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Let me ask you this:
Far from the truth, Zero deserves his success
Oh no, I'm not saying he didn't deserve it at all. He definitely did, but with this dominance comes the facade that there is no real competition, and a lack of true competition is boring to watch. This was never ZeRo's fault from the first place, it is just an unfortunate circumstance that no one can get on his level.
Ehh... places with bad to mediocre scenes. This happens.
look really really good against anyone. It kinda Ironic how he makes the full-time sheik mains look weaker then his .
Yes I meant regionals/Nationals. The data from tournaments like that are more important than someone winning 10-30 player sized locals with Samus or WFT.
(GGs Zero your matches vs Nairo were awesome )
The character you lost with in your final match matters more than the characters you won with in less difficult matches. That was my point.
It was just one match though. Nothing to celebrate yet.
People think defensive=campy, that's why.
Honestly those counter picks seemed like hail maries. That Samus and especially that Captain Falcon seemed like a "I'm losing anyway so I might as well try something different" situation.
I agree with this, but we should qualify it with some context, maybe.
The thing is Rosalina has good air speed, falls slowly so she can drift in and out, and her jump is good. Most characters have to get right in to hit anything and end up throwing a hurtbox and hitbox out. Weapon users have disjoints, but Shulk's Uair isn't fast compared to Rosalina's and he's not as tall as her which adds onto her ranged Uair.
Rosalina needs reads to kill. That's why nairo lived to like 180 vs him. If you're dying to Rosalina stuff it's on you. She doesn't have any kill setups. Dabuz lost to esam and nairo zss and pikachu are both bad mu's. People don't know the rosalina MU and don't cp her properly. There's maybe 5-7 characters she just loses to and most of them are top tier characters. All with better mobility frame data kill power and kill set ups.
Didn't they say something about EASM playing Samus in other games and a little in this one? I agree with what you're saying though.
There was a Bowser Jr., but I don't think he made it out of pools, but I don't know if he made it out of pools... I think the Bowser Jr., well, Morton, lost to Vinnie. Same with Mr. Game & Watch I think since I don't think GimR made it out. Lucas could have had a showing had Nakat didn't lose in pools like that. For the rest, they either didn't show up while Falco walked in and was buried on the spot after being murdered.To be honest, all that leaves is
I know she needs the kill, but at certain times, especially on Halberd where yes, anyone can kill early, it's been her to kill that early and that often. A little tweak to her Uair or something so that picking Halberd doesn't become like choosing a grave site since it's the stage for her like how Mii Brawler thrives on Smashville or was it Town & City?
and have the most trouble against Link. Thats not saying they don't win, though. Fox is combo bait for Link due to being a fast faller and he can't camp anymore because Link can now for the first time ever block his lasers with the Hylian Shield (yay \ / ). Luigi is gonna have a harder time approaching Link than before because his grab range is pretty long. He's also the most predictable out of the top 8 because his mobility isn't very good (meaning Sheik can stuff him to hell with her baits and reads), so that gives Link a fighting chance.
The high level play was pretty intense. Really enjoyed Zero vs Nairo, too. (What were u expecting them to do, dash attack all over the place? The grabbing made it all the more intense IMO)
Oh nonono, that's not what I meant. I meant Nairo got way too randy with ZSS's grabs and got punished for the endlag multiple times.
That grab lag is the only thing that keeps that stupid character in check.
A few too many Boost Kicks out of shield as well. I don't think he hit a single one all day and ate a lot of damage while attempting to reset back to neutral.
It was Larry Lurr's Luigi vs EASM's Samus. No one really plays Samus at high level, so Larry most likely didn't know what to expect. EASM was walling Larry out with Zairs and charge shots so he couldn't get in.
Luigi got 2 stock'd by Samus. And ESAM apparently dropped several combos so he could have stomped Larry harder.
What else was he going to do though?
Samus is also a heavyweight; tied with Bowser Jr. at 108. Main difference is that Jr.'s a somewhat of a fast faller and Yoshi's a floaty too and weighs 4 units less, but he falls slightly faster than Samus. Bowser and Charizard are also sorta floaties, but they're much heavier than Samus; Bowser at 128 and Charizard at 115.
Of course. I totally agreed with how he played the ZSS MU. With his reaction times Nairo couldn't safety throw out grabs. His shields were almost free.
If anyone wants to argue, feel free.
