours.

TBH, it's pretty impossible to test this without AR.

 

[Milos]

ok haha you got personal

i was only saying that obviously if you cant buffer a jump out of shine, your thumbs arent fast enough. you admitted to not being able to do this. I on the other hand, am able to do this AND have tested it with AR. MANY people on these boards can do this. show shut up and practice with thumb wars or something.

flicks are a lot faster than you think.

so shut up, and if you go to genesis mm me and put your money where your e-**** is

 

[ArcNatural]

I just want to point out that for buffering jumps and doing the nair -> shine transition.

If you hit B with the middle part of your thumb, hit Y with the tip and hit a with the middle part it's incredibly fast and easy. Trust me this can be done incredibly fast once you get the rhythm down.

This is also how I waveshine or shine -> shdl.

 

[Meneks]

Whats the concept of buffering out of spot dodges?

And how exactly do you buffer a roll to get out of a chaingrab from ic's?

Can falco do it too? (irrelevant question)

 

[halcyon.days]

ok haha you got personal

i was only saying that obviously if you cant buffer a jump out of shine, your thumbs arent fast enough. you admitted to not being able to do this. I on the other hand, am able to do this AND have tested it with AR. MANY people on these boards can do this. show shut up and practice with thumb wars or something.

flicks are a lot faster than you think.

so shut up, and if you go to genesis mm me and put your money where your e-**** is

I said "I'm pretty sure that's impossible", I didn't say "Oh I can't do that", and that my hands/whatever are probably faster than yours. You're telling me to shut up and telling me stuff that I didn't say? Who's getting personal now?

I can't "see" frames so when I JC my shine it's not like I know "Oh ****, I JC'd it exactly 2 frames". I may actually be doing it, but I don't have AR or equivalent to know exactly when I JC my shine.

Whats the concept of buffering out of spot dodges?

And how exactly do you buffer a roll to get out of a chaingrab from ic's?

Can falco do it too? (irrelevant question)

Press your shield button, and hold the c-stick either left, down or right. For instance, if you do a down air with Falco and you l-cancel with L. You do the dair, and after hitting L to l-cancel, HOLD IT and a c-stick direction. The first possible moment you can spotdodge/roll you will.

Oh yeah, and since when does me saying "I'm faster" mean "I'm better"? I think you need to learn the english language.

 

[Milos]

I said "I'm pretty sure that's impossible", I didn't say "Oh I can't do that", and that my hands/whatever are probably faster than yours. You're telling me to shut up and telling me stuff that I didn't say? Who's getting personal now?

I can't "see" frames so when I JC my shine it's not like I know "Oh ****, I JC'd it exactly 2 frames". I may actually be doing it, but I don't have AR or equivalent to know exactly when I JC my shine.

Oh yeah, and since when does me saying "I'm faster" mean "I'm better"? I think you need to learn the english language.

1. im faster and better

2. if you believe something to be impossible, you obviously cannot do it yourself. if you could do it yourself, it obviously wouldnt be impossible.

3. point is, im right and i know i am and it HAS been tested in real time and shiz told me he does this all the time, so have many players who know more/are better than BOTH of us including jman and m2k.

4. arguments done :D

 

[Tomacawk]

milos do internet work son

 

[halcyon.days]

I believed it to be impossible because like I said, I can't count frames so I don't even know if I'm buffering it, etc,. I also don't have AR to test it.

TBH, I don't know HOW good you are. I've only seen you get 4-stocked by Shiz (which was for his combo video, so kudos for you for putting that clip of yourself in) and I'm not going to go hunt youtube vids just so I can insult/berate you.

I didn't know it was tested when I made my comment so thus I guess I was wrong there.

But good job pretty much not addressing anything that I said.

 

[CanISmash]

omg stfu

just beat it beat it beat it beat it nobody wants to beat it beat it

doesn't matter if you're wrong or right just BEAT IT.

 

[Milos]

stfu steve

lol son check my sig!

I believed it to be impossible because like I said, I can't count frames so I don't even know if I'm buffering it, etc,. I also don't have AR to test it.

TBH, I don't know HOW good you are. I've only seen you get 4-stocked by Shiz (which was for his combo video, so kudos for you for putting that clip of yourself in) and I'm not going to go hunt youtube vids just so I can insult/berate you.

I didn't know it was tested when I made my comment so thus I guess I was wrong there.

But good job pretty much not addressing anything that I said.

i just quoted that to pass the character limit

 

[x After Dawn x]

1. im faster and better

How would you even know if you're faster or better than him? You have absolutely no evidence to indicate any legitimacy to your response, so if anything, you're simply assuming that just because you're more knowledgeable in an area of technicality, you're automatically more skilled than him in the actual game.

 

[Milos]

no that's not it

i based it off of his join date....

and you're worse then him, judging by yours.

:/

 

[halcyon.days]

no that's not it

i based it off of his join date....

and you're worse then him, judging by yours.

:/

Awesome show of elitism.

I didn't actually start playing Melee until August of 2008, but I like to think I'm decent.

 

[Milos]

...

sarcasm

join dates dont prove anything, someone amazing could join smashboards tomorrow if they're already good.

:/ <- this means kidding

 

[halcyon.days]

...

sarcasm

join dates dont prove anything, someone amazing could join smashboards tomorrow if they're already good.

:/ <- this means kidding

My bad. Sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet, and lots of people use emotes for no reason other than to use them lol.

 

[KirbyKaze]

You're all stupid

[/love]

But I hate all of you

[/sincerity]

Die in a fire

[/sarcasm]

I kill puppies when you're sleeping

[/ambiguous]

 

[MarsFool!]

So guys, whose talking about Fox in here :D

Lets get this topic back on track.

Fox Vs Samus is soooooo far in fox favor if you can double laser.

Discuss.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Just pick her to Pokefloats.

 

[MarsFool!]

I live in Flordia lol, **** like that doesnt fly well here >________>



I meaqn I honestly dont know if I should try and be faster amd just out tech her crouch cancelling BS (UAIRS blah blah blah)
Or go to green greens...and have a field day :D

 

[unknown522]

It's not too far in fox's favor, but he does well in every matchup so it's all good. probably 6-4, or so.

Camp her back with shine / lasers. Space B-air if she shields. If you know she's going to CC, then drill -> shine, then keep pressure, or move away from her. She is really annoying in the sense that you can't do much to her, but she can't do much either. Edgeguarding is super easy once you get her off the stage.

When she tries to recover, she usually has no choice but to go low. Use invincibility from the ledge and shine her when she grapples, or does up-b to recover. Edge hog her after you shine her away from the stage, try not to let her hug the wall when you shine her.

Don't give her the chance to CC -> D-smash your ***, or up-B out of shield on you.

 

[Meneks]

I said "I'm pretty sure that's impossible", I didn't say "Oh I can't do that", and that my hands/whatever are probably faster than yours. You're telling me to shut up and telling me stuff that I didn't say? Who's getting personal now?

I can't "see" frames so when I JC my shine it's not like I know "Oh ****, I JC'd it exactly 2 frames". I may actually be doing it, but I don't have AR or equivalent to know exactly when I JC my shine.




Press your shield button, and hold the c-stick either left, down or right. For instance, if you do a down air with Falco and you l-cancel with L. You do the dair, and after hitting L to l-cancel, HOLD IT and a c-stick direction. The first possible moment you can spotdodge/roll you will.

Oh yeah, and since when does me saying "I'm faster" mean "I'm better"? I think you need to learn the english language.

Thanks... And im aware you can use this to get out of chain grabs...your sig is sick btw

 

[Tomacawk]

wow meneks get off his balls that sig is not sick

 

[RaynEX]

So guys, whose talking about Fox in here :D

Lets get this topic back on track.

Fox Vs Samus is soooooo far in fox favor if you can double laser.

Discuss.

Fox wins the match-up even without double laser. Unknown522 covered it already. Bair, laser, edge-guard done. Don't d.i. into her combos and she can't do much else. Use shine to REFLECT ****. It actually helps sometimes.

wow meneks get off his balls that sig is not sick

About that sig...

I can do that.

 

[Silent Wolf]

You're all stupid

[/love]

But I hate all of you

[/sincerity]

Die in a fire

[/sarcasm]

I kill puppies when you're sleeping

[/ambiguous]

The only way that could be sarcasm is if you meant to offend, otherwise it's verbal irony, just sayin..

 

[KirbyKaze]

I usually mean to offend, so that works out conveniently.

 

[cykofox]

you offend me cuz youre such an attention *****

 

[Miggz]

I usually mean to offend, so that works out conveniently.

KirbyKaze...your user pic actually looks pretty wicked.

I can't believe I just noticed.

 

[RaynEX]

you offend me cuz youre such an attention *****

He just loves this game more than your average player does.


edit: We should have a smash love tier list.

edit2: Fox only

edit3: Oops. Fox players only.

 

[Miggz]

He just loves this game more than your average player does.


edit: We should have a smash love tier list.

edit2: Fox only

edit3: Oops. Fox players only.

I'm up for it.

I love the idea.

Can you say poll? =P

p.s.

You are hard to reach, Mr. RaynEX.

I was basically trying to get an idea of how my visits would work when I go to Toronto in January. You know to see what is convenient for you and whatnot. I know this is like next year January, but I'm just too excited. Haha. Although we could probably plan it out on MSN or something...

 

[DippnDots]

Can you jump cancel out of a shine into a turn around grab/fast enough for shield pressure? And furthermore, can you jump cancel out of shine into anything? TY in advance.

 

[Tomacawk]

u can jc a shine into anything that you could out of a dash or a shield (shine, usmash, grab)
I'm not sure if it stuns long enough to turn in your shine and grab a shield, you'll have to wait for raynex or sw

 

[KirbyKaze]

you offend me cuz youre such an attention *****

I'm very narcissistic.

He just loves this game more than your average player does.

You're silly.

KirbyKaze...your user pic actually looks pretty wicked.

Ness is too good.

 

[RaynEX]

Can you jump cancel out of a shine into a turn around grab/fast enough for shield pressure? And furthermore, can you jump cancel out of shine into anything? TY in advance.

You dair/bair/nair your opponent and land behind them:

If they continue shielding you can shine turnaround JC grab. Your shine will beat their next move out of shield if they attempt to retaliate after your aerial. If they play it smart and react after the shine, I'm still fairly certain the grab will get them anyways. Its best used vs. Jiggs/Peach, or an opponent you know will sit in shield and wait.

You can JC a running shine and combo it into: nair, dair, bair, fair AND uair.

You can also combo running shine, turnaround JC bair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDS29gYEsaM

u can jc a shine into anything that you could out of a dash or a shield (shine, usmash, grab)

You are correct. 10 points.

 

[kozimoto]

it might be a few 100 pages back.... when try to waveshine, and i can wavedash out of the first shine but i cant seem to do another shine fast enough, right now i side B off the edge like a scrub.... is there anything I can do to fix this, it pisses me off

AND......

has anyone ever heard of a person playing claw for smash bros, i try for fun but it makes SHDL a lot easier, i would like to know if there are any claw fox players or smash players in general that are somewhat sucessful in competitive play.

 

[MarsFool!]

it might be a few 100 pages back.... when try to waveshine, and i can wavedash out of the first shine but i cant seem to do another shine fast enough, right now i side B off the edge like a scrub.... is there anything I can do to fix this, it pisses me off

AND......

has anyone ever heard of a person playing claw for smash bros, i try for fun but it makes SHDL a lot easier, i would like to know if there are any claw fox players or smash players in general that are somewhat sucessful in competitive play.

Just relax and practice it. Chances are youre not letting your thumb go back to the down position before you hit b again.

AND.....


I play claw, and colbol plays claw. I dont do it to Double laser, I do it because it allows me to jc my shines faster then moving my hand to press y. It also gives me a much greater angle of control than just my thumb on the stick.