Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!

[VGmasta]

If OTG did it...it would probably be something like.

"See, in this type of situation, you should this move here..cause its swag, and if you don't, you're mad fake."

Yeah and he'll throw in some "This is an immaculate approach, all the other approaches are fake because it doesn't work here in Tristate and NY is the best and stuff."

I vote Dogy to participate; the guy's got hilarious commentary.

 

[Palpi]

Well..tri-state is the best.

 

[Max?]

I have the recording set up with a mic and everything but I'm pretty unmotivated to do such a large undertaking. I'll pm kk a lil later

 

[Shroomed]

I'm losing interest in locals for unknown reasons guys.

We need more nationals that I can go to.

 

[Strong Badam]

win the locals, save $ for nationals?

 

[Shroomed]

I can't even make it to Midwest anymore. Had to cancel my flight because unexpected financial burdens came up.

 

[Max?]

Come to ROM4.

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

He doesn't want to enter, cuz he'll lose to SFAT

 

[KirbyKaze]

I can't even make it to Midwest anymore. Had to cancel my flight because unexpected financial burdens came up.

I understand. Missed APEX 2010 for vaguely similar reasons.

 

[sanchaz]

I can't even make it to Midwest anymore. Had to cancel my flight because unexpected financial burdens came up.

sad face @ shroomed. The midwest was interested in seeing you play man. maybe next time.

 

[Max?]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hgLZhTJ3-E

Some new matches of me vs. PC. There are a bunch on my channel and I'd love some critique, especially in dealing with a spacie like him who waveshine -> Usmashes and aerial -> shine grabs consistently.

I just couldn't resist showing this one off tho lol.

Here's more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B_CkfqN7tA

I'm starting to get really frustrated using this fake *** dentist.

 

[SmashMac]

In your second link at :13, don't you love it?

 

[Robsta]

What are Dr Mario's good matchups? I've been playing a lot of Doc recently and when I asked Mango he said Doc didn't have many or any good matchups against the most popular characters.

Also I was wondering who I should watch. I read the Doc guide in this section and have been watching a lot of Mac's stuff. Who else is a good doc to watch/learn shiz from?

 

[Dogysamich]

I wouldn't say he has any. Not by what people generally call a "good matchup". Ok, not, doesn't have any, but you don't see a single one till you get to low tier.

 

[ranmaru]

Jigglypuff. That's still hard sometimes. I go... FUCCCKKK. HOW DID I LOSE THAT.

 

[Max?]

You just really gotta play good and not **** up... and well thats really really really ****ing hard.

 

[Mew2King]

wow mango is so biased against the chars he uses the most lol

doc is **** just cuz between down and up throw, he can CG like everyone. That's very powerful in singles. Uair -> another attack is very very good too, and you can simply throw many chars off stage, get 1 read, and a Bair or Cape for a gimp. Having those tools for gimping, along with strong KO power, makes him a very good character

 

[Shroomed]

wow mango is so biased against the chars he uses the most lol

doc is **** just cuz between down and up throw, he can CG like everyone. That's very powerful in singles. Uair -> another attack is very very good too, and you can simply throw many chars off stage, get 1 read, and a Bair or Cape for a gimp. Having those tools for gimping, along with strong KO power, makes him a very good character

I never get these =(

I get all my kills from KO's.

Socal (S2J/Lovage) is coming up to Norcal this weekend and I missed the last local because I didn't feel like going. I'm going this time so expect some new vids hopefully guys.

 

[strawhats]

I never get these =(

I get all my kills from KO's.

Socal (S2J/Lovage) is coming up to Norcal this weekend and missed the last local because I didn't feel like going. I'm going this time so expect some new vids hopefully guys.

does Jeff still play? I know it's random but I haven't heard his name come up in mad long.

 

[Max?]

wow mango is so biased against the chars he uses the most lol

doc is **** just cuz between down and up throw, he can CG like everyone. That's very powerful in singles. Uair -> another attack is very very good too, and you can simply throw many chars off stage, get 1 read, and a Bair or Cape for a gimp. Having those tools for gimping, along with strong KO power, makes him a very good character

You should use him in tournament.

 

[Palpi]

I never get these =(

I get all my kills from KO's.

Socal (S2J/Lovage) is coming up to Norcal this weekend and I missed the last local because I didn't feel like going. I'm going this time so expect some new vids hopefully guys.

cause WC people DI into your combos

 

[Max?]

I'd say at least 50% of my KOs are gimps (probably more), 30% move/throw -> fair and 20% jank.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

20% of the time people walk into a strong nair hitbox

 

[Max?]

Everyone runs into that ****. They're like "oh it'll disappear by the time I get there ... **** I'M DEAD"

Part of that last 20% is people DIing Dsmash badly as well

 

[Robsta]

Shroomed I've been watching a lot of your games lately (you make me horny) and I noticed in the few games I've watched you play against spacies whenever you're in front you always try to throw them off the edge then dair and die. What are you trying to do?

Also could someone give me a list of what characters I can chain throw and with what throw. (Just the most played characters would be fine)

 

[VGmasta]

What are Dr Mario's good matchups? I've been playing a lot of Doc recently and when I asked Mango he said Doc didn't have many or any good matchups against the most popular characters.

Also I was wondering who I should watch. I read the Doc guide in this section and have been watching a lot of Mac's stuff. Who else is a good doc to watch/learn shiz from?

Ummm, Doc doesn't really have any "good" match ups unless we're talking about maybe Bowser or Kirby.

Besides SmashMac, you could learn stuff from BobMoney, Shroomed, OTG, Dogysamich, Boss, Pine, eighteenspikes, Velocity, VGmasta, Angrylobster. They've all got something to offer.

Jigglypuff. That's still hard sometimes. I go... FUCCCKKK. HOW DID I LOSE THAT.

Jigglypuff is not a great matchup either. Not with those overwhelming hitboxes. Not to mention that good recovery.

wow mango is so biased against the chars he uses the most lol

doc is **** just cuz between down and up throw, he can CG like everyone. That's very powerful in singles. Uair -> another attack is very very good too, and you can simply throw many chars off stage, get 1 read, and a Bair or Cape for a gimp. Having those tools for gimping, along with strong KO power, makes him a very good character

Now if only that chaingrab was more effective on stages beside strong those two neutrals (FD and Dreamland). And Doc's grab range pisses me off at the least, with makes it tough to even land a grab to begin with. If the spacies just ban FD at the start of the tournament match, we're already losing.

You should use him in tournament.

^^ This

Doc is bad because 3.5 kill moves: f-air, d-smash, f-smash, and maybe the b-air.

F-air is slow as *** and f-smash range is whack as crack. That b-air never kills Peach, Samus, or Jiggs (all of who are really good characters that we probably play in tournament.)

Doc might be a "****" character, he's not that good. He can't even realistically approach any good defenses. Who has found the answer to Fox's retreating b-airs?! Or Falco's retreating b-airs?!

I'm just glad Doc has that d-smash that stops people from crouch-cancel grabbing so willingly.

 

[Max?]

I had a post lined out to discuss some of the things you brought up in your last post Ricky, but I hate writing large walls of text as much as I hate reading them, so I decided to delete after spending probably 20 minutes on it LOL.

Ricky you should IM me when you get the chance.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I think you guys should use up tilt during your chain grabs more. It's really good, especially around 50%.

 

[VGmasta]

Ricky you should IM me when you get the chance.

Ah, maybe you have the answers I've been lookin' for?!

I think you guys should use up tilt during your chain grabs more. It's really good, especially around 50%.

I know this, but most ppl from my experience DI too far away from my up-tilt to connect into anything. That's when I just SH up-air --> grab or d-smash

 

[SmashMac]

I think you guys should use up tilt during your chain grabs more. It's really good, especially around 50%.

U-tilt is such a good move. The priority it has and the hit-box make it so good. Just the fact that it can cancel Marth's f-smash makes me laugh. And yeah it is good in between comboes. I've been experiencing with it in between CGs when around 50 - 55% against spacies. Usually these percentages are around the are that you know they can escape the CG so if you read their DI with a WD and u-tilt you can sometimes pull it off, then full-hop to dair or whatever the situation may call.

 

[ranmaru]

I think you guys should use up tilt during your chain grabs more. It's really good, especially around 50%.

I'll try that. Dunno how it'll come out. I'm just afraid that when I utilt, that's the end of mah comboz.

I haven't played smash in a while, and I will do so this Saturday. : D

 

[ye25]

Hey shroomed i got a question for you. So i was watching your recent matches at the latest ITT and noticed that against falcon you like to approach somewhat often with uair. I feel like those uairs are coming rly fast so im assuming your using up on control stick and a to do them instead of the cstick. Just wondering, whats your reasoning behind this?

 

[Max?]

Utilt below 50% is bad tho.

out of uthrow cg's i mean

 

[KirbyKaze]

I know you can u-throw > u-tilt > regrab if they DI the u-tilt away for a certain percent range, kind of like the Fox vs Fox chain grab, but with Doc instead.

If they choose to not DI your u-tilt away, you can either u-tilt more or up-angle f-smash. Both are reasonable options. Delay the u-tilt a bit if you repeat u-tilts (without delaying too long and dropping the combo obviously) because that keeps the opponent's height lower and increases the range where you can follow the opponent with f-smash and other important stuff.

I just don't really see why people uair at 50ish on non-DIed throws. Seems like such a waste.



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[VGmasta]

Hey shroomed i got a question for you. So i was watching your recent matches at the latest ITT and noticed that against falcon you like to approach somewhat often with uair. I feel like those uairs are coming rly fast so im assuming your using up on control stick and a to do them instead of the cstick. Just wondering, whats your reasoning behind this?

If they are SH up-airs he's doing, he is probably using the c-stick for those. Shroomed is very good. But I doubt he's doing SH up-airs using the control stick. It's 1000 times easier to just c-stick up-airs.

I know you can u-throw > u-tilt > regrab if they DI the u-tilt away for a certain percent range, kind of like the Fox vs Fox chain grab, but with Doc instead.

If they choose to not DI your u-tilt away, you can either u-tilt more or up-angle f-smash. Both are reasonable options. Delay the u-tilt a bit if you repeat u-tilts (without delaying too long and dropping the combo obviously) because that keeps the opponent's height lower and increases the range where you can follow the opponent with f-smash and other important stuff.

I just don't really see why people uair at 50ish on non-DIed throws. Seems like such a waste.

^^ Very true. This combo works really well. That 'delay' IS really important. If you up-tilt too soon after the upthrow, it gives your opponent a chance to air jump out of the combo.
Up-airing non-DIed throws (are you calling me out? lol) IS a waste since it doesn't lead into anything else most of the time. The only time I up-air non-DIed throws is when I misread DI.

 

[ye25]

You can do the uairs with the control stick if you sh then mash up and a right as you leave the ground. It comes out alot faster than the uair with the cstick. I dunno, seems like hes doing those unless hes moving VERY fast from to the c stick from x or y.

 

[KirbyKaze]

^^ Very true. This combo works really well. That 'delay' IS really important. If you up-tilt too soon after the upthrow, it gives your opponent a chance to air jump out of the combo.
Up-airing non-DIed throws (are you calling me out? lol) IS a waste since it doesn't lead into anything else most of the time. The only time I up-air non-DIed throws is when I misread DI.

I'm not calling you out. I don't mean to call out anyone in particular. It's just a behavior I commonly see and I don't really understand it; if there's a reason people do it, then I would be happy but I just think the up tilts are much better and I don't see them very often if ever.

 

[VGmasta]

You can do the uairs with the control stick if you sh then mash up and a right as you leave the ground. It comes out alot faster than the uair with the cstick. I dunno, seems like hes doing those unless hes moving VERY fast from to the c stick from x or y.

Everytime I've tried that, I end up double jumping, which puts me in an awful spot. Plus, that seems like more work than necessary. C-stick is so easy.

I'm not calling you out.

Didn't think you were, I was just kidding. Though, I still under-used up-tilt in my grab game at the moment.

 

[Palpi]

I see velocity use utilt when people illusion on to the stage, a lot of times it sets up for kobes. If it happens to get the good comboing part of the hitbox, they probably still go offstage anyway.

 

[Shroomed]

U-tilt is an amazing move! I probably do over-use it for sure. If I could get more gimps I'm pretty sure I'd be a super top level player.

Guess I'll just kill people off the top/sides for now. I lost to S2J this past weekend. Went to match 5. Falcon is definitely hard as **** if they play like he did.

Them legs are no joke.