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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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that dude is a ****in beast
the video editing was unnecessary tho
the video editing was unnecessary tho
Max?
Smash Champion
Yedi come to my house Saturday
Don't do it! It's a trap!
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OTG/Shroomed: what are your thoughts on the Falco and Sheik match-ups, ratio-wise?
Shroomed
Smash Master
Both are 60 them and 40 doc IMO.
Max?
Smash Champion
I can agree with that, I personally find Sheik to be a little tougher, but Shroomed is definitely way more confident and better at that matchup than I've seen any other Doc, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. I think that both spacies can be argued pretty close to evenish, but you aren't going to find many people that agree with me lol.
Max?
Smash Champion
At the end of the day, they probably are. Then it's probably Marth, then Falcon, then MAYBE Peach?, then a toss up of a number of characters, tho by that point and time we've pretty much hit the "close enough to even" mark where it doesn't matter.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Marth's the worst MU. Then Sheik, the spacies, Falcon, Ganondorf, Peach... in that order.
boss8
Smash Hero
i dnt mind fighting marth for some reason....
shiek n falco are MADDD HOMO...
fox is also homo...
shiek n falco are MADDD HOMO...
fox is also homo...
Max?
Smash Champion
Fox can be pretty gay, thank god 99.9% of Fox's can't Waveshine usmash or shinegrab.
boss8
Smash Hero
the other 1%
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Max?
Smash Champion
lol yeah pretty much
ranmaru
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I don't mind playing Marth or Peach either. No cash is much better at tippers now so I have to remember not to be at that distance hahaha.
But it's easy to gimp Marth. Not really. He has ton of options... but it's easy to bair him I guess. U kno?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Foxes should learn to claw up smashes.
Shroomed
Smash Master
I haven't lost to a Marth in a while.
He's easy.
He's easy.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Shroomed, you're a Bidoof.
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I never really understood that term. Like i know the pokemon, but wat?
boss8
Smash Hero
can we SDI falco's dair far enough to not get shined after?
talkin bout his SH dair....i would think it depends...
talkin bout his SH dair....i would think it depends...
Max?
Smash Champion
Boss do you mean while in shield or taking a hit?
boss8
Smash Hero
taking a hit....
Shroomed
Smash Master
Depends on how well they spaced the dair. If they're doing shield grab spacing and it stabs your shield then you can easily SDI far enough. If they're on your body then no.
I don't know what being a bidoof means either hahaha.
A mistake perhaps?
I don't know what being a bidoof means either hahaha.
A mistake perhaps?
boss8
Smash Hero
yea,which is why i said depends.....welp makes sense....
and this is a bidoof...
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/f/f5/399Bidoof.png/200px-399Bidoof.png
can fair on shield be shieldgrabbed if done properly? I used to think it couldn't be shield grabbed if you just fastfall + lc and then jab/dsmash after but i get shieldgrabbed all the time nowadays so I'm not sure if i'm just doin it wrong.
hit the bottom of their shield.
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yeah just delay your fair. fair -> jab can't be shieldgrabbed until after the jab.
Max?
Smash Champion
I mean, I can do it too and my Fox is pretty basic in terms of tech skill and execution....
I just think most Fox's are pretty bad on the low, don't know it's possible to Waveshine usmash Doc and/or are so ingrained to take Waveshine -> grab that they ignore the better alternative entirely.
Basically, most people that play this game now are bad.
I just think most Fox's are pretty bad on the low, don't know it's possible to Waveshine usmash Doc and/or are so ingrained to take Waveshine -> grab that they ignore the better alternative entirely.
Basically, most people that play this game now are bad.
SmashMac
Smash Lord
As far as the waveshine to usmash thing on Doc., it works if you waveshine perfectly and sometimes, if the Doc. SDIs the shine away you, may need to buffer a dash after the waveshine to connect the usmash. You can also u-throw - uair Doc. with Fox. Pretty difficult to do, but it does work.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
just running up smash its easy. X and up-C at the same time.
u docs ever gonna beat the top jiggs? i hear doc wins this MU cuz of pills and Cape to f smash to punish rests but idk ive not seen it in practice.
u docs ever gonna beat the top jiggs? i hear doc wins this MU cuz of pills and Cape to f smash to punish rests but idk ive not seen it in practice.
Aber
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x and up c? dont most ppl use up on the analog stick and up c? what fingers do you use? sorry that this is off topic lol
Anand
Smash Journeyman
Claw: index finger on X and thumb on C-stick. You just kind of rotate your whole hand upward to push X and smash up on the C-stick (almost? I think you have to push X one frame earlier) simultaneously. This way you don't have to stop holding analog stick in the direction you're running. Cactuar made a post about this pretty recently on the Fox boards.
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I thought u used Y and Cstick, m2k
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I dunno. I still have to work on that matchup. I think I need to improve on my pilling which is not good at all.
Jiggs is ez to manage but against a good jiggs I can lose, need more jiggs practice
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About the top docs, I dunno about them. Has shroomed played a good jiggs? I would like to see a vid of that
VGmasta
Smash Lord
That only works if Jiggs doesn't know how to maneuver through or around the pills, and if the Jiggs is a reckless Rest-er.
Hungrybox doesn't really let Doc space pills well enough for pill camping to ever work. And he's definitely not gonna throw out a bunch of missed Rests.
Shroomed has played against Hungrybox on video at least twice now. There's also OTG/DJ Nintendo vs Hungrybox from No Johns from like a year ago.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
I would imagine more horizontal space would be better for fighting Jiggs. I would treat Jiggs pretty much like Peach.
Max?
Smash Champion
Hmw, shroomed and myself have all gotten absolutely bodied by Hbox in tournament and had it recorded in the last year. Shroomed made a more impressive showing against him in Crews at Genesis 2, but still lost with a stock lead and was apparently ****** him in friendlies, so he might have a good shot at beating him. I've yet to play a **** Jiggs in tournament since, so I'm not sure where I stand against her, but yeah that matchup is not free by any means.
Shroomed
Smash Master
I didn't lose with a stock lead, I barely won. I will probably beat him next time, but I think the ONLY way to approach Hbox is wait for a chance to fullhop dair or trade fair with his dair. If there's platforms and such nairs can be good as well.
