Desh
Smash Ace
LMFAOOOO... O_O
jesus . Sig'ing that.
jesus . Sig'ing that.
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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
edit: desh is fast
Desh
Smash Ace
So so fast.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
almost as fast as a tree
Desh
Smash Ace
a tree on fire
well you need to think about how your character apparently only needs 2 moves to beat characters and still manages to drop sets!
HAHA
raynex and vwinz for canadian..... presidents/monarchs/prime ministers/kings/whatever in the **** they have up there.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
lolz
idk bernard and vincent are better than me
same with a whole lot of people from canada, i just get lucky randomly and then when my luck runs out i lose and get owned really badly
idk bernard and vincent are better than me
same with a whole lot of people from canada, i just get lucky randomly and then when my luck runs out i lose and get owned really badly
Never mind that.
Some dickhole name Vyse already made one.
And it sucks. Not one mention of a dunk anywhere.
um, reverse upB Oos is great vs marth, as you can actually shield against him without being as ***** as against fox/falco/peach. Also, it's great against jiggz, as the first hit sends her far enough away to let you recover, even on DL.
Vs roy, treat the matchup like a slow marth player. Bait d-tilts, and f-air the *****. Or dash attack-jab. His jump->fair isn't as fast, and it clashes with all ground moves except sweetspot f-smash and perhaps dancing blade (I think--haven't played roys in awhile).
F-air to grab works at low perent (on both him and marth), and also, remember the invisible ceiling hen countered ^_^
Vs roy, treat the matchup like a slow marth player. Bait d-tilts, and f-air the *****. Or dash attack-jab. His jump->fair isn't as fast, and it clashes with all ground moves except sweetspot f-smash and perhaps dancing blade (I think--haven't played roys in awhile).
F-air to grab works at low perent (on both him and marth), and also, remember the invisible ceiling hen countered ^_^
otg
Smash Master
The fact that Roy can't SHDF is enough for me not to treat him like Marth and pimp smack his ***.
MaDWaK
Smash Journeyman
I have a Question Vs Sheik
Lets say your going up to do a full hopped Dair on her and she shields and grabs when you hit the ground. Is that grab free? like is their nothing for me to do if I knew that grab was coming? I try to DI away and bait her grab but That somehow doesn't work for me and she always ends up grabbing.
And I'm also wondering you you guys's Docs do in tournaments? Every tourney Ive been to people would always switch to falcon If I win the first match. My doc can hold its own, but I swear Doc has literally nothing over him lol. (besides edgeguarding/ cging with combos out maybe?)
Lets say your going up to do a full hopped Dair on her and she shields and grabs when you hit the ground. Is that grab free? like is their nothing for me to do if I knew that grab was coming? I try to DI away and bait her grab but That somehow doesn't work for me and she always ends up grabbing.
And I'm also wondering you you guys's Docs do in tournaments? Every tourney Ive been to people would always switch to falcon If I win the first match. My doc can hold its own, but I swear Doc has literally nothing over him lol. (besides edgeguarding/ cging with combos out maybe?)
don't fast fall the full hop dair so you can jump out of it/do another aerial to jab on their shield.
otg
Smash Master
DI the Dair so you end up behind her shield? I don't see why you would DI the Dair to the front of his shield anyway.
anthony000
Smash Journeyman
^ exactly go through the shield. And on the note of weird, rare matchups, I asked about game and watch 2 pages ago...
Get name search ***** vulcan. XD IM NOT GUNNA DEFEND YOU IF VYSE WANTS TO UNLEASH A COMBO. XDWell excuuuuuuse me Princess.
Nobody's stopping you from making a better one
To some degree, it depends on when you do it. If you D.air as you go up, you can actually slide a n.air or u.air in there, so that they cant grab you at that point. If you try to make your d.air auto cancel (or l cancel it in their face), yes that's punishable...
..just do like everybody says and dont land in their face.
Um.... what? Are you asking what Doc does vs Capfal?
Oh, that one's kinda funny.
First and foremost, this is (imo) the only matchup in the game where port priority changes the match. If you're a higher port, g&w will bounce from your d.throw like normal. If you're lower, he'll just stick to the ground like g&w vs alot of characters. (Super Gaylay Bros).
In this matchup, g&w can be as light as he wants, and he can have as terrible of a shield as he wants; he beats doc's range pretty well. So with that being said, he actually can do fairly well to keep doc out.
If he's coming in with an aerial, you probably dont want to challenge it. You're not going to beat his d.air. If he comes in with a f.air, you might be able to catch him with a f.tilt or u.tilt if you call bad spacing. Same thing with b.air, although you generally have more time to punish that.
As you come in on g&w, you have to fake and mixup how you're coming in. He realistically has an answer to everything you want to try. The best way to get in is coming over a d.tilt, imo; but note that if you telegraph a jumpin, he's liable to u.tilt or retreating f.air.
The one thing you have to really avoid against g&w is getting off the stage. His recover is good enough (read: goes high enough) to where he can chase you pretty far out and stop doc's recovery. As long as he guesses right, there's not too much you can do to stop him.
On the other side of it, when you're edgeguarding g&w, understand that him going "low" is pretty much lower than anything you've probably ever seen. If he's close to the ledge, he can back you off with a f.air, but if he's coming from any distance you still have to hang around longer than usual to look for a ss.
Dunk his ***. It's like dunkin jiggs, but you get that awesome NEE-NEE-NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE when you hit. XD
JPOBS
Smash Hero
doc's got nothing on falcon? news to me
Shroomed
Smash Master
dogy/other ppl
go watch me vs zelgadis' sheik and tell me what i did wrong
G&W is ****in gay to play against as doc
but fair>jab almost breaking his shield is koo
go watch me vs zelgadis' sheik and tell me what i did wrong
G&W is ****in gay to play against as doc
but fair>jab almost breaking his shield is koo
I watched them earlier, and I was going to leave some comments cause you werent on aim.
And then I got distracted by some posts on here.
I remember that you landed in front of zel too **** much. XD
I'll watch again and leave some stuff.
And then I got distracted by some posts on here.
I remember that you landed in front of zel too **** much. XD
I'll watch again and leave some stuff.
otg
Smash Master
You held your own shroomed, Sheiks a ***** of a matchup for Doc.
Shroomed
Smash Master
yea, otg
i used to like it, and then i started playing vs good shieks lol
yea, i probably got grabbed WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY too much
i used to like it, and then i started playing vs good shieks lol
yea, i probably got grabbed WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY too much
st viers, have you played nito?
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
I know I'm late for this, but vs Roy, his optimal range is actually tipper range for b/dtilt, or 3/4 fair range.
There were a few other misconceptions (his recovery really isn't that bad), but one thing I didn't see mentioned that NEEDS to be done vs Roy is CC. Seriously, CC ruins his entire game. If you don't CC, Roy can take down a good chunk of the cast. With it, though, he becomes a TERRIBLE character, getting punished for even his best moves. His only safe option vs you below 50% is grab.
...Whaaaaaaaaaat?
And Brawl players.
I stopped playing GG for like... 3 months. Played HDR/SFIV for about 1 1/2, went to FR this year, and my Zappa was actually doing alright against a good chunk of people. There was a Baiken player that beat me, and that's about it. But that was friendlies, and there were a LOT of scrubs in both GG and SFIV there. I kinda wished I entered those tournaments. D:
I wanna discuss game mechanics and all that shiz more, but I need to get going.
There were a few other misconceptions (his recovery really isn't that bad), but one thing I didn't see mentioned that NEEDS to be done vs Roy is CC. Seriously, CC ruins his entire game. If you don't CC, Roy can take down a good chunk of the cast. With it, though, he becomes a TERRIBLE character, getting punished for even his best moves. His only safe option vs you below 50% is grab.
Whaaaaat? SFIV is scrub compared to the KoF series? The series that allows U. Rugal IN TOURNAMENT?
...Whaaaaaaaaaat?
And less than 90% of the old Melee community. Yuna is scrub. He only seems intelligent to people that failed reading comprehension tests geared towards primary school students.
And Brawl players.
It provides fundamentals, not a how to play every fighting game ever. Unless you're playing 3s. That kinda disregards the basis behind SF.
I stopped playing GG for like... 3 months. Played HDR/SFIV for about 1 1/2, went to FR this year, and my Zappa was actually doing alright against a good chunk of people. There was a Baiken player that beat me, and that's about it. But that was friendlies, and there were a LOT of scrubs in both GG and SFIV there. I kinda wished I entered those tournaments. D:
Yeah, I'm not too hyped for BB. It looks too slow for my tastes. KoFXIII is lookin' mighty fine to me. Just give me Rock and I'll be happy, srsly.
I wanna discuss game mechanics and all that shiz more, but I need to get going.
@macman--I am in fact pretty good friends w/ him. Don't get to play him much, but beat him pretty hard when we play ^__^
His ledgegame is mad good though (It's like we've both learned from some awesome sheik user from newton, idk =P)
I've only beaten nuro like once ever though (before either of us were good like 4 years ago now), though haven't played him in melee recently...
His ledgegame is mad good though (It's like we've both learned from some awesome sheik user from newton, idk =P)
I've only beaten nuro like once ever though (before either of us were good like 4 years ago now), though haven't played him in melee recently...
Okay, then.
You should go play ArcNasty, he lives off the wellington stop.
edit: Lets talk doc dittos
Shroomed
Smash Master
Doc dittos are all about the dsmashing and bairs
throw a few fairs in and some mindgame tricks too
dogy, do i spot dodge too much?
throw a few fairs in and some mindgame tricks too
dogy, do i spot dodge too much?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
yes .
Lol. Play green mario or smashmac in some doc dittos and see what you think about it.
Really, doc dittos are the only dittos in the game with no actual "gimmick" to it. It really comes down to who vs who.
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Here's my opinion about spotdodging/rolling.
1) Did you do it? Yes/no
2) Did you get punished for trying it? Yes/No
3) Did you get punished as you came out of it? Yes/no
If all 3 of those are not yes, you did something wrong.
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What struck me as odd as how many times you tried ledgehop f.air. Heck, i think it's odd how many times you guys tried to punish each other with f.air period. It doesnt work. Doc's f.air isnt that good.
I will say one thing, for a "Lebron vs Kobe" match, neither one of you guys dunked.
Wack.
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I didnt really watch to critique those as much as i just got some popcorn and enjoyed the show.
I get my fill of doc dittos anytime i play somebody. It's never the same. XD
Shroomed
Smash Master
im still not good enough at wavedashing outta my shield
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
You gots to practice it.
otg
Smash Master
I dunno, I think spotdodging needs to be used very sparingly. You do it enough times and you get ***** for it. Just my opinion though.
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what the....?
U. Rugal is in one game (Capcom vs. SNK 2) in which 1. I think he wasn't even broken, but I haven't played that game in ages and 2. I don't see him on the tier list so....
Shroomed
Smash Master
There's a guy who wants to talk to you.
He goes by the name of drephen.
And for the record, doc's spotdodge = sheik's spotdodge. Take that info how you will.
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and oh, shroomed. If he waited for you to spotdodge, that's courtesy. Doc/Samus works like this, whoever gets pissed and d.smashes first usually GETS downsmashed.
NOW SEE IF YOU COULD WAVEDASH OOS, YOU COULD PUNISH SAMUS D.SMASH LIKE A BOSS.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Drephen is old school.
You can't harness his powers without being old school.
You can't harness his powers without being old school.
otg
Smash Master
Yeah, drephen is on uber mindgames, but still for the most part, lots of spotdodging == bad.