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theeboredone
Smash Legend
Easier said than done, especially if we are recovering from far. We're gonna have to use our double jump, and if Yoshi uses the egg in combo with his grab, we're screwed. Also, we might have to use our second jump if we are not positioned properly underneath the stage to pull off an aether. I'm sure there are plenty of other situations when Ike would have to use his double jump while trying to get back onto stage.
Not sure if this would work. But making sure we are low as possible before we use Aether might prevent the egg from hitting us.
doom dragon 105
Smash Lord
I still think Ike should be bumped down a tad
One space down at least, Lucas is better than ike imo
One space down at least, Lucas is better than ike imo
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Well, if Lucas has more match up advantages in general, then I don't mind, but if you are just talking about Ike v Lucas, then that's not a legitimate reason.
metroid1117
Smash Master
So the method is egg -> grab -> grab release?
It looks like we can just airdodge the grab and try for another Aether, but that's Wi-fi; in real life it would be done faster, so that's questionable.
It looks like an interesting gimp, I won't say much more because I can't really experiment to break out of it though.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
lol no.
Ike > Lucas.
Ike should be above PT, and a lot of Zelda mains seem to feel that Zelda < Ike. Looking at the match ups, that's actually a possibility....
Kirk
Smash Champion
Well you know...we can do the samething to yoshi...and im sure almost every character can at that lol. You just have to grab him without his second jump at the edge of the stage. Edgehog if necessary. May not be as easy to get in that situation, but the possibility still exists.
Kimchi
Smash Ace
A Yoshi did this to me before Poltergust uploaded that video and I found what works is to DI up if the Egg hits and just Air dodge the grab. Don't try to Aether low, because the egg has a deceptively large hitbox so you'll get hit anyway and you'll just make it harder for yourself to recover back. Try to Aether as early as possible, especially on the first jump and save the double jump.
Rykoshet
Smash Champion
Grabbing and releasing ike out of his second jump so he just falls to his death is pretty common knowledge, that's why when I jump back towards the stage I always air dodge. You can do the same thing to yoshi if you know he's gonna come back with some sort of aerial and just pivot or shield grab him and then let him die, also works on link, and puts marth in a precariously easy to spike spot.
Ussi
Smash Legend
most Zelda mains think Zelda > or = Ike in terms of a character.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
I thought it was < Ike.
I musta read the topic wrong...I know I saw at least one post like that....
Arturito_Burrito
Smash Master
Ike just really just get into low tier already. It blows that he goes down to spots and is still right above it. The process seemed really confusing to me though sonic and bowser tied yet sonic ended up 2 above him...
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
Actually if you look down below the ABCDEF tiers... it shows a list of "high," "middle," and "low" tiers. It puts Ike and PT right at the top of "low" tier. So. Yuh. Low tier apparently extends into D tier.
I just found this video on an infinite grab release on Wario and I want to know if anyone has actually managed to pull it off in battle. If so, is it reliable/would you recommend practicing it or no?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2g8RjlgMwQ (Watch it at around 2:23 because that's where it actually shows it in action.)
Also, what's everyones opinion on the current Ike guide we have if you don't mind giving me some feedback on it that is. Thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2g8RjlgMwQ (Watch it at around 2:23 because that's where it actually shows it in action.)
Also, what's everyones opinion on the current Ike guide we have if you don't mind giving me some feedback on it that is. Thanks.
Chis
Finally a legend
Does anyone have any tips on the Zelda match up?
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Yea, we've known about it for a while. As far as executing it, it takes good timing, and is very time consuming to get some decent damage.
As far as the current Ike guide, great for beginners or newbs. Work on what's recommended and you should be good.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Fair Fair Fair Fair.
Don't go air to air with her. Once you're at 40%, be aware of lightning kick attempts. SDI her smashes. Predict where she is going to land/appear with Up B and punish. If you get really good, you can Dtilt spike her before she grabs the ledge IIRC.
Usual Jab fun. She doesn't have a good way to get out thanks to her slow jab.
Slaps
Smash Lord
yeah i have pulled it off in game before but yeah its all about timing like bored said.. i can only do it a few times before the Wario manages to jump away or foot stool me because of bad timing lol...
Apparently, Ike's first jab has 3 different hitboxes? I didn't know this...
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236603
Ike
First Jab
HB1:
- no action: +16
- aerial action: +7
- air time: 5 frames
HB2:
- no action: +10
- aerial action: +5
- air time: 2 frames
HB3:
- no action: +8
- aerial action: +2
- air time: 2 frames
Second Jab
- no action: +6
- aerial action: 0
- air time: (forgot to get :V)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236603
Ike
First Jab
HB1:
- no action: +16
- aerial action: +7
- air time: 5 frames
HB2:
- no action: +10
- aerial action: +5
- air time: 2 frames
HB3:
- no action: +8
- aerial action: +2
- air time: 2 frames
Second Jab
- no action: +6
- aerial action: 0
- air time: (forgot to get :V)
metroid1117
Smash Master
That's surprising... I'm surprised that we get a max of 7 frames of advantage if you hit with the first hitbox. No wonder jab -> jab is a true combo...
Sort of sucks knowing that even with 7 frames anything slower than jab -> grab is not very safe
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Kirk
Smash Champion
Meh...its about the same.
Rykoshet
Smash Champion
It would explain why my jab to dsmash got power shielded yesterday.That's surprising... I'm surprised that we get a max of 7 frames of advantage if you hit with the first hitbox. No wonder jab -> jab is a true combo...
Sort of sucks knowing that even with 7 frames anything slower than jab -> grab is not very safe
I was just surprised how many different hitboxes there were to it. I think we come across the first hitbox most of all, anyways.
Kinda unrelated, but me+Renegade team at AiB doubles is now 1st place. 16-0
http://allisbrawl.com/ladder/rankings.aspx?id=16
Hopefully we can keep it up.
Kinda unrelated, but me+Renegade team at AiB doubles is now 1st place. 16-0
http://allisbrawl.com/ladder/rankings.aspx?id=16
Hopefully we can keep it up.
Nice little write up on how to discuss match-ups.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236705
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236705
metroid1117
Smash Master
That was an interesting read, actually; I highly recommend that you guys take a look at this if you already haven't.
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
Question:
What is an example of a practical use of jab to Dsmash?
I mean, are there situations when it's better to follow with Dsmash than with another attack like Utilt? Or is it used as a preference for people with different control settings? Just really curious, because I've never used it.
What is an example of a practical use of jab to Dsmash?
I mean, are there situations when it's better to follow with Dsmash than with another attack like Utilt? Or is it used as a preference for people with different control settings? Just really curious, because I've never used it.
metroid1117
Smash Master
I'm not too much of a fan of jab -> DSmash... I guess it's a good way to kill floaties at high %s from a jab if you're afraid of getting a non-sweetspotted UTilt (which might not kill and ruin the element of surprise), but that's pretty much it I guess. DSmash is just as fast as UTilt in terms of frame data, but it just feels faster when you actually use it in battle. The main problem with DSmash is that there's two hits and it's cool-down time after the second hit is fairly long; too long for you to follow up well.
As for people with different control settings, I'm not sure; I never make a conscious effort to jab -> DSmash, so I wouldn't know.
Kimchi
Smash Ace
I've found a much better liking to Utilt in my game lately. It comes out pretty fast, and instead of shielding a charged smash, it's more useful to substitute an Utilt in, though it is risky. By the way, what do you guys shield with? I usually shield with L with my pointer finger and I've found I'm shield dashing way too much so I'm trying to figure out a new way to Shield :/.
metroid1117
Smash Master
Hmm... I know it's a pretty good move to counter aerial approaches, but for some reason I never use UTilt out of habit like jabbing; probably because it's a little slow for my liking in terms of getting from the lowest to highest point.
I shield with L, but I never use my right index finger for anything except pivot/dash grabs.
Palpi
Smash Hero
At high percentage a jab will send the floaty too high to dsmash.
Slaps
Smash Lord
guys check the Dallas (DFW) thread... It is our worst nightmare lol... RoK the Reaper has returned!
Rykoshet
Smash Champion
<_< First jab doesnt have massive knock back or even a wide variation based on %
Slaps
Smash Lord
omg! i <3 Nidtendo now... I take back everything i said about canadians now!
Palpi
Smash Hero
I was thinking of Jigglypuff at like 140% where I really don't think it would work if you factor in DI.
Rykoshet
Smash Champion
Why would jigglypuff even be at 140 against ike in the first place.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
In all honesty, I don't think anyone even goes to that chat anymore.
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