Overswarm, your posts are uncalled for. Despite the fact that you may have good intentions and you may have good suggestions the way you are presenting it is horrible. All anyone gets from your posts when you are addressing them is "HEY YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHY WOULD YOU DO IT THAT WAY IT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE THIS WAY". You need to understand that you WILL NOT get information across to people by posting like that. If you REALLY want changes you need to try to work with people to change things, not scold and be condescending towards them. I'm not saying you need to baby people, just realize that your points aren't going to get across with such a negative connotation. Seriously, please try and work on that because you do have good ideas often you just don't present them well to people usually. This isn't a warning or anything like that I am just offering you some advice, take it or leave it.
Everyone who posted rationally and gave suggestions without being condescending; thank you. I'm sure MMM/Bionic really appreciate the suggestions.
If you guys have a ton of problems with the new skin, that's fine just please try and be respectful when pointing out what you don't like. Constructive criticism is fine, but realize not everything will be used that people want and not everyone will be happy with the final product. Regardless of that it's an effort to improve the site this community uses and it's good that we are working towards something rather than just letting everything sit without attention.
Oh, I know, it sounds better to be all nice and civil about it. In "the real world", I generally am. In the real world, people are often able to listen more and you're more likely to have some sort of power when you are involved in something, and thus your statements are given attention. But we aren't in the real world, and I'm not "Evan" here. I'm a persona, and it's one that works.
I tried the "be nice" thing. You know how long that takes? You know how many people see a long post and roll their eyes and say "boring"? Majority. Heavy majority. They just move on.
My posts get read. My giant posts with pictures and hyperbole and crazy metaphors that make one guys blood boil also make everyone that isn't directly involve dance and clap their hands because they're entertained. I probably made a few dozen people read more than they've read in a week in one sitting and the entire time they're chuckling to themselves and even learning something new.
You want something done, you be aggressive. If it was different, that'd be cool; I'd love to make long detailed posts and have people read them. But I've been doing community projects for years... and I've often been more knowledgable on the subjects I post about than others. Doesn't matter. Loudest wins. Most entertaining wins. I can be both.
Look at your post. You have two paragraphs. The first one? Directed at me. You read my posts. The second one has one sentence, which I cut out, directed at "everyone who posted rationally". You don't even know who they are.You don't pay attention to them. Can you name them? Can you name five? Were there five?
You don't know. You don't know what they said and you don't know who they are.
The calm and quiet mouse is liked but he doesn't get noticed.
You want that to change? The solution isn't wagging your finger in shame or even punishment. The solution is to not create monsters like me by ignoring the people that care enough to post and do so rationally. Instead of reinforcing my point by being one person among many that refer to me directly by name (thus, proving that my posts are being read and my points are being made and noticed) and being yet another that says "everyone else" generically (thus, proving you
don't remember their posts and they are insignificant and could not have posted at all).... you should instead spend that time
showing the people that post rationally that they are not falling upon deaf ears.
Anyone that steps out of their constructed reality for a moment to read this thread and then ask the question "what is the best way for people to hear my voice" is going to emulate me and people like me.
Go read the thread up until I posted. Half the people were ignored or replied to with "I don't think that's a problem".
You want people to be more civil and calm when they have complaints? Reward civil and calm behavior with your attention and make them feel like they're contributing.
I don't really mind the new look of the site except for a few things.
-the huge buttons for Quote, Multi-Quote, and Report
-The large buttons for main page. The ! buttons are too large
-If possible, have an option to keep this skin but remove the side bars
-The SWF Banner is way too bright. I liked the original one better. Try making the white background into a grey background to match the site.
-Oversized text on forum areas. (IE: Text for Media Metropolis, Debate Hall, etc.)
I think that's about it. If I have any more gripes, I'll post them when I get time.
Who posted that? They posted it before I did. Do you remember? Did anyone comment on this? Do you know?
You guys might not like it, but my approach is better. It works. Your approach to what I do proves it. You get huffy or self-righteous about it, but you never actually support what you preach. The kind of posts you want get a "thanks, I appreciate it" and I get a paragraph of feedback and pages of people saying "You're awesome Overswarm". Who is being listened to? Who do people care about? It's not the guy getting a "thanks, I appreciate it". It's the guy that's just entertaining.
Fix that and then you can actually be honest when you say "you shouldn't be so rude".
A few people said stuff about "forcing this upon us" and I agree, it shouldn't have. MMM not having a part of that is irrelevant since any self-respecting individual doing community work, upon hearing something like "we're removing revolution completely", would just say "...make your own skin then". But that's not why I'm so "vibrant". It's because it works.
OS said:
Most players agree on these four stages to be the "duh" neutrals:
Yoshi's Island
Smashville
Final Destination
Battlefield
What I'm wondering is whether or not certain character advantages/disadvantages that affect only one or two characters would be enough, in your guys' opinion, to make a stage "not neutral".
Toon Link can use his d-smash on Yoshi's Island for a OHKO against tether recoveries due to the angle is sends them at if you only hit with the first blade.
Final Destination gimps recoveries for characters such as Ike.
Smashville has a floating platform that greatly benefits those with poor recoveries, like tether's.
Battlefield has low platforms that allow those with good down-airs, up-airs, u-tilts, or u-smashes to dominate the flow of the stage the moment it becomes vertical.
So on and so on. The actual logistics of the stages and how important or terrifying some things could be isn't what I'm getting at; what I'm asking is if only one character could have a huge advantage and/or disadvantage on a stage, would that prevent it from being neutral?
It's a question I personally don't have an answer to and was wondering what you all thought; it is possible we'll have to answer it in the future regardless.
There's a post from the back room in 2008, and predicted most of the issues we'd have with our starter list... but there were 7 posts in that thread.
Here's another one from March of 2008:
OS said:
Defining stalling is going to be extremely important in the near future.
We have Fox's shine, ROB's down-air, Ivysaur's down-air, Lucario's down-air (for realz), etc., etc., that can all be done on the opponent.
We also have characters like Pit and ROB that can go underneath stages repeatedly, but that doesn't really need to be addressed. Hit your opponent with a projectile or run to the other side and grab the ledge. Easy. (editors note in 2011: lol)
So, how are we going to define stalling?
Can we punish a Lucario player for continually hitting down on the c-stick when waiting for pokémon stadium to switch from the rock mode back to normal?
Can we tell Fox's that they can't use their shine repeatedly even if the reason they are doing it is to tempt their opponent to jump up to try to reach them (thus allowing them to fall and air dodge to saftey)?
How can we define stalling with Brawl's many methods, and how can we enforce it?
Twelve posts.
No one cares when you are civil. I predicted, accurately, two vague issues Brawl was going to have: starting stages and stalling. Despite this, discussion was light and mostly a bunch of jokes.
OS said:
This isn't just a poll!
We need a good definition for stalling. I'm not going to take a crack at it yet... anyone else want to give it a shot?
The poll is mostly for infinites. What % should it be considered stalling?
Something that needs to be referenced is if there is a scenario in which there are 30 seconds left on a timer in a D3 ditto and a D3 that is a stock behind gets a grab and shoots someone over the stalling %, should he be forced to kill his opponent with only 10 seconds left in the game?
Doing so makes it possible for the opponent to respawn and deal enough damage to win by %. What should be done in scenarios like this?
That's from three months later. (Kids not in the back room, this is the thread where 300% became the majority vote for "stalling" in an infinite! Your ruleset in the making!)
Go look through all the threads I created. You'll see things only become relevant when people are personally invested in them. You'll also see me become more manic as time goes on because... it works. Those threads get more attention, more posts, more progress.
Don't just say you want more civil posts. Read them, comment on them, and support those posts and posters over those that make a scene.
However hilarious they might be.
