Da Shuffla
Smash Lord
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After the waveshine> Jab, I would just go for a grab or Usmash.
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
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PCHU
Smash Lord
Ok.
I'm in training mode now, setting the cpu to attack.
I'm just figuring out what combos and what doesn't.
I found out I need to waveshine faster.
I'm in training mode now, setting the cpu to attack.
I'm just figuring out what combos and what doesn't.
I found out I need to waveshine faster.
This won't teach you how to switch up your combo by reacting to your opponent's DI, because the computer DIs the same way every time. Also, this won't teach you how to DI a human opponents combo, so a good Falcon player would tool on you.
hubble
Smash Ace
<3 Variola.
Practice shdl waveshine to 189 multishines and you'll beat mango. Promise.
I need help tech chasing, im so bad at it.
Help?
Practice shdl waveshine to 189 multishines and you'll beat mango. Promise.
I need help tech chasing, im so bad at it.
Help?
unknown522
Some guy
just react to what your opponent does. Fox has enough speed to make tech chasing guaranteed and not require guessing (except vs sheik sometimes).
PCHU
Smash Lord
I'm aware.
I just wanted to see what I could fit in before hitstun wore off.
But what all CAN I do?
People act like I have all these options when I really don't.
I don't really know what to do.
My tech skill is alright.
Not at a pro level, but it's getting there.
I just want to know how to get better.
Once I get better, I can apply the stuff I learned in different ways.
But I can't do that if I don't know how to better myself.
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
It took you 1 minute and 46 seconds to use a nair in that first match...lol
Miggz
Pancake Sandwiches
Instead of simply pressing "Y" or whatever button you use to jump cancel your shield, angle your analog stick in the proper wave dash angle and while pressing Y and L/R button. Its kind of hard for me to explain. I do it subconsciously.
unknown522
Some guy
wow, never though of that.
I just do a wavedash like I normally would, with Y+L.
Some people use one button to shield and the other to wavedash. You could try that.
I just do a wavedash like I normally would, with Y+L.
Some people use one button to shield and the other to wavedash. You could try that.
Miggz
Pancake Sandwiches
Yeah my explanation was kind of worded weird. lol
I know few people who shield with L and wave dash with R. Me personally, I use my R button for both...even for my canceling. lol My L button is mad stiff. Haha.
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
I actually used to do a bunch of weird stuff. I think I used to Shield/Wavedash/Tech with R but Shield grab/L-cancel with L. Thankfully, once I found out about Wavedash OOS I trained myself to do everything with L except wavedash which I do with R.
PCHU
Smash Lord
Weird.
I wavedash with R, waveSHINE with L, shield with R, shield grab with R, and L-cancel with R.
knightpraetor
Smash Champion
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well, you're obviously looking for tech skill things to practice, so i'll give some advice.
1. Practice hard shield into wavedash until you can do it fluidly out of shield all the way around the screen. Waveshine link into every possible move. Full run to waveshine to grab marth.
practice nair to shine to nair to shine to dair to shine to wd backwards to turn around nair to shine to...you get the point.
practice nair to shine to thunder's combo on fox.
Practice perfect wavelanding from the ledge with fox.
practice reverse wavelanding from shorthops with fox. Practice upthrow upair on different weight classes till you never miss; i think with attack on they DI behind you...which is the main one you should practice.
practice ledgeteching with fox, if you can find a way to get the comp to DI away or in, practice upthrow to nair to regrab (catch them before they land...dunno if it will work against comp DI though..works on most humans quite a bit) against fox/falco.
practice JC upsmash out of shield whenever the comp does any move on you. Practice wd out of shield after every move the comp does on your shield, so you learn hitstun better. same with dair OOS.
Practice powershielding the comp's lasers when the comp plays falco and you get far away sometimes he'll go into infinite laser mode. Though it's better to practice this against actual people. Pracice always holding down after any major attack that has enough lag, ie Dash attack, upsmash, JC grab..practice this against lvl 9 so he'll hit you after you purposefully miss, so that you can practice CC.
1. Practice hard shield into wavedash until you can do it fluidly out of shield all the way around the screen. Waveshine link into every possible move. Full run to waveshine to grab marth.
practice nair to shine to nair to shine to dair to shine to wd backwards to turn around nair to shine to...you get the point.
practice nair to shine to thunder's combo on fox.
Practice perfect wavelanding from the ledge with fox.
practice reverse wavelanding from shorthops with fox. Practice upthrow upair on different weight classes till you never miss; i think with attack on they DI behind you...which is the main one you should practice.
practice ledgeteching with fox, if you can find a way to get the comp to DI away or in, practice upthrow to nair to regrab (catch them before they land...dunno if it will work against comp DI though..works on most humans quite a bit) against fox/falco.
practice JC upsmash out of shield whenever the comp does any move on you. Practice wd out of shield after every move the comp does on your shield, so you learn hitstun better. same with dair OOS.
Practice powershielding the comp's lasers when the comp plays falco and you get far away sometimes he'll go into infinite laser mode. Though it's better to practice this against actual people. Pracice always holding down after any major attack that has enough lag, ie Dash attack, upsmash, JC grab..practice this against lvl 9 so he'll hit you after you purposefully miss, so that you can practice CC.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lI6PN4-ZeQ
first game
what do yall think? I've been waiting weeks for games of my fox in tourny to be uploaded but mother****ers be slackin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3LA5oex5W8
3:20 or so is when my fox is there, i was kind of stoned still (johns)
first game
what do yall think? I've been waiting weeks for games of my fox in tourny to be uploaded but mother****ers be slackin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3LA5oex5W8
3:20 or so is when my fox is there, i was kind of stoned still (johns)
Nice fox. Very fast, aggressive and technical. My kind of fox.
However, you could afford to slow down in some places, and pay more attention to spacing and your opponent. For example, in the match against mario, you kept grabbing him, then trying to upthrow->stuff as fast as possible, and almost every time you got hit by his nair. What you might try instead is just upthrow, and then wait. Then if he nairs, you have enough time to hit him with any move you like. If he jumps out, then you can catch him with a nair on the way down, and juggle him off the stage and edge guard.
You could also be a little more patient in your edgeguarding. When your opponent is trying to get back on the stage, instead of jumping out to intercept, just wait on/near the edge and let him come to you.
These are very common problems that technical foxes have. It's important to realize that you don't always have to go as fast as you are able to. Learning when to go all out and when to hold back is extremely useful, because it ultimately allows you to control the pace and flow of the match.
However, you could afford to slow down in some places, and pay more attention to spacing and your opponent. For example, in the match against mario, you kept grabbing him, then trying to upthrow->stuff as fast as possible, and almost every time you got hit by his nair. What you might try instead is just upthrow, and then wait. Then if he nairs, you have enough time to hit him with any move you like. If he jumps out, then you can catch him with a nair on the way down, and juggle him off the stage and edge guard.
You could also be a little more patient in your edgeguarding. When your opponent is trying to get back on the stage, instead of jumping out to intercept, just wait on/near the edge and let him come to you.
These are very common problems that technical foxes have. It's important to realize that you don't always have to go as fast as you are able to. Learning when to go all out and when to hold back is extremely useful, because it ultimately allows you to control the pace and flow of the match.
PCHU
Smash Lord
1. I've got it down, but I'll practice.
2. I've got it down, but I'll practice.
3. I forgot what thunder's combo was. I'll look it up again and practice.
4. I've actually been practicing this for awhile, and I've got it down, but practice never hurts.
5. Also been practicing for awhile, but I'll continue.
6. I've only ledgeteched once, and that's because I tend to get to the ledge before I'm hit.
But I will practice.
7. I can do this already, but I haven't used it. I'll keep it in mind.
8. So THAT'S what I was going to practice! I forgot about it.
Alright, I'll be sure to keep all of this in mind.
Thanks for the help.
Alix
Smash Rookie
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i picked up fox recently and have a couple of specific questions
1. the thunders combo...which to my belief is waveshine -> jab reset -> shffl uair -> usmash
for some reason after i waveshine my jab does not reach the fox or falco on the ground...is this because i am not wavedashing far enough? or are you supposed to wavedash twice after the waveshine...it seems like i am already wavedashing out of the shine as far as it can go..but perhaps i am wrong?
2. my mindgames are horrible. this is especially apparent when im playing a good samus (which my friend mains) what are some good combos one can perform on samus? ( if any) and what are some ways you can put yourself in seemingly vulnerable positions to bait them to attack..should you approach a samus or should samus approach you, and uthrow-> uair doesnt seem to work on samus because they can nair out unless im very much mistaken..what are some ways that you would use to cause samus to leave openings to attack? To give some details my friend likes to crouch cancel dsmash, missile spam,nair, and most of all ftilt, which are actually all things samus' should do to my knowledge.
How would i deal damage to samus without taking like twice the damage back? grabbing seems difficult due to the insanely annoying amounts of ftilts that seem to foil all my approaches? advice? >.<
1. the thunders combo...which to my belief is waveshine -> jab reset -> shffl uair -> usmash
for some reason after i waveshine my jab does not reach the fox or falco on the ground...is this because i am not wavedashing far enough? or are you supposed to wavedash twice after the waveshine...it seems like i am already wavedashing out of the shine as far as it can go..but perhaps i am wrong?
2. my mindgames are horrible. this is especially apparent when im playing a good samus (which my friend mains) what are some good combos one can perform on samus? ( if any) and what are some ways you can put yourself in seemingly vulnerable positions to bait them to attack..should you approach a samus or should samus approach you, and uthrow-> uair doesnt seem to work on samus because they can nair out unless im very much mistaken..what are some ways that you would use to cause samus to leave openings to attack? To give some details my friend likes to crouch cancel dsmash, missile spam,nair, and most of all ftilt, which are actually all things samus' should do to my knowledge.
How would i deal damage to samus without taking like twice the damage back? grabbing seems difficult due to the insanely annoying amounts of ftilts that seem to foil all my approaches? advice? >.<
1. For thunders to work, you have to wavedash far and fast. Make sure to hold the control stick as close to horizontal as possible, and try to waveshine as fast as you can without messing up.
2. You might want to bring this up in the matchup thread for more detailed answers, but your basic tools against samus are drillshine->upsmash, spaced back air, and lasers. Samus doesn't approach too well, so if you can avoid her missiles while racking up damage with lasers, and force her to come to you, you will be at an advantage.
Finally, if you get a grab, you can't actually combo out of it. However, samus is still at a huge disadvantage if you are below her. So you can upthrow then watch what she does, and respond accordingly.
2. You might want to bring this up in the matchup thread for more detailed answers, but your basic tools against samus are drillshine->upsmash, spaced back air, and lasers. Samus doesn't approach too well, so if you can avoid her missiles while racking up damage with lasers, and force her to come to you, you will be at an advantage.
Finally, if you get a grab, you can't actually combo out of it. However, samus is still at a huge disadvantage if you are below her. So you can upthrow then watch what she does, and respond accordingly.
In order to get the jab reset for the start of Thunders combo, you have to wavedash out of shine as fast as you can and jab. While having a long wavedash helps, it's not necessary to get the jab reset, but it makes it easier to follow up with a shffl uair.
you know how uthrow -> uair is hard with fox on jiggs or w/e, does anyone just uthrow with the cstick and buffer the jump with up on the cstick to get the quickest possible jump? I just want to know if this has worked for people and if anyone actually does it regularly.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I just U-throw Uair her lol
There are two things to consider. First, jiggs is light, so your throw animation is shorter for for, meaning you can move sooner than against most characters. Second, it is essential that you jump, then double and upair at the same time. This is as opposed to waiting till the peak of your jump to upair, which gives enough time for her to escape.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Be more patient. You threw away alot of uthrow -> pressure opportunities. Uthrow uair doesn't work on Mario, so wait for the DJ then get him.
Oh, and I'm back from Europe. 2 weeks without smash was depressing.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
I've known it didn't work for a long time, I'm really not sure why I kept trying to do stuff anyway.
I'll have more vids up soon. I almost broke a shield with multishines in one of them :O
I'll have more vids up soon. I almost broke a shield with multishines in one of them :O
thumbswayup
Smash Master
Raynex how do you shine nair other spacies? I can't use the control stick to do it cause I always end up doing an up air when I push A right after the shine. And when I use Y to jump out of it, it's fast but it's not fast enough to hit them with the nair right after the shine.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
you need a running start IMO
I can do it with up or y but I would rather shine->usmash, unless you intend to run up to them and begin shield pressure after the nair if the shine misses or if they shield it
I'd say it's easier with up, but you might try y+z if you can't get the nair out quick enuf
I can do it with up or y but I would rather shine->usmash, unless you intend to run up to them and begin shield pressure after the nair if the shine misses or if they shield it
I'd say it's easier with up, but you might try y+z if you can't get the nair out quick enuf
Da Shuffla
Smash Lord
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Y and Z is the best option, imo.
if you are trying to hit the second nair....actaully i have no idea. I don't think you can even with a running start
Milos
Smash Lord
yea you can, watch the video on my youtube of shiz vs my jiggs, he nair shine nairs me, not my shield lol
youtube.com/milosloveshimself
all dai
you dont even need a running start, but the nair has to come out real quick and you need to buffer your jump out of shine or jump out on the first or maayyyybe second frame
youtube.com/milosloveshimself
all dai
you dont even need a running start, but the nair has to come out real quick and you need to buffer your jump out of shine or jump out on the first or maayyyybe second frame
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
You can't buffer jumps.
Milos
Smash Lord
yes you can out of shine, there's no fox shine guide but read the falco shine guide, i promise you can
Milos
Smash Lord
need falco help
i just am not good at setting up first hits
i'm primarily asking you raynex, cause the falco i gotta deal with is ritz and i know you played a **** ton with him at RoM, so how can i set up first hits and combos vs his falco?
i just am not good at setting up first hits
i'm primarily asking you raynex, cause the falco i gotta deal with is ritz and i know you played a **** ton with him at RoM, so how can i set up first hits and combos vs his falco?
Faithkeeper
Smash Lord
Milos
Smash Lord
oh well i only use user control panel, and the falco one is the only one i've posted in
either way, you can still buffer jump out of shine, this is a topic about fox, not swf
either way, you can still buffer jump out of shine, this is a topic about fox, not swf
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
You have to press jump within 1/20th of a second after pressing shine in order to buffer a jump. Sorry, but even with the control stick I'm pretty sure that's impossible.