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Best Brawl mains in Canada! 1.0* Updated Nov 26, 09

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LMAO Toronto Joe, that was the scrubiest post I've seen in a looong time.
*no purpose*no sense*no anything of value or intelligence
*pure scrub
You gg'd yourself man XD

So what's this about Bowser? I heard he was goooood in this game...>_>

edit: lol wall of shame
gg...ggs everywhere
 
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nah, I was just impressed on how extemely backwards it was.

Like seriously, that's the perfect scrub post and it's about trying to call someone a scrub.
That's seriously impressive.
Like super pro
LOL
 
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There are two things you need to know about TO Joe. One: Never take him seriously. Two: Always take him seriously.

So in summary: <3 joe
 
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Iliad said:
Ally. Remember. Your falcon. My Link. 5$ mm, or in brackets. Your best main in brawl is on the line.
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I cant believe you still seriously believe culex>allys cf. Culex is not nearly as smart as ally, thats all there is to it. As holy stated, ally technically could have over 3/4 of these spots alone.


EDIT: Including MK.


No offense doc, but im 100% confident ally would win unless you pull off something I never saw you do.
 
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swordgard said:
As holy stated, ally technically could have over 3/4 of these spots alone.
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this is very true, so Iliad if you want this thread to be legit you need to make it so that each player can only have one spot. And only fill out the ones who are undisputed.
Which right now is only like 5-10 of the characters, the rest are debatable.
 
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I wish to challenge colin's spot as best ness.

can someone drag him over to bc for one of our tournaments?
 
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Get destroyed.

<3333 Swordgard
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XD.


TBH I just wish GTA was not so self-centered sometimes. Apparently they do not learn from their mistakes either.


Summer 2008- GTA destroys montreal at brawl in an ontario tourney, with only few of mtl players placing top.

Fall 2008- A warning from online players arise as a new player is predicted to win the whole tournament. GTA and montreal alike shunned the possibility, only to be proved wrong when ally took the tournament in an impressive tour de force, losing a total of 2 matches, 1 in pools to filauc and 1 to kingace on Japes. On that day, I learned that we should not take anyone's level to be granted merely because of his origins(in this case online player) or because he is not known in our region.

Winter 2008-2009- GTA does not bother going to quebec anymore, assuming that aside from Ally and Holy, none of the players were good if not even decent. Another player who is said to have switched to online play and became good arises.

Spring 2009 - Holy begins warning GTA that ice grabbing ******* will one day leave their frozen landscapes and cause ravages by placing top 3 in GTA. Once again, GTA shuns the possibility despite being proved wrong in the past. Quebec obviously consists of only of only 2 good players, with the rest being trash.

Summer 2009 - The ice climber player does a feat that had only been done in the last 6 months by the best of GTA, taking a set off holynightmare, having only played him a total of 3 times in tourney. Holynightmare gives one last warning to GTA, warning them of the imminent uproar that this ice climber player would cause with his placings. One last time, Holynightmare is shunned down. I told them myself, but many people did not believe me and said I would probably not even place top 8 since GTA was simply that much better(despite none of them being able to take a set off holy, but apparently it does not mean anything).

Smash bros at nikos: The morning before the tourney, I post that I will get top 3. I get shunned in the same way Ally and holy did before me. I end up getting one of the worst seeds in the bracket. I still end up 3rd in this tournament, thus achieving my goal. I lost to ambrose in a money match I did not want to play because I did not knew the matchup.

GTAs reaction to the tourney: Rather than admitting they were wrong, emphasis is put on the fact that it was only a 20 man tourney despite missing only 2 of the top 10 of the PR(and on the lower end too) and giving me one of the worst seed and that I took out every GTA player I encountered in the bracket including percon(#3), silverdoc(#2), minus(#5 iirc) and TO joe(#7th iirc). Not only this, but players then started saying it was a fluke, and that I need to go back and would probably not even place top 8. I guess missing out on tourneys with higher attendance but lesser skill level overall really does make me a bad player, I should go to 40+ players tourney where more than half the PR is missing. Even more emphasis is put on the fact that I lost a single 2 $ MM rather than on my overall tourney ranking, which obviously meant nothing to a lot of people.

So yes, GTA has a superiority complex. They will underestimate anyone who does not come and prove that they are much better. The way I see this, GTA did not give any of the spots that were really debated to any other region. Tinman, you were only not chosen because you don't place astoundingly high in GTA. I am willing to bet stroumbert has a better link than iliad, that kkong has a better bowser than phiddlesticks and Mar1 has a better DK than Culex. Ally definitely has a better CF than Culex. You guys need to stop thinking that because we don't go to your region you guys are necessarly better, that is not how it works at all, especially if your opinion of Quebec is so old that most players that were on the PR are not anymore.

TL:DR GTA has a superiority complex, they control the thread. Iliad, you might be trying to eliminate bias, but its impossible considering how biased you are yourself sometimes. You believe I underestimate GTA, I don't. I have seen myself what you guys can do, I have played online extensively your best player. Your scene definitely is not as great as you guys believe it is. You have a couple of really good players, but your average scene player is not terribly better than ours, and our top3 is definitely better. I wish to prove our top 8 was also better, but that is up for debates. I definitely respect doc for being the only one to step it up recently so much in tourney in GTA, but the rest of your scene is far from being astounding. I am not claiming Quebec is incredible either, but we don't act like we are.


Note: Some players in GTA do not have superiority complex, and they know who they are.


EDIT: I wonder if ally will learn from his mistakes O.o, but its funny cause everywhere I go people underestimate me, and everytime it plays against them. And everytime holy ends up being the one with the last laugh.
 
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Yeah this thread is so whack now, I don't want to stop being Elliots friend over a character, I say we give Ally every spot cause' I am not letting metaknight ruin our friendship.
 
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SilverDoc~ said:
Yeah this thread is so whack now, I don't want to stop being Elliots friend over a character, I say we give Ally every spot cause' I am not letting metaknight ruin our friendship.
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No but seriously the thing is that this topic should never have been created in the first place, it's only causing stupid *** arguments. Sarcasm aside if Ally really had all the spots than this would be ******** and pointless.
 
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HolyNightmare said:
No but seriously the thing is that this topic should never have been created in the first place, it's only causing stupid *** arguments. Sarcasm aside if Ally really had all the spots than this would be ******** and pointless.
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The thing is, too many of these spots are either impossible to argue about and thus should not be awarded, are so self obvious that we already knew about them, or were awarded to GTA players for being only mildly confident their player was the best without any way to really prove it other than "our region is better than yours" argument.
 
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HolyNightmare said:
No but seriously the thing is that this topic should never have been created in the first place, it's only causing stupid *** arguments. Sarcasm aside if Ally really had all the spots than this would be ******** and pointless.
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In theory, something like this could have been good for Canada's community, but it wound up becoming the opposite, due to the sole fact that the majority of Canada's smashers rarely/never travel. With the exception of a few, of course, usually top players (Ally, Holy, ...etc.) who are willing to make the travel between smash scenes, because they are usually guaranteed money by attending. Canada's smash scenes aren't willing and/or able to travel to each other, meaning that there was no way to confirm these allegations, like saying "EC > WCblahblah", and other random ****.

Which is pretty much saying that this thread was destined to fail from the beginning, and that it will only cause flaming, and unnecessary, fruitless arguments.

tl;dr This thread is pointless, if only because the majority of Canadian smash scenes arn't willing to travel to each other.
 
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Yeah that's why I stopped trying/looking into this thread.

This was done all wrong. I don't need some list of whose the best or not. I'll just play, keep getting better, and win. That's all there is to it.
 
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Okay so I come back to see that my thread has been hijacked and called a piece of **** that promotes flaming and bias within the community.

Swordgard, all i ever ****ing see from you is ****ting on the GTA, and you can't ****ing say otherwise. You troll our threads, and give us advice (when we don't ask.) You're a ****ing christian missionary in a buddhist country bro, and it's getting real tired, real quick. You berate, you insult, you doubt.

If anything sir, I would accuse you, and the entirety of Montreal of the same issue you claim we have. You haven't seen Culex play. He goes OoC and places the highest of any canadian besides Ally at SNES, but obviously Mar1 must be better. You've never seen my Link play in tourney, so Negga's must be better. You've also apparently never seen Culex's falcon in action, because there would be no ****ing question. Do i think Ally could do better against KingAce's MK with falcon than Culex did? No I do not. I would bet money on it. Ally says it himself, it's his low tier. Culex uses him in actual tourney play. Hence why he's a ****load more eligible for it than Ally is. And no, using falcon once, in that one time grand finals, does not mean ****.

Yes montreal is good. When have we EVER ****ing said it wasn't? And have I not been the first ****ing one to say STFU about WC vs EC / Ontario vs Quebec nonsense? You need to take your head out of your ***, cause I for one am sick of YOUR superiority complex.

You talk as though you're the only one in Canada who knows whats REALLY going on. That you know all these hidden tech skills and mindgames that no one else seems to know, oh except for Ally though, and Holy. And any other player FROM MONTREAL you feel also knows it. But GTA is sadly backwards and obviously in the dark ages of smash. What with your VAST experience with our scene. Oh and your wifi experience.

You know what I'd like to tell you based off our wifi experience swordgard? It's a ****ing miracle you place in montreal, because lord knows how you do it, when you can't even beat a sub-par marth such as myself over the domain that is wifi, the one you seem to claim dominance over. I have to be the most readable ****ing player in the GTA, and I fully admit it. What's your excuse?

Sword, don't you EVER come into our threads talking about bias in the GTA, when the first words out of your mouth are "You guys should really learn to..."

I think you should really learn to shut the **** up, and don't stray where you're not welcome. I'm done with this thread. I will ask Victra to delete it, lock it, whatever he sees fit. I tried to spark a little rivalry and a drive for competition in the national scene, not just regionals. But it seems as though no one in Canada can handle that.

For the record, this thread was in social for a reason, and I really find it a shame that this was moved into the Canada section.
 
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What I find the funniest is that people would argue about things and then come in and think it has turned it into a **** storm and say this thread was a bad idea. I thought the point of this thread was to argue about stuff :\. But it has gotten out of control because people think that since it's so bad that it needs to stop and Ally should be the only one listed on it just to stop the arguing. You're all a bunch of wussies that can't handle a little bit of heat. However I do agree that this thread needs to be shut down because no one has the balls or stomach to handle something like this.
 
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"Ally definitely has a better CF than Culex" -swordguard

Someone has a better DK then me? Whether it's true or not I don't give two ****s.
To say Ally has a better CF though, this is false. People keep saying he does even when they haven't played mine and played his, just a bunch of meat riders.
Ha, sg your howles, no disrespect to Ally, but I **** right have a better CF.
Just because he beat some Bowser? oh wait, some "top" Bowser? Man that's easy talk, CF rocks Bowser all day.
Ally I'm still waiting on our manly dittos by the way ;).
5$ mm sexy man dittos? Also if the tri force win happens an extra 5 bucks happens? :D

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Ha yo again man, you've seen me play and how I place? First off, I don't use MK or IC's which I'm PRETTY **** right sure you NEED in order to place well.
Have you played me? No you have not, it's way different then just watching believe me.
Besides IF you wanna talk about dittos, Ally hasn't beaten me consistently in dittos only the first time we played in dittos has he beaten me. After that, 4/5 times I'd win. Lets not forget bout the epic PAWNCH either =).


I hardly post on Smashboards cause I usually don't care, but for **** sakes bro, QUIT JOHNNING about everything and how you lost to Broskis, and how bad Iliad ****ed you up online. Online or offline, suck it up you princess your an online player.


-You lost to Brose
 
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Iliad said:
Okay so I come back to see that my thread has been hijacked and called a piece of **** that promotes flaming and bias within the community.

Swordgard, all i ever ****ing see from you is ****ting on the GTA, and you can't ****ing say otherwise. You troll our threads, and give us advice (when we don't ask.) You're a ****ing christian missionary in a buddhist country bro, and it's getting real tired, real quick. You berate, you insult, you doubt.

If anything sir, I would accuse you, and the entirety of Montreal of the same issue you claim we have. You haven't seen Culex play. He goes OoC and places the highest of any canadian besides Ally at SNES, but obviously Mar1 must be better. You've never seen my Link play in tourney, so Negga's must be better. You've also apparently never seen Culex's falcon in action, because there would be no ****ing question. Do i think Ally could do better against KingAce's MK with falcon than Culex did? No I do not. I would bet money on it. Ally says it himself, it's his low tier. Culex uses him in actual tourney play. Hence why he's a ****load more eligible for it than Ally is. And no, using falcon once, in that one time grand finals, does not mean ****.

Yes montreal is good. When have we EVER ****ing said it wasn't? And have I not been the first ****ing one to say STFU about WC vs EC / Ontario vs Quebec nonsense? You need to take your head out of your ***, cause I for one am sick of YOUR superiority complex.
You talk as though you're the only one in Canada who knows whats REALLY going on. That you know all these hidden tech skills and mindgames that no one else seems to know, oh except for Ally though, and Holy. And any other player FROM MONTREAL you feel also knows it. But GTA is sadly backwards and obviously in the dark ages of smash. What with your VAST experience with our scene. Oh and your wifi experience.

You know what I'd like to tell you based off our wifi experience swordgard? It's a ****ing miracle you place in montreal, because lord knows how you do it, when you can't even beat a sub-par marth such as myself over the domain that is wifi, the one you seem to claim dominance over. I have to be the most readable ****ing player in the GTA, and I fully admit it. What's your excuse?

Sword, don't you EVER come into our threads talking about bias in the GTA, when the first words out of your mouth are "You guys should really learn to..."

I think you should really learn to shut the **** up, and don't stray where you're not welcome. I'm done with this thread. I will ask Victra to delete it, lock it, whatever he sees fit. I tried to spark a little rivalry and a drive for competition in the national scene, not just regionals. But it seems as though no one in Canada can handle that.

For the record, this thread was in social for a reason, and I really find it a shame that this was moved into the Canada section.
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Whoa whoa with the swearing. I did not insult GTA pointlessly here, merely proved that a lot of GTA acts like they are the best at the game, always did, and apparently, always will(well, ok not for the case of melee GTA. Melee GTA is uber friendly). I have seen culex place and play, and I can say that he is far from being consistent which is a huge problem. Wait, negga for link O.o. God, no, I said stroumbert. I can safely say that stroumbert has a better link than you, simply because he plays much smarter. Apparently, from what I can see, Ally is definitely by far the best falcon in the world because of his superior understanding of the game, its how it works. He could pick up link today and beat you with him. You don't seem to realize that there is still a lot that separates you from him and you, same for culex and him.

You claim to never have said mtl was not good? I am sorry, the amount of times it was implied in your conversation many times, not only by the way you act towards other communities(why did phiddlesticks get the placing over kkong, they both had the exact same placing, or minus over stroumbert when stroumbert has the same placing, despite you saying minus is better simply because you believe there is still a huge segregation between 3rd place and the rest of mtl) but it was also directly mentioned by some people with whom I spoke with from GTA. I don't talk about canada as if I was the only one who knows what is going on, even Silverdoc agrees with me on this one. Its because of the conservative mentality that GTA had that it took forever for him to get on the PR despite his 3rd placings all over the place, same for TO joe not being above. Its the same conservative mentality that makes you believe GTA is somehow better than the other communities without any type of recent proof. Its not about hidden tech skill or mindgames, its about GTA stopping from being so biased towards some of the decisions you make. Mar1 placed far above what culex usually does in GTA, but culex did place well at SNES, that I must give you, though culex is far from consistent which is a huge minus for him. But then when it comes to player like stroumbert who probably have more credential for being the best link player, he gets disregarded. Minus vs stroumbert, stroumbert has been placing lately better than minus with minus being on the lower half of your PR, yet minus gets the placing without having significantly better tourney placings. This my friend is bias.

You guys should really learn to<<<er what does this have to do with bias. GTA doesnt do some **** well, nor does mtl tbh but I directly tell every single player in our community when they do stupid mistakes. Guess what, they dont fret about it, they try to improve on it because for the most part they don't have huge egos. Thats how you get better >.>. Want me to give you an example? When you tell me how good Mikeys DI is with SDI and stuff and you explain to me how he totally survived that fsmash with falco at 130% without going past the other side of BF, I can tell you that this is something a lot of GTA does not use, SDI and DI in general. Your DI is good-ish, but when compared to Ally and Dom's, it is very pale in comparison. And when you tell me his survival involved SDI, it just shows yet another problem which is lack of knowledge since SDI would have literally nothing to do with survival in these hits(unless you are suicidal enough to attempt to SDI a move with about 6 frames of hitlag and try to properly DI it in a completely different direction on reaction, which would be technically speaking in the domain of impossibility). I am not going to go into mtl threads to talk about this though, brawl is no longer on smashboards for montreal. Smashboards is mostly for melee/B+, while we have a separate community for brawl, but I tell them directly. Some decide to act out of pride and shut out advice, and they don't improve. Others don't and place consistently better. Weird how it works eh?

Based of our wifi experience, if it was after the tourney, then all I can say is I am having huge trouble playing over wifi nowadays(seriously I feel like my skills got 10x worst O.o), but the main point being, in friendlies I spend more time trying to analyze the opponent than trying to win, which allows me to play better in tourneys. Unless someone specifically asks me to go all out, I really won't, nor will most top players as a matter of fact(not saying I'm a top player though, just saying I got some sandbagging skills). Either way, wifi to me is just another spot where people can train it still does not make you magically better (I wish). Just like offline friendlies, I won't play at my top unless someone asks me. I simply do not have the will to do that all the time.

The point I am trying to make here is that a lot of these spots went by default to GTA despite some Quebec players having similar if not better placings, which shows that you either believe Quebec is worst than GTA(if so, then say it aloud so we can stop talking about other stuff and discuss whether this is true or not) or you have GTA bias. Now, I will however repeat once again, you cannot simply take for granted that the rest of Quebec sucks compared to top 3, which you did assume more than once during our discussion when talking about minus vs Stroumbert(even telling me how GTAs bottom of the PR was putting pressure on the top making it sound like it was different from in quebec).

I am not saying Quebec is better than GTA here, merely that it is not fair that GTA gets these spots for the exact same reason that you discredited Tinman for saying llumys spot's doesnt count due to his weak region. It is not because you believe phiddlesticks is **** and he placed 13th in your region that KKong who placed the exact same should be disregarded due to your bias towards GTA or your belief that Quebec is worst.

Either way, you were not the first one to underestimate other regions and you won't be the last I am sure of it. Just saying though, you were not the only target of this post, its GTA as a collective that can act toward douches toward other communities. Oh and once again, I can post wherever I like as long as I don't breach any of the forum rules, which I obviously did not. If you disagree, I would recommend you to ask a mod to infract me for my "trollish" behavior. Finally, I encourage you to stop swearing every 2 line, it makes your posts seem so much less serious. Arguing with proper manners really do help.


EDIT: Culex, for DK I'm saying Mar1 should have had at least an OR behind it, he had better tourney result than you but you did well in the USA. Also, as for CF, I have no doubt Ally is by far the best CF due to his superior mind reading abilities to yours.

Cant you make a new post, I hate double editing.
1st of all, ics and MK arent the only two viable chars in the game, B tier and over could win a regional or at least place top 3.
Bha, I lost to ambrose. I did not knew the matchup, he won cause of that(which technically is my fault, I will not say otherwise), which is why I went to learn the matchup after. My fault, not knowing the matchup does not justify the loss in any way, that is no the point I am trying to get across. I am putting emphasis on it because I know what I have to work on. Johnning involves usually blaming the game rather than your own mistakes, my mistake was not to learn the ics matchups. End of it, I had a better placing overall but I lost this match due to my own fault. To say whos better, you look at overall placing, not a single 2 $ money match >.> . As for wifi, its friendlies over wifi. I love wifi, and I'l say it over and over, it is a place to train. Unless its a playoff match or someone asks me to go 100% for a valid reason(they have their own playoff match soon or want to improve in a certain matchup), then don't expect me to try more than anything. Its wifi friendlies, I know for a fact I can't play ice climbers well without huge pressure(and some people hate me for that, they know they can't train vs my ics cause its pointless unless I'm really in the mood to play them). So yeah, for me, it was friendlies over wifi, I don't claim to own wifi in any single way, I place well in playoffs, its where I trained for a long time, but nowadays I don't train myself on wifi anymore. I train others, which is very different. Now if I was to claim wifi as my domain, that would be foolish considering I play one of the worst chars in lag and have to deal with playing my characters being stripped of its main features. I trained on wifi, I don't anymore, I still play a lot on it but do not really care about it unless its important.
 
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