V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
Axe's Pikachu vs Forward's Falco.. some videos coming in a few hours once youtube feels like hurring up!.. anyway yeah.. everyone can watch and learn!..
Axe *****!
Axe *****!
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Axe is the best Pikachu.
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butterpaws
Smash Rookie
axe's pika is boss
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
So wait did Axe win that tournament?
AXE 09
Smash Master
no, he still won ='( we had to do 2 sets for the grand finals. i won the first set, but he went marth on the 2nd and kinda ***** me :/ i'll keep practicing to get better though. as should everyone else! love all you pika players, don't stop playing him lol
Ripple
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Ripple is the best pika!
any advice is appreciated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmGLWKZTcLw&feature=channel_page
did a double up, up B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJDdAekZujs&feature=channel
very dark match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kK964Xe4tk&feature=channel
lol moments
any advice is appreciated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmGLWKZTcLw&feature=channel_page
did a double up, up B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJDdAekZujs&feature=channel
very dark match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kK964Xe4tk&feature=channel
lol moments
AXE 09
Smash Master
hold on a second.... how'd you do that double up-b in the first match?
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
hey axe i murder as pichu but my pikachu sucks worse in other words he is my 24th best character and pichu is my 2 best character and why is this, aren't they clones but not as far as marth/roy or gannnn/C. falcon. is it just me or do you suck really bad as pichu?
The Phenom
Smash Lord
What do you mean by a up up upB?
Isn't this normal?
Isn't this normal?
Normally the quick attack can only move in two separate directions, but occasionally Pikachu can go in the same direction for each
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't think anyone has found out how to do it consistently...
festizzio
Smash Champion
IIRC it only works when you do it next to certain ledges/stages and it never helps the pikachu imo
AXE 09
Smash Master
that's exactly what i thought, but look at 1:40 in this video. he wasn't touching the side of the stage or anything. explanations?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmGLWKZTcLw&feature=channel_page
INSANE CRAZY GUY: you know what's funny? pikachu is my best character, but pichu is my ABSOLUTE worse character, next to donkey kong. i just CAN'T play pichu, even if he is similar to pika, i do horrible. dunno why
also, i just went to a tourney last saturday and got my butt kicked by forward again lol. vids should be up soon
festizzio
Smash Champion
I didn't mean he actually had to be touching the stage for it to work, but I watched the video and that's exactly what I was describing. You have to be the perfect distance away from the ledge for it to work, it's hardly useful for recovery.
YEAH!
Smash Journeyman
actually axe is so freakin humble... NO HE DIDNT' GET HIS BUTT kicked... He BARELY lost... and Yes... For you Pikachu folks.. Axe did go Pikachu on Forwards Falco/Fox/Marth.. w/e... so yeah.. hopefully vids will be up soon!
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
axe that weird. they are closer than most clones but you may want to be good as him to give you pikachu ideas that's why i look at the pikachu boards
J.TwisT
Smash Apprentice
Lol... Wow, Axe the new guy, I really wanna see how he competes vs Anther/Chad/Pikapika/N64.
Its really funny INSANE CARZY GUY, his pichu is absolute GARBAGE! and his pikachu is... teh rapez...
Its really funny INSANE CARZY GUY, his pichu is absolute GARBAGE! and his pikachu is... teh rapez...
AXE 09
Smash Master
yes yes, we all know, my pichu sux balls, along with my DK lol. darn those two
well, i have no idea what happened with those tournament videos. they never got posted, and i dunno if they ever will be... but... here's at least one video that i recorded with my friend. at least it's a little something lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPgoK9uBEZI&feature=channel_page
EDIT: oh snap, i didn't even realize that he posted more than just that one. well, if you look on his channel, there's more recent vids of me lol. there's not much, but at least it's something
well, i have no idea what happened with those tournament videos. they never got posted, and i dunno if they ever will be... but... here's at least one video that i recorded with my friend. at least it's a little something lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPgoK9uBEZI&feature=channel_page
EDIT: oh snap, i didn't even realize that he posted more than just that one. well, if you look on his channel, there's more recent vids of me lol. there's not much, but at least it's something
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Axe do people ever chain grab you? I love your style but you get away with not being chain grabbed even when people get the grab. Anything you do to try and wiggle out of it or is it something your opponents haven't grasped yet?
AXE 09
Smash Master
snaps! good question. you're referring to sheik players for the most part, right? well.... most of the videos i have are of sheik players who don't chain grab much. when i play a sheik who DOES chain grab, i usually DI so i'm kinda like... in the middle of them, but slightly behind them. most of them will try to grab in place and miss, then you're able to pull off a quick Nair as you fall. it's kinda hard to explain, it'd be a lot better if you could see it for yourself. there's not too much you can do when you're getting chaingrabbed
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Sheik, Ganon, C.falcon, Mario, Doc, Luigi, and Marth with ftrhows are the ones I know. Sheik, Ganon, C.Falcon and Marth are some what tough for Pikachu already without chain grabbing. I'm just wondering how do you deal with this.
I got what you meant in your last post on how you escape it but who tends to chaingrab you in tourney? I want to see you escape it. The chain grab thing is really what keeps me from touching Pikachu. I like the characters game style but I only like playing Pika vs spacies.
I got what you meant in your last post on how you escape it but who tends to chaingrab you in tourney? I want to see you escape it. The chain grab thing is really what keeps me from touching Pikachu. I like the characters game style but I only like playing Pika vs spacies.
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
Axe's Pikacuh is so FREAKING GOOD!.. OMG..
*Drools*
<3 you jeffy! lmao
Dammit i mIss SV
*Drools*
<3 you jeffy! lmao
Dammit i mIss SV
N64
Smash Champion
Yeah, i know the spot axe. It's like, riiiiiight behind sheik's head. Most sheiks miss the regrab from there. I don't know what to do about most of the other cgs though, it's just like, DI away to an edge.
Main solution: don't get grabbed
Main solution: don't get grabbed
tdk_Samurai
Smash Ace
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
has this become the ask Axe **** about pikachu thread?
axe is the greatest.
axe is the greatest.
N64
Smash Champion
Let's make it one.
Axe, how do you fight marths? His sword is big and absorbs electricity and hurts a lot.
Axe, how do you fight marths? His sword is big and absorbs electricity and hurts a lot.
AXE 09
Smash Master
lmao well i'm not exactly the best person at giving advice 
i guess i'll try my best though haha.
i guess i'll start in order from paperstsoap's request.
i already tried my best to explain for sheik, just DI so that way you're like only a LITTLE bit behind them, so it's barely noticeable. that's what i do, at least. and while i'm falling, i usually pull off a neutral.
for Ganon: i usually don't fight many ganon's, but whenever i get grabbed by one, i usually just DI all the way behind them. usually they can't react fast enough to grab you again. if you DI in front of them or don't DI at all, that usually results in another grab for them. i'd say that DIing behind them would be your best option, but that's just from my experiences.
C.Falcon is a hard one. i fight a lot of them. i've tried a lot of things, and most of them don't end up working. the best thing you can do is mix between your DI. maybe after the first throw, DI away from them. then when they grab you again, you can DI away again (maybe they wouldn't expect the same DI twice). then DI towards them. if they read you well enough, there's not too much you can doo, but Falcon can't chain grab you much anyways, he can usually only pull off like 3 throws due to stage limits, so you shouldn't have to worry too much about this one. sometimes when they D throw me and i DI away, when they run to grab me again, sometimes i can pull off a late Uair right before they grab, and it sends them behind me. that's another option to consider. sometimes when i'm thrown, i mash up on the C-stick to try to pull off a U air. it throws them off a lot cuz of it's weird trajectory
Mario/Doc: depending where they are on the stage... if they're near an edge, i almost always try to DI towards the edge. i hate these guys' D throws lol. if they got you like in the middle of the stage, i usually try the same method as my sheik description, try to DI slightly behind them, and try to pull off a neutral before they can grab you. if that doesn't work, you can try to mindgame them between your DI of left and right, or no DI at all. sometimes i feel like getting chain grabbed by these guys is even worse than sheik.
Luigi: honestly i've never been chaingrabbed by a luigi lol. i know his D throw sends you backwards. i'd imagine you can just DI backwards and get out of it easily, but i've never had to fight a luigi who chaingrabs lol. i'd like some advice on this myself. is it hard to get out of??
Marth: at 0%, it can suck really bad to get F thrown by a marth, cuz they can usually just F smash for a free tip. ugh i hate it lol. when i'm thrown by a marth, i almost always DI away from them. they usually won't go for a CG, though. for almost every marth i fight, they usually do F throw --> F throw --> forward smash at 0%. i usually just DI away the entire time and the F smash ends up missing. i don't think you have to worry too much about getting CG'd by marth. when your % gets higher, you're able to tech on the ground before they can grab or F smash you again. i usually tech in place, then D tilt, then run away lol. you gotta be careful against marth.
How do I fight Marths? Marth is the character i fear the most when i'm pika, even more than sheik. i've gotten quite a bit of practice against Forward's marth and it's hard! holy crap lol. usually when i camp with pikachu, it doesn't work very well =( this might sound weird, but i'm very agressive towards marths lol. actually i'm pretty aggressive towards almost all players just in general. i guess i just have an offensive style? well, one thing i do to fake them out is... when you're a pretty good distance away from them, you can run towards them and do a full hop neutral B. most marths i fight will try to slice the thundershok with either an F air or an F smash. the moment my thundershock comes out while i'm in mid air, i hold back on my control stick, so my thundershock goes out while i stay behind it. they'll usually slice the thundershock, then i throw out a neutral or run up and up smash them. it usually works, i guess they assume they'll hit you too since you're coming right at them in the air lol.
well for the most part, i usually approach with an up air. whenever i approach with a neutral, i almost always get grabbed. darn marth lol. but most marth's won't expect a late Uair. if you hit them with the tip of your tail, they'll fly slightly behind you, and you can follow up with either a neutral, an up smash, or another up air (at least, those are the 3 moves i usually use after hit a marth with a late uair). running and doing a Dtilt isn't a bad idea either. it's a fast move. it comes out really fast and barely has any lag. running up to them and blocking is a good idea too. you kinda just have to use a lot of mind games, to get them to approach you, so you can strike at the right moment. it's hard... darn those marth's lol. but pikachu can get some good combo's on marth, you just gotta know when to attack.
N64: how do YOU fight marths?!?!?!?
And i miss you too Vman lmao
i guess i'll try my best though haha.i guess i'll start in order from paperstsoap's request.
i already tried my best to explain for sheik, just DI so that way you're like only a LITTLE bit behind them, so it's barely noticeable. that's what i do, at least. and while i'm falling, i usually pull off a neutral.
for Ganon: i usually don't fight many ganon's, but whenever i get grabbed by one, i usually just DI all the way behind them. usually they can't react fast enough to grab you again. if you DI in front of them or don't DI at all, that usually results in another grab for them. i'd say that DIing behind them would be your best option, but that's just from my experiences.
C.Falcon is a hard one. i fight a lot of them. i've tried a lot of things, and most of them don't end up working. the best thing you can do is mix between your DI. maybe after the first throw, DI away from them. then when they grab you again, you can DI away again (maybe they wouldn't expect the same DI twice). then DI towards them. if they read you well enough, there's not too much you can doo, but Falcon can't chain grab you much anyways, he can usually only pull off like 3 throws due to stage limits, so you shouldn't have to worry too much about this one. sometimes when they D throw me and i DI away, when they run to grab me again, sometimes i can pull off a late Uair right before they grab, and it sends them behind me. that's another option to consider. sometimes when i'm thrown, i mash up on the C-stick to try to pull off a U air. it throws them off a lot cuz of it's weird trajectory
Mario/Doc: depending where they are on the stage... if they're near an edge, i almost always try to DI towards the edge. i hate these guys' D throws lol. if they got you like in the middle of the stage, i usually try the same method as my sheik description, try to DI slightly behind them, and try to pull off a neutral before they can grab you. if that doesn't work, you can try to mindgame them between your DI of left and right, or no DI at all. sometimes i feel like getting chain grabbed by these guys is even worse than sheik.
Luigi: honestly i've never been chaingrabbed by a luigi lol. i know his D throw sends you backwards. i'd imagine you can just DI backwards and get out of it easily, but i've never had to fight a luigi who chaingrabs lol. i'd like some advice on this myself. is it hard to get out of??
Marth: at 0%, it can suck really bad to get F thrown by a marth, cuz they can usually just F smash for a free tip. ugh i hate it lol. when i'm thrown by a marth, i almost always DI away from them. they usually won't go for a CG, though. for almost every marth i fight, they usually do F throw --> F throw --> forward smash at 0%. i usually just DI away the entire time and the F smash ends up missing. i don't think you have to worry too much about getting CG'd by marth. when your % gets higher, you're able to tech on the ground before they can grab or F smash you again. i usually tech in place, then D tilt, then run away lol. you gotta be careful against marth.
How do I fight Marths? Marth is the character i fear the most when i'm pika, even more than sheik. i've gotten quite a bit of practice against Forward's marth and it's hard! holy crap lol. usually when i camp with pikachu, it doesn't work very well =( this might sound weird, but i'm very agressive towards marths lol. actually i'm pretty aggressive towards almost all players just in general. i guess i just have an offensive style? well, one thing i do to fake them out is... when you're a pretty good distance away from them, you can run towards them and do a full hop neutral B. most marths i fight will try to slice the thundershok with either an F air or an F smash. the moment my thundershock comes out while i'm in mid air, i hold back on my control stick, so my thundershock goes out while i stay behind it. they'll usually slice the thundershock, then i throw out a neutral or run up and up smash them. it usually works, i guess they assume they'll hit you too since you're coming right at them in the air lol.
well for the most part, i usually approach with an up air. whenever i approach with a neutral, i almost always get grabbed. darn marth lol. but most marth's won't expect a late Uair. if you hit them with the tip of your tail, they'll fly slightly behind you, and you can follow up with either a neutral, an up smash, or another up air (at least, those are the 3 moves i usually use after hit a marth with a late uair). running and doing a Dtilt isn't a bad idea either. it's a fast move. it comes out really fast and barely has any lag. running up to them and blocking is a good idea too. you kinda just have to use a lot of mind games, to get them to approach you, so you can strike at the right moment. it's hard... darn those marth's lol. but pikachu can get some good combo's on marth, you just gotta know when to attack.
N64: how do YOU fight marths?!?!?!?
And i miss you too Vman
lmao
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
jeff calm yourself with the wall of text
Remind me to play my wack-*** marth next time we get together. You can try stuff. XD
WHAT IS THIS?! A NON BELIEVER OF A GREAT WALL OF TEXT! o_o
N64
Smash Champion
Heh, okies dogy. Tomorrow your marth shall feel teh pika wrath!
@Axe: Good response. It's a lot of stuff I normally do (or like always ask myself why i don't do more often heh), but it's reassuring none the less to get another view on it. I'm also a fairly aggressive pika, at least I can't stand just camping a lot of the time (unless I'm playing like really intensely, usually against spacies, where I'll camp with uairs all day). I play a very shielding-heavy offensive style if that makes any sense.
Anyways, marth. I usually just try to dance around outside fsmash range and throw jolts. For approaching him I'll mix up dash->crouch->dtilt and dash->shield. If he doesn't do anything, or dash dances away, dtilt is safe enough that I don't often get punished. If he fsmashes my approach, shield->wd grab works wonders. If he fair/ftilts I can usually shield->quick aerial or something just to hit him and force him into the air. If I predict his reaction wrong though, he'll just grab me when i shield or fsmash me when i dtilt or something.
I also will occasionally play ledge games. If i camp the top platform of any of the 3-platform stages, marth will usually try to poke through the platform and i'll just lightshield stuff until he decides to 'get smart' and double jump up there (with a fair or nair for shield pressure) and try to grab me. Then I just drop through the platform and do a double jump uair/nair and try to combo him. If you're below marth, his options diminish greatly, as he essentually only has dair (very laggy) or fastfall fair, while you can knock him around with uairs and threaten an uair spike. Once he's off the stage, throw a jolt or two to either get him to try to recover above you (uair bait) or below, where you can quick-attack edgehog their sweetspot attempt.
I also fsmash a lot. Usually out of dashdance->wd-to-perfect-range. As long as you space it well, it's pretty safe. He's forced to either shield or get hit by it, and if he shields at that range it has enough shieldstun and knockback that he can't really retaliate before you get out of lag from it. Usmash->thunder also works super well, but good luck pulling that off.
The match as you know is mostly trying to stay at the right spacing while he's on the stage, and just poking till something hits, trying to force him into the air so you can get under him and take advantage of it. And once he's off the stage, make it as difficult as you can for him to get back.
@Axe: Good response. It's a lot of stuff I normally do (or like always ask myself why i don't do more often heh), but it's reassuring none the less to get another view on it. I'm also a fairly aggressive pika, at least I can't stand just camping a lot of the time (unless I'm playing like really intensely, usually against spacies, where I'll camp with uairs all day). I play a very shielding-heavy offensive style if that makes any sense.
Anyways, marth. I usually just try to dance around outside fsmash range and throw jolts. For approaching him I'll mix up dash->crouch->dtilt and dash->shield. If he doesn't do anything, or dash dances away, dtilt is safe enough that I don't often get punished. If he fsmashes my approach, shield->wd grab works wonders. If he fair/ftilts I can usually shield->quick aerial or something just to hit him and force him into the air. If I predict his reaction wrong though, he'll just grab me when i shield or fsmash me when i dtilt or something.
I also will occasionally play ledge games. If i camp the top platform of any of the 3-platform stages, marth will usually try to poke through the platform and i'll just lightshield stuff until he decides to 'get smart' and double jump up there (with a fair or nair for shield pressure) and try to grab me. Then I just drop through the platform and do a double jump uair/nair and try to combo him. If you're below marth, his options diminish greatly, as he essentually only has dair (very laggy) or fastfall fair, while you can knock him around with uairs and threaten an uair spike. Once he's off the stage, throw a jolt or two to either get him to try to recover above you (uair bait) or below, where you can quick-attack edgehog their sweetspot attempt.
I also fsmash a lot. Usually out of dashdance->wd-to-perfect-range. As long as you space it well, it's pretty safe. He's forced to either shield or get hit by it, and if he shields at that range it has enough shieldstun and knockback that he can't really retaliate before you get out of lag from it. Usmash->thunder also works super well, but good luck pulling that off.
The match as you know is mostly trying to stay at the right spacing while he's on the stage, and just poking till something hits, trying to force him into the air so you can get under him and take advantage of it. And once he's off the stage, make it as difficult as you can for him to get back.
the real question is how do i not get completely owned by falco. cant shield grab him cuz reflector, if u do shield u get hit anyways cuz pikas shield is terrible, lazers can shut u down, he can combo the crap out of u, etc. falco is too good. :/
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
Axe ***** falcos with Pikachu! that is all
Jeffy!
melee!
Big Thangs Poppin! woot
Jeffy!
melee!
Big Thangs Poppin! woot
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
N64 mind recording those matches?
he also ***** with falco. axe is too good.
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
trust me, v3ctorman knows about jeff's falco. they played 16 hours of falco dittos in one day LOL
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Haha. Best part about days like that is at hour 10 one of them must have said "ok, last game". We all know how that works.
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
Last game "games" are awesome providing the person who said it loses. Then it becomes an endless cycle.
N64
Smash Champion
played dogysamich a bunch the other day. Was super funsies. Didn't record any matches though (which is unfortunate cause there were a few 'hoooooly ****' moments). I don't really have any way of getting vids online anyhow, I'll see if dogy does, we'll probably be playing again next week.
Pika vs. doc is annoying. He messes up my DI so much. I want to sdi jabs away, but if that doesn't work i just end up DIing away when he dsmashes, and dying. Also grab leads to anything, and grab at > 80% is dthrow->fair->dead. And he's annoying to edgeguard. He isn't too bad to chase and pills aren't too terrible, so at least i get relative freedom of movement, but he's just aerial and closerange priority, which is where pika HAS to fight.
Pika vs. doc is annoying. He messes up my DI so much. I want to sdi jabs away, but if that doesn't work i just end up DIing away when he dsmashes, and dying. Also grab leads to anything, and grab at > 80% is dthrow->fair->dead. And he's annoying to edgeguard. He isn't too bad to chase and pills aren't too terrible, so at least i get relative freedom of movement, but he's just aerial and closerange priority, which is where pika HAS to fight.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
How'd you do vs Marth?
N64
Smash Champion
***** it.
Heh, not really. I mean i consistently beat his marth with pika, but his marth wasn't like tourney-ready really.
Heh, not really. I mean i consistently beat his marth with pika, but his marth wasn't like tourney-ready really.
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
I love these cycles. <3
AXE 09
Smash Master
hahaha you guys are too much ^^
haha sorry gamer, i can't help it with my walls of texts gotta love 'em.
and you gotta love the "ok, one more" rules. it happens ALL the time. i always assume that 1 more means at least like 20 more haha.
I MISS YOU VMAN!!!!!!! come back to SV! darn it tim lol.
hey N64, to be completely honest, i'm not exactly sure if i've seen your pikachu play or not. could you link me to some of your most recent vids?
haha sorry gamer, i can't help it with my walls of texts
gotta love 'em.and you gotta love the "ok, one more" rules. it happens ALL the time. i always assume that 1 more means at least like 20 more haha.
I MISS YOU VMAN!!!!!!! come back to SV! darn it tim lol.
hey N64, to be completely honest, i'm not exactly sure if i've seen your pikachu play or not. could you link me to some of your most recent vids?