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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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otg
Smash Master
You can ask PC or Hax, they watched it happen.
Desh
Smash Ace
Doc=Samus. Definitely. Stupid match up, stupidly even.
Play smart. ta duuurrrr
Play smart. ta duuurrrr
The Good Doctor
Smash Champion
I have a match I want critiqued, but it's a third game of a set and I camp for 7:30 and still lose.
otg
Smash Master
I wasn't talking about Doc vs. Samus, I could careless if Samus "wins" that matchup or not. I'm talking about their viability in comparison to one another vs. the rest of the cast. Seems to me like Doc is better in that regard.
SmashMac
Smash Lord
Samus is overall still better than Doc. but that's my perspective of the character's comparison to eachother.
Ranmaru, I love you man but I hope you're trolling about the grab combos vs. Samus. You can't do much after a grab vs. her besides maybe a full-hope uair, bair. Grab combos vs. her are too situational. It's all about proper pill spam, spacing, fair spacing and fsmash, since she'll just CC almost anything you do into a fsmash, dsmash, up+B. And if she does up+B you you'll have to expect it so you can DI properly. The match is very haphazard. I've pulled some tricky mind-games off with reverse-capes and power-shields vs. her though that have granted me a match before.
Ranmaru, I love you man but I hope you're trolling about the grab combos vs. Samus. You can't do much after a grab vs. her besides maybe a full-hope uair, bair. Grab combos vs. her are too situational. It's all about proper pill spam, spacing, fair spacing and fsmash, since she'll just CC almost anything you do into a fsmash, dsmash, up+B. And if she does up+B you you'll have to expect it so you can DI properly. The match is very haphazard. I've pulled some tricky mind-games off with reverse-capes and power-shields vs. her though that have granted me a match before.
The Good Doctor
Smash Champion
Desh
Smash Ace
ranmaru
Smash Legend
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Hmmm, I was trying to think outside of the box. But I forget Samus can nair and do stuff to hinder us from following up... Lol.
Nah, I'm just up to par with the Samus match up is all. I need to play GOOD samuses more, lol. Not Chibo.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
I'd say you had the right idea for the most part. Your movement and ability to get away from Peach was at least mediocre. And your pill game was good.
The only thing I'd strongly suggest is to try different recoveries every once in awhile. Peach's b-air is a really good edgeguard against the "jump-in pill recovery" since her b-air hitbox is out for over 15 frames. I felt like that was working a bit too much for Peach though. Sometimes, it's better to go above Peach and d-air, or try to airdodge pass her.
And when you grab ledge, try to mix up the options from there. You did a bunch of ledgeclimbing that got punished. Try utilizing the invincibilty from the ledgegrab instead.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
why did you run to the other end of the stage when you forced Peach to grab the edge?
get under Peach and do up moves because it's good.
a lot of times you can follow or apply lots of pressure and possibly KO her but you forgo these chances to pill more.
grab him more.
you finally got punished for constantly using your full jump > double jump to space / feint at the very end.
get under Peach and do up moves because it's good.
a lot of times you can follow or apply lots of pressure and possibly KO her but you forgo these chances to pill more.
grab him more.
you finally got punished for constantly using your full jump > double jump to space / feint at the very end.
The Good Doctor
Smash Champion
My Doc is garbage, haha.
Thanks for the tips
The Good Doctor
Smash Champion
I was mad, so I kinda wanted to time him out. Also I have bad experiences attacking characters on the ledge, i dunno.
resTy
Smash Champion
Where do you throw Marth and how should you follow up? I usually Dthrow but Marth hits me before Fair comes out it feels. Am I just being too slow? Thanks.
Shroomed
Smash Master
yeah, you're doing it too slow
and i throw him down unless we're on the edge in which case i jus toss him off and proceed to edgeguard
otg
Smash Master
Yeah, this is it pretty much. Dthrow is your best friends vs. Marth unless you ca get him off stage with a throw.
Shroomed
Smash Master
why would you EVER throw marth up?
the only situation i can see where that isn't bad is teams and ur teammate is fox
the only situation i can see where that isn't bad is teams and ur teammate is fox
SmashMac
Smash Lord
Almost every normal floaty should be thrown down. Dthrow leads to so much stuff. Against Marth I usually will dthrow and full-hop rising dair if he doesn't DI, bair comboes if he DI's behind. At like 90% you can dthrow and rising fair for the kill. There are so many options out of dthrow vs. him, even situational options depending on the stage and spot that you're in. Only if they're a weighted floaty should you throw upwards, sometimes.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Yeah, up-throw is horrible unless Marth is at like 5% or less where you can follow up with up-air to jab/dsmash/regrab.
otg
Smash Master
From dthrow vs. Marth:
dthrow -> usmash connects starting from 0 til really late, probably even up til 40 or 50.
Dthrow -> dair -> other stuff is good if they don't DI
Dthrow -> uairs if they DI in front
Dthrow -> bairs if they DI behind, or if you're feeling ballsy you can go for a single DD -> uair chain in the mid % range.
dthrow -> usmash connects starting from 0 til really late, probably even up til 40 or 50.
Dthrow -> dair -> other stuff is good if they don't DI
Dthrow -> uairs if they DI in front
Dthrow -> bairs if they DI behind, or if you're feeling ballsy you can go for a single DD -> uair chain in the mid % range.
otg
Smash Master
I think dthrow -> usmash is the best option at 0%. It's roughly 30% and has the potential for a follow up of some kind depending on the situation. Someone awhile back mentioned that you can try to fthrow Marth and regrab him again at 0, but I've never tried this and I wouldn't ever risk it personally, just throwing it out there.
Outside of that, it's a ball game, just hope you land those grabs near kobe%'s.
Also, I now have new found respect for Doc's dtilt after picking up on this ******** gimmick prog was using on people as doc. **** is so good it really deserves a name.
Outside of that, it's a ball game, just hope you land those grabs near kobe%'s.
Also, I now have new found respect for Doc's dtilt after picking up on this ******** gimmick prog was using on people as doc. **** is so good it really deserves a name.
Beat!
Smash Master
This ain't mafia lol
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Desh
Smash Ace
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Probably U-throw D-tilt or something
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Hmmm.... *rubs chin*
otg
Smash Master
I'm keeping this dtilt trick off the boards, just like most of my good tricks. If people wana know it they can PM me or IM me or something.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Please don't be that guy (the one who has trouble understanding the differences between characters).
To your credit, though, u-throw isn't the worst option ever. It might be better than f-throw or b-throw, since you get positional advantage.
otg
Smash Master
Uthrow vs. smash might not be so terrible after a certain %. It's not like you are going to be able to link dthrow -> fair or anything, so might as well toss that ***** up and **** her as she comes down.
edited to protect the innocent
ranmaru
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Nah, it's just a habit. I do know the difference.Please don't be that guy (the one who has trouble understanding the differences between characters).
To your credit, though, u-throw isn't the worst option ever. It might be better than f-throw or b-throw, since you get positional advantage.
I guess with fox/falco I would have to remember to throw up since it's not an easy match against them, but marth/samus is less so. It's just when I throw I just throw up or down without thinking lol. Although I try to find ways to follow up then usual. :x
otg
Smash Master
That's only a part of the trick douche, and its quite an effective one at that. Good **** blowing up tricks on the boards, gotta keep the good stuff off of here.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
otg
Smash Master
Certain stuff needs to be kept off the boards. People lurk all the time, and the last thing I need is someone reading about something random I do on the boards and then being ready for it in tournament.
That said, I should probably stop teaching Yedi my Doc tricks since it's not like he uses Doc anymore and was terrible with him anyway. Seems like all he wants to do is troll, so I gotta protect my assets.
That said, I should probably stop teaching Yedi my Doc tricks since it's not like he uses Doc anymore and was terrible with him anyway. Seems like all he wants to do is troll, so I gotta protect my assets.
SmashMac
Smash Lord
Honestly, I wasn't sure anyone else knew about the d-tilt trix. Glad to see it's not just me.