Australian Meta Knight Legality

[Jei Jei]

Okay. I'm actually warming up to the mk ban the more it's discussed, still not entirely agreeing to it though. Just a matter of time.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I only agree to the ban because of Meta Knight's ledge game. I am strongly against surgical rules that result in double standards, and the ledge-grab limit falls under that criteria. So I believe there should be no LGL, which would make MK broken, thus, I'm pro-ban.

If Meta Knight had a built-in LGL or something, I would support his legality.

 

[Ghostbone]

I'd love if MK was banned.

I'd have an excuse to not use him :D

 

[Robsta]

Why was robstas post edited? It was a fair post and robsta plays just as much brawl as say, cao.
Robsta if you are actually trolling then gtfo but your last post that was deleted is exactly how I feel.

Thank you Jei, I wasnt trolling, I was only giving a perspective from a non brawl player that had an opinion on this issue.

I'm sorry Shaya if you misinterpreted that and also where has the possible split/alienation of already loyal players been discussed? I wasn't aware this argument had been "done to death."
My apologies

 

[Shaya]

I assumed after your first post robsta that you were trolling.

Alienation of players has been argued to death. Maybe not in Australia, but the "omg think of all the MK mains that have put so much time and effort into the character and now they're screwed" is pretty old

 

[Vlade]

Brb maining Marth, Marth will be so much better now I reckon.

I thought Brawl will eventually die and fizzle out because people will come to realise that there's no reason not to play MK if they want to be competitive, or at least have a pocket MK for CPs if they main snake/diddy/falco/marth/ICs.

Metaknight didn't make the game boring for me though, so banning him probably wouldn't awaken my hype for the game again. What Attila said though was exactly how I used to feel when we were still having tournies here in Perth - people don't seem to be passionate about improving anymore, and I think that is a really big shame but it can't be helped People used to watch the Grand Finals, but then that stopped happening. When I played in Grand Finals of Marvel tournies, all friendlies were stopped and everyone had to watch or leave, which made the Grand Finals really hype and fun. I think a rule like that should be encouraged at all tournaments of any game since it brings the scene together and gives the finalists the respect and hype they deserve.

Just my 2c

 

[CAOTIC]

^ that was enforced in rocky/robocop and various other majors. it's good for the atmosphere

 

[escro]

My scrub opinions prob dont matter since ive never been to a tourney but i like the mk ban idea
Gj shaya

 

[Dekar289]

I will be banning MK at my tournaments, no one else has to.

way to handicap your own state
hope you enjoy getting pumped by metaknight interstate

 

[Shaya]

I don't care about interstate any more.
Neither do most of NSW players, hence why not many are going to BAM.

 

[Dekar289]

the only 2 good players are coming...

 

[Shaya]

And afterwards MK will be banned. :O
Anyway, thanks for your input dekar, it isn't needed though.

 

[J-Birds]

Bad mks are free wins and good mks are few and far between
i dont think this does much here

can we have a 4 minute timer, 2 stocks and 10 ledge grabs as well

banning him will make the game better but i dont think its going to attract people to the game or change the tempo of matches

 

[Dekar289]

isn't needed because I don't agree with you? stupid shaya

 

[Timic83]

too little, too late. this should've happened 2 years ago. don't expect a major brawl resurgance due to this... people thought the same of tekken 4 when jin was banned. game went nowhere.

but really now MK is a character as much as melee sheik is... and even i'll admit to melee sheik being gayer than MK. so will we ban sheik next?

 

[...Ellipsis...]

I really don't think that banning MK will have any impact on the NSW scene, when anyone who is likely to win a tournament doesn't even use MK, (unless ZXV does now, I'm not sure haven't been to a tournament in a while). I think you should just run mid tier tournaments which would actually be fun since there would be a large amount of variety and low tier characters are reasonably legit as well.

 

[Dekar289]

but really now MK is a character as much as melee sheik is... and even i'll admit to melee sheik being gayer than MK. so will we ban sheik next?

this isn't about "gayness" it's about mk being the best character in the game

I really don't think that banning MK will have any impact on the NSW scene, when anyone who is likely to win a tournament doesn't even use MK, (unless ZXV does now, I'm not sure haven't been to a tournament in a while)

this is all the more reason NOT to ban mk

 

[Vyse]

I'm all for implementing the character ban, but I'm not happy about it :X

I liked MK

He was da bess.

 

[...Ellipsis...]

this is all the more reason NOT to ban mk

Yes, that was the intended implication of my post.

 

[Timic83]

sheik is best char in game too

 

[Shaya]

It isn't about MK being the best character in the game.
It's about MK ruining the game.

 

[CAOTIC]

sheik is best char in game too

not unanimously. the best character has always switched between various characters: fox, falco, marth, sheik. can't same the same for brawl where MK has his own tier or something

 

[Rad]

I haven't really put together my full thoughts here but I think this is pointless. Nobody uses MK and there are no tournaments. Might as well discuss a ban on ACT coming to Boost instead.

I can't really speak to Ted/Scott/Etc's motivations but I don't think anyone shows up 100% set to win anymore (let alone goes home angry that they lost to MK). It doesn't really change the experience except for those of us that enjoy using and versing MK.

EDIT: Maybe EA hates it

 

[tibs7]

this is finally happening!
but yeah waaaaaaay to late.

bbr are terrible.
majority voted for a ban like 2 years ago but bbr didnt listen. soooo gay.
this will defintely tempt me to play diff chars though. and practice on other cp's instead of sv and ps1 all dayzzz

also., just incase you didnt see it... bbr is gay

 

[escro]

I think either way, as long as this ban starts with boost shaya can do whatever he wants to cuz its his tourney.
Whether or not it spreads nation wide is another thing, but like many of you said already i dont think itll make much difference.

Btw, shaya you said before that mk bans probably wont happen until it becomes a problem in australia which atm it is not, so why the seemingly sudden move towards the ban?

 

[Shaya]

MK has always been in a problem in Australia.

 

[EverAlert]

EDIT: Maybe EA hates it

I'm not sure what you're saying I hate, but this is what I think of the issue:

I am fundamentally anti-ban. I don't believe in banning characters except when the metagame completely revolves around them, "improving the atmosphere" isn't good enough for me. While MK is clearly the best character in the game and is obviously a large influence, I don't believe he's yet hit that point of over-centralisation.

That being said, I also realise that Australia as a country is more laid-back than, say, America or Japan. Atmosphere is a large factor for us as a community. So I think banning MK might be unavoidable for us, HOWEVER

I think the best thing to do atm is wait and see how a ban affects the American scene. Perhaps in the meantime a soft ban, a la Super Turbo Old Sagat in Japan?



On the topic of "winning or losing because of MK"... I have been frustrated by MK in the past but have always chalked it up to not investing enough time in the matchup (I've certainly not practiced ICvMK nearly as much as ICvSnake and others). I'd probably feel some of my wins would be artificial if they can't go MK on me.

 

[Zero]

and it's official

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=311729

 

[Vyse]

Guess I'll be supporting MK-Ban tournaments from now on.

Mad dislike, but it is a good thing ultimately for the tippity top tier players that feel it the most.

 

[Attila_]

And sO the world rejoices...

And let the metagame be fair!

 

[Remastered]

Let's watch the Snake and Diddy surge . I personally don't care whether he is banned in QLD, or Australia for that matter. No one over here is good enough (except Earl & Corpse) with MK for it to matter.

I don't however agree with the unity ruleset for the stages, and that you are not allowed to sticky the tourney unless you are running the ruleset, or the fact that QLD's scene is actually doing well without any of this.

D3 moves up again, but then they will ban his cg's because he will only have 2 hard counters in the game. Too late imo, and all this talk motivates me in the opposite direction for the enjoyment of brawl.

Too late, and not enough people care anymore. Even me

I'm a Diddy main now guys, just btw lolololol

 

[KuroganeHammer]

*mains Marth*

 

[escro]

if everyone who mained mk moves towards maining marth, snake diddy etc then wont the surge in those chars cause an equally significant problem in the scene?
like you said, this mk ban was because of the "atmosphere" rather than the actual character?

also i like EA's idea of waiting to see what happens in America, but then again its your call

 

[Shaya]

Sorry kids, but you're better off maining diddy kong with MK banned than Marth.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Diddy Kong is too technical for me.

I'd rather just spam forward aerials.

 

[Shaya]

and you would lose doing so.

 

[CAOTIC]

qld brawl is doing well -- wait, wot?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

and you would lose doing so.

Fine.

I will use his moves at the most advantageous times to beat out everyone else's.

Alternatively I'll spam forward aerial. Smartly.

 

[escro]

i dont get it. a surge in MK which dominates the scene is bad, while the resulting surge in any other character which would likely follow the ban is an ok?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

i dont get it. a surge in MK which dominates the scene is bad, while the resulting surge in any other character which would likely follow the ban is an ok?

Snake, Diddy and Falco are all pretty even.

All are in the same tier.

Pretty good start imo.