A new home skin for Smashboards

[Overswarm]

Revolution is back. Ignore ugly website, acquire revolution.

 

[Teran]

Make.

The.

Site.

Width.

Smaller.

D:

If it were up to me the width would be fluid, you should be happy it's fixed at this lol.

 

[Zankoku]

Vibrant is fluid. Sort of. It has both a minimum and a maximum width.

 

[Teran]

Yeah well it's still fine anyway in that regard.

Also digging Fluid Revolution, might even switch back for nostalgia's sake, haven't used that skin since 2009.

 

[ndayday]

Just me, but switched to Revolution one last time and decided that I am never touching that horrid skin ever again, lol.
Thanks for the changes MMM. not like I noticed them

 

[Ripple]

Revolution is back. Ignore ugly website, acquire revolution.

can you make this an announcement please?

also, if it hasn't been noticed already

 

[MetalMusicMan]

That's an IE8 exclusive bug that has to do with it resizing pictures but not correctly resizing the text within the div (so the content stretches as if it were wider than it actually is, hence pushing the buttons / text off screen).

It's only in IE8 (not IE7 or IE9) and Microsoft just released I9 instead of fixing it :\

I thought it was worked around at some point (Bio and I looked at it a while back and it didn't seem to be occurring anymore) but you and I think OS reported it after release, so we need to look into another work around for it again.

Do you have javascript disabled by chance?

 

[SCOTU]

I would wager he doesn't, as it's reporting errors on the page

btw, IE8 is somewhere around 1/3 of all internet browsers via usage. Web developers cannot afford to just shove the problem onto MS and say it's not their fault.

 

[MetalMusicMan]

I would wager he doesn't, as it's reporting errors on the page

btw, IE8 is somewhere around 1/3 of all internet browsers via usage. Web developers cannot afford to just shove the problem onto MS and say it's not their fault.

Excuse me? Obviously I'm going to implement a workaround... as I said in the above post...

so we need to look into another work around for it again.

... it is Microsofts problem though. In no part of that post did I say "tough luck". I specifically said I was going to implement a workaround for it.


Most of the time, that particular bug is "fixed" by forcing all IE8 users to render in IE7, btw. It's a very well known bug that invalidates IE8 on a lot of sites, feel free to look it up.

 

[Ripple]

I'm on a school computer....so I wouldn't worry about it too much

 

[Hydro_Smasher]

completely off topic but had to be posted,

Regis MK-5 I love your username and avatar

megas xlr was one of the best cartoons I've ever watched

 

[MK26]

checked fluid revo
then checked vibrant
then checked old revo for the lulz
then accidentally checked smash mobile


then decided to stick with classic blue

 

[Fuelbi]

*checks Revo Fluid*

Better than normal Revo

But still ugly as sin

*goes back to Vibrant*

Much better

 

[Hydro_Smasher]

praise God revolution is back

 

[SCOTU]

Sorry, I didn't mean my post to be particularly offensive nor insulting; I guess the atmosphere in here has been putting you on the defensive though and I should've worded that a bit more carefully.

 

[chic]

The coding/new features are nice, but the new designs are awful. Whoever did it lacks understanding of basic design principles.

 

[Eccentricities]

It's one thing to have an opinion, but the coders obviously worked hard to try and satisfy a community.

Show more respect, use Revolution if you don't particularly like Vibrant, and relax. Not a big deal.

 

[Radium88]

During his time, people didnt like Vincent van Gogh's paintings because they didnt follow "basic principles".

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I'm sure a painting and a forum skin are completely different.

 

[Eccentricities]

I'm sure a painting and a forum skin are completely different.

As a concept? Not really.

 

[Hylian]

I'm sure a painting and a forum skin are completely different.

Obviously, but you are missing her point. Things don't always have to follow "basic principles". Van gogh only sold like 1 painting in his entire life and was ridiculed because his paintings were so different, and now he is considered one of the best artists in history.

 

[Radium88]

I think they are both forms of design. It is just on a different palete. You can say architecture and paintings are different but there are also different art styles for each.

 

[Zankoku]

The limitations of web design and architecture are that they both primarily require function. Art for the sake of art can put priority on form.

 

[MetalMusicMan]

I like how people who "know about design" seem to think that design is defined as one particular style and/or method.

Obviously this isn't an abstract painting, but implying that it's not functional is ridiculous...

Something not matching your preference does not mean it is "bad design".

 

[Zankoku]

Whether or not the style is functional is not the target of my statement; I'm simply noting that a reference to a famous painter is not the first thing I would look to when responding to critique on web design.

 

[MetalMusicMan]

I don't think they meant it to be a direct parallel.

 

[Zankoku]

You say that now, but who's to say whether it's that, or indeed intended to be a direct parallel, or simply a case of the poster not realizing the difference at the time?

Well, that's probably something only radium can answer.

Regardless, a post-impressionist painter was an odd choice.

 

[Radium88]

I only referenced a famous painter because most people know about him and I wanted to point out that not everyone particularly enjoyed his works due to the fact that he didnt follow the standards in his design. People seem to complain that this website has too big of a banner, the widths of the page, etc etc it has too many things that dont follow the "standards" of web design.

 

[MetalMusicMan]

Which is humorous because there isn't anything "nonstandard" about it in any way.

 

[Eccentricities]

Which is humorous because there isn't anything "nonstandard" about it in any way.

Not the point.

To other people complaining, it's "non-standard." He's not specifically asking for your opinion.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Which is humorous because there isn't anything "nonstandard" about it in any way.

It kind of ignores the grid setup that most websites have because it's incredibly appealing to the eye? I.e. exactly what Overswarm has said in this thread.

 

[Zankoku]

People seem to complain that this website has too big of a banne

To be fair, there is an awful lot of stuff at the top that isn't necessarily what people actually want to see (banner, announcements box) that pushes what people are most likely looking for (the page content) down by around 600 pixels. This is pretty significant compared to the ~330 of Smash Blue, or even the ~410 of Revolution.

I'm not going to comment on appearance because there are indeed people out there who prefer looking at pretty pictures (a lot, actually) and don't mind scrolling an extra 200 pixels down because the additional eye candy is worth it.

 

[Radium88]

It kind of ignores the grid setup that most websites have because it's incredibly appealing to the eye? I.e. exactly what Overswarm has said in this thread.

So this website needs to follow the grid set-up that most websites have used over and over? Is that grid set-up only appealing because it is what we are use to? How is that more appealing than this set-up?

Also, wait, people dont like the size of the banner and announcements bec of the extra couple of clicks to scroll down?

....

 

[MetalMusicMan]

The banner / top section is pretty much the exact same height as Revo.

You really can't count the featured box as part of the banner. Plenty of sites have a news box or featured content box, that's very "standard". Vertical scrolling isn't really an issue since you have to do that on every site anyway. There seems to be this idea that there is oh-so-much stuff that causes vertical scrolling... you're talking maybe like ONE extra scroll here...

Tournaments and live streams getting attention is very good, and the banner is only slightly larger than what you might expect anywhere else. Overall it's really not very vertically stressed at all.


The layout is still basically a grid in terms of where elements actually are, but I didn't want things to look perfectly ruler-aligned to each other / have refined edges or meeting points. Most of Smash's (and specifically Brawl's) in-game menus use varying non-standard shapes and such, this site is designed to reflect the game that we play.



I can't do anything to make people who want a minimalistic layout happy, that would require an entirely different skin. If you like minimalism, that's perfectly fine. I like it just fine myself depending on what it's used for, but that's not what this skin is about.

 

[Deleted member]

ehm that's like the most unfair comparison ever. how about you actually login on the revo skin?

I also don't see why the brawl main menu makes for a good forum skin but okay.

I'm gonna stop now because neither side will move an inch anyway.

(PS the van Gogh comparison is valid. his painting were considered bad in his lifetime. period. who friggin cares if vibrant will be considered top-notch design somewhere 200 years from now?)

 

[chic]

During his time, people didnt like Vincent van Gogh's paintings because they didnt follow "basic principles".

^^ I really hope that was a joke

 

[MetalMusicMan]

ehm that's like the most unfair comparison ever. how about you actually login on the revo skin?

That doesn't change the banner, which is "oh so huge", but actually the same height.

The only thing it does change is that the registration box goes away on Revo, so then you're just dealing with the added vertical space of the featured box, which is very deserving of the space and absolutely should be emphasized.

 

[chic]

So this website needs to follow the grid set-up that most websites have used over and over? Is that grid set-up only appealing because it is what we are use to? How is that more appealing than this set-up?

A grid is used to help with hierarchy, flow, organization and many other things. It is also aesthetically pleasing. Look up the golden rectangle

(PS the van Gogh comparison is valid. his painting were considered bad in his lifetime.

Comparing fine art to graphic design is ********. They are not the same thing. They have different purposes.

 

[Lore]

It kind of ignores the grid setup that most websites have because it's incredibly appealing to the eye? I.e. exactly what Overswarm has said in this thread.

Exactly. Just because you want to be "different" doesn't mean that you should ignore basic design principles like color and organization. But hey, neither side is going to move, so I'm not gonna bother arguing any more.

Anyway, can you please remove the bar with "MAJOR TOURNAMENTS," "SITE ANNOUNCEMENTS," and such from everything but the main page? It's rather annoying; it's like that "register here today" thing from Rev but you can't make it go away.

Now that I've checked out vibrant again, time to switch back to Rev.

 

[Deleted member]

chic the point was that is was a valid but pointless comparison since people caring about vibrant or not a century from now doesn't make it a good/bad skin.