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aight?
kool.
aight?
kool.
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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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lololol
i hope yur not srsly salty
i hope yur not srsly salty
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Too late, I'm gonna be tomahawk d-tilting on everyone at my smashfest tomorrow night. Thanks for the valuable asset addition to the Doc company.
Quote corrected.
Like seriously, you fell off the face of Melee after Tipped Off 6.
otg
Smash Master
Yedi def knows a few, but I got the master vault.
Anyway, I figured we should take a leaf from the Falcon boards and try to actually make our thread somewhat productive. I'll try my best to answer any questions you guys have, and hopefully Shroomed or someone who knows everything like Kirbykaze will come in here and help out as well.
Sup Dogy?
Anyway, I figured we should take a leaf from the Falcon boards and try to actually make our thread somewhat productive. I'll try my best to answer any questions you guys have, and hopefully Shroomed or someone who knows everything like Kirbykaze will come in here and help out as well.
Sup Dogy?
Rostigalen
Smash Journeyman
How to stop/beat/counter Fox SHNair-->Shine? For simplicity, lets say that he lands in front of you.
Shroomed
Smash Master
you have about 3 options
trade by using utilt
move the **** out of the way
try to space urself to where you can grab him after the nair/shine w/o getting hit
Rostigalen
Smash Journeyman
Does that mean my favourite Uair won't work? 
Time to adapt.
Thanks for the swift reply.
Time to adapt.Thanks for the swift reply.
otg
Smash Master
Shroomed pretty much covered it. I personally try to just get the **** out of the way, but I'm being more adventurous with utilt recently and having mostly good results. WD back with ftilt/dsmash is good, especially at lower %'s where it's safer to CC the nair.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
u-smash is too slow
edit:
Doc's Bair, Dair, and Uair can beat Fox's Nair if he's positioned correctly for them. Uair needs Fox above (tricky timing is tricky) so it's usually better to U-tilt or whatever in that case. Dair requires Fox below, which is troublesome. Bair you have to hit his face iirc.
Otherwise it's been covered by otg and Shroomed. Doc's limited.
edit:
Doc's Bair, Dair, and Uair can beat Fox's Nair if he's positioned correctly for them. Uair needs Fox above (tricky timing is tricky) so it's usually better to U-tilt or whatever in that case. Dair requires Fox below, which is troublesome. Bair you have to hit his face iirc.
Otherwise it's been covered by otg and Shroomed. Doc's limited.
otg
Smash Master
Tempest: I'm pretty sure usmash beats Fox's nair clean, the problem as KK mentioned is that it's a lil too slow. I think the move comes out on either frame 9 or 10 and only lasts til frame 13.... not really a large window there to exploit the invincibility. If you can time it properly, usmash will win it out, but it's tough. Try doing it if you anticipate the nair in advance, or its a low % and you wanna try to CC or something.
Also Shroomed, when you usmash OOS, do you ever try to use it when someone crosses up your shield with a move? The hitbox technically starts behind Doc and I've had more success landing it that way then in the usual "wait for them to **** up techskill" method which really doesn't work over here.
Also Shroomed, when you usmash OOS, do you ever try to use it when someone crosses up your shield with a move? The hitbox technically starts behind Doc and I've had more success landing it that way then in the usual "wait for them to **** up techskill" method which really doesn't work over here.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Shroomed does it from behind a lot more, atleast from what I have noticed.
otg
Smash Master
Word, that seems to be the main key to landing the move properly. Aside from the usual: way too laggy move into shield -> **** them for it.
Palpi
Smash Hero
It is almost like you need to preemptively do it, atleast from what I have gathered. Also, you hope they don't DI away, because it is hard to combo if they do.
Shroomed
Smash Master
usmash OOS i use on either side but it works better if they're behind you
you can punish sheik ftilt with it which a lot of ppl don't know, unless it's like perfectly spaced
DI on the usmash typically doesn't matter until really higher percents
i will only usmash OOS spacies that like to stay on the shield cuz they will almost always slow down after the 2nd nair/dair
you can punish sheik ftilt with it which a lot of ppl don't know, unless it's like perfectly spaced
DI on the usmash typically doesn't matter until really higher percents
i will only usmash OOS spacies that like to stay on the shield cuz they will almost always slow down after the 2nd nair/dair
SmashMac
Smash Lord
I don't see many Doc. players light-shield when getting shield-pressured. Unless you feel like doing something out of it like a usmash, a situational up+B cancel, whatever, light-shield usually can set them up for a well spaced WD out of shield to grab/dtilt/smash attack. Just something I remember doing a lot vs. Falco/CF/Fox players.
I've noticed though that u-smash is the best option out-of-shield really after watching some Shroomed tourney vids. and the safest, but only when attacking out of shield. otg, like you said, if they mess up on their tech-skill while shield-pressuring, then yes, it's an easy grab/punish. But for those players who hardly mess up on their tech skill, yeah u-smash or light-shield is the best option for defense or setting them up for a punish. At least most of the time. Only a couple players that I know will mind-game you to shield differently; not to expect that during their shield-pressuring with normal spacing, they will JC grab you, unexpectedly. That just sets you up to get manhandled. It's ok though, I've only seen a couple Falco/Fox players do that so for now don't worry about it just know what to expect because it will work.
I've noticed though that u-smash is the best option out-of-shield really after watching some Shroomed tourney vids. and the safest, but only when attacking out of shield. otg, like you said, if they mess up on their tech-skill while shield-pressuring, then yes, it's an easy grab/punish. But for those players who hardly mess up on their tech skill, yeah u-smash or light-shield is the best option for defense or setting them up for a punish. At least most of the time. Only a couple players that I know will mind-game you to shield differently; not to expect that during their shield-pressuring with normal spacing, they will JC grab you, unexpectedly. That just sets you up to get manhandled. It's ok though, I've only seen a couple Falco/Fox players do that so for now don't worry about it just know what to expect because it will work.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Yeah, I picked up on lightshielding about a year ago. I always ended up doing a bunch of teams matches against Renth and RockCrock (Double Ganons). It was impossible for my shield to take more that three hits without the lightshield. Now I lightshield always.
boss8
Smash Hero
pound 5 on friday!!!!
get hype docs....
get hype docs....
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Glad to see these Doc boards active again. I remember this thread being dead for like two months. Good luck to you all at Pound 5.
boss8
Smash Hero
you knw my fav combo?
taunt cancel>egdgeguard
taunt cancel>egdgeguard
pretty sure i invented that like a year ago.
talking to dogy.
taunt cancel to stage spike bair to be more specific.
otg
Smash Master
Doc's uair is pretty ****ing good.
unknown522
Some guy
man, haven't posted in the doc boards in a while.
Good to see dogy is still alive.
Good to see dogy is still alive.
Shroomed
Smash Master
viewtiful joe gives you cool points
VGmasta
Smash Lord
otg
Smash Master
Jreed as in Jason from NYC?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I recorded that set. Lol.
ranmaru
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resTy
Smash Champion
What should I do if Fox is pressuring me with aerial-shine tactics? I feel kind of locked down when he's inside my zone and doing moves. Should I just roll all the time?
ranmaru
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Hmmm. Wd back, grab/jab. Fox will probably over-shoot his attacks so try to predict his approach, wd back, and hope to miss his shines/aerials. Hopefully that might work.
@Otg: Nah, Jreed isn't from NY. He is from Easton, PA.
@Otg: Nah, Jreed isn't from NY. He is from Easton, PA.
Renth
Smash Hero
Wish you could make it buddy.
Shroomed
Smash Master
Palpi
Smash Hero
PA is gonna make its comback!
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
Pa has been doin real good lately.. if someone would help me find a venue maybe i could run some......
resTy
Smash Champion
Is there a specific moment you wait for to Usmash out of shield? I usually just do it randomly when I'm pressured and don't know what to do. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. You seem really consistent with it though. Care to share your secret?
Shroomed
Smash Master
i normally wait till around the second nair on my shield because almost everyone slows down a bit after hitting ur shield that much
the angle/size of the shield throws off their timing a little bit
one of my friend i smash with is a falco main and i find usmash OOS is great when they dair u and try to move behind ur shield after the dair but when they dair the front of ur shield and space backward what do u think i should do other than ftilt or wavedash forward and try to jab grab and have em sidestep any ideas from anyone would help ive been having some issues falco/shiek on doc
thanks i practice alot with doc but i need alot of work still i plan on being at alot of tourneys up coming so ill be down to do dollar money matches and **** lol all the practice the better
that would be great if we could host some tourneys closer to easton.. im 100% sure deff and lite would come with me
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
Was Ite at mad? Who was the big tan guy that played Falco? I believe he was in your crew. He looks EXACTLY like my friend lol. Should have gotten a picture with em.that would be great if we could host some tourneys closer to easton.. im 100% sure deff and lite would come with me