A new home skin for Smashboards

[Deleted member]

1) why not
2) because there still is a large group of people that find this new skin flawed

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I love how MMM just dismisses OS's post as "ruckus". I mean you ask for suggestions, then someone gives them to you on a silver platter and you discard them like trash. Personally, I agree with just about everything OS has said. I don't get why your acting in such a childish manner to ignore the obvious advice he has given.

 

[Cort]

Whelp.

 

[Spelt]

There's really nothing inherently wrong with any of those things, but any of his "good suggestions" have actually been brought up in a civil manner by others long before him, and then addressed or explained already.

Yeah there is lol. especially when numerous people are complaining about them.
If you asked anybody in the web design industry what they thought of the new skin they would probably walk away ashamed or call it a web 2.0 disaster.

also there's a thing called too much.

 

[Zajice]

Spelt up there showed me this, and I'm posting it because I can.

 

[BunBun]

Hey, remember when JV said that if enough people wanted Revolution back, we would get Revolution back as a choice?


Yeah?

 

[z00ted]

We both accept hugs and high-fives as donations if you feel like giving them out :D

Guys - where are all the hugs and high-fives?

 

[shanus]

Looking at TPKs uniform grid looks pretty nice. However, given that 95% of the time the sidebar isn't even there, it doesn't seem that important. However, zooming out and seeing those orange and purple borders sticks out like a sore thumb.

 

[Spelt]

Guys - where are all the hugs and high-fives?

Idk ... i wouldn't been willing to talk it out in a peaceful manner and give him well thought out advice, but seeing how he's handle the situation so far i don't think that's possible.
basically all i see happening is me giving him an idea, presenting my case, and then being shot down simply because "that's just my opinion" of something or the likes.


but smash blue always was and still is my favorite (although it's really not that great either) so it doesn't really effect me that much tbh.

 

[MK26]

You ever look at google's website? Like, REALLY look at it? It isn't centered. Go ahead, use a ruler. It's not the same. They shift it to the left because that's where you look first, and it's more aesthetically pleasing than simply being centered.

mind = ****ing blown

 

[Sraigux]

Hey, remember when JV said that if enough people wanted Revolution back, we would get Revolution back as a choice?


Yeah?

I'm thinking smashboards should make a poll to bring revolution back

 

[fkacyan]

@os: Great post. We might not always agree, but the level of detail you put in your criticisms is something I wish I had the patience for (in non-WoW applications, at least. I don't seem to have an issue making huge posts for theorycraft).

I doubt any of the technical

Spoiler

quite valid

criticisms given by milktea and OS will be taken into consideration any time soon, though. I just want the top buttons (Smashboards / Boards / Info / Connect) to be in a separate container from the main body so I can shrink the width of the boards a little more. That's more of a code thing than a design philosophy, though. 8|

EDIT: OS, that's a bit misleading. It actually is centered, but doesn't appear to be because it's justified based on the text box and the text to its right. If you want to be really technical it's actually 15px closer to the right side.

 

[Overswarm]

Cool, now I get to help make a skin. Thanks for the offer, MMM.

I'd suggest you really look at this stuff though; your work here is pretty sub par. I guarantee you didn't launch it as a finished product and I guarantee you had some hurdles in access and/or time to do it, so it definitely isn't the pinnacle of your ability, but damn. You have several actual designers telling you "hey, you kinda messed up".

I made a post using screenshots and examples from more successful and professional websites and you say it is "ruckus" because... you don't like how I sound?

OS the lines you randomly painted over those images of the new theme make no sense, you're so obviously trying to hard. That's not even where you would place them if you knew what you were doing. You're just trying sooo hard to come off as super knowledgeable about this subject.

"LOOK, I put red lines, which mean BAD, on this image!! This means that I know what I am talking about and that this is BAD! Just look at all those red lines! BAD BAD BAD! Now, you'll notice that on this other image, I put BLUE lines! This means good-- see how this image has all blue lines and this one has all red lines? This means one is good and one is bad!!"

Golly, I'm so convinced that you are knowledgeable on this subject!

Those lines refer to how well sections of the site synchronize with one another. Different sections need to synchronize via ratio or be lined up exactly, or both. Blue lines are synchronized, red lines are not. I even specifically said "red lines don't mean bad", you didn't read

Why would you want your eyes to be naturally drawn to the banner? Hrmn, I dunno... ... ... maybe because that's the entire purpose of a banner? Oh right, that's it. But just for safe measure, maybe I should take some screen shots and draw random red lines all over them so I can seem more convincing.

That is not the purpose of a banner. You want your eyes drawn to content. If every site said "look at my banner" and you were forced to scroll down to see any content, the internet would commit seppuku.

Post buttons at the top of the post is a TERRIBLE idea. TERRIBLE. You would have to scroll back UP to use the buttons. Great suggestion, Mr. infinite web design wisdom.

1) I actually posted that exact thing...

2) It was someone else's idea that I used as a mockup. He saw an issue, he offered a solution. It's actually a really good idea, it's just bad for really long posts (like mine). It wouldn't be a bad idea at all for buttons t be at the top AND bottom, but I'd prefer just bottom personally.

This isn't colorful? Is there something wrong with your eyes? The only thing about this that dilutes the color in any way is that it's lit with a setting sun effect. The rest of the game is lit normally and the colors are even more emphasized...

I'm tempted to just quote Ankoku's post from the back room =P

Brawl isn't colorful. It has colors, but it isn't colorful... not like this.

Oh and since you're accusing me of "not reading anything" (I wonder why I wouldn't enjoy every delicious inch of your post? hrrrmnnnn...), you should probably READ the original post where it indicates that the Site Announcements swap over to Live Streams when there is a Live Stream on. Actually, it's doing that RIGHT NOW since there's a Live Stream on today. The Site Announcements section is just there to make sure that there's always something displayed, rather than wasting space.

"Wasting space" ? It's the internet, yo. It is infinite space. You don't do things "just because".

You have a problem with the new post icons having color too? Okay, you just hate things that stand out. The entire point of a new post notification is to NOTIFY YOU that there is a new post. You know, catch your eye? Hence the contrast. You might have read about contrast in that super awesome and informative contrast 101 article that you linked me. It's a pretty cool concept.

You should only notice them when you are looking for them. Not when you already know they are there.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Did he seriously say nothing was wrong with free flow?

Oh my....

Look at this site: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ Notice something about it? It's nearly perfectly aligned vertically, except for the one top ad. Heck, they even managed to get the side ad to line up fine. Search and platform lines need to be bumped over a tad to the right on the skin I use there, but that's the only other thing I can find wrong with it. The banner (again, on my skin, one without the ugly "Gamespot" underneath "GameFAQs") is nice, small, and non-obtrusive. Menu bars are nicely organized.

How about this one? http://redvsblue.com/home.php Hm, again: smaller banner, menu bars are nicely designed, vertically organized. Considering that they can't control the size of their posts, rending horizontal organization is not really doable, but it's not annoying. Not the best site, but better than this current skin for smashboards.

http://armorgames.com/ ? Outside of the up top ads, it lines up very well both vertically and horizontally.

Smashboards: It's not organized horizontally or vertically. The sizes of the boxes are largely random, particularly on the first page with the sidebar. That[/i] is what's wrong with "free flow" style: it looks unprofessional and sloppy.

You wanted feedback MMM: you don't get to toss away the feedback you don't like as "just another way of making web pages". The reason that everyone uses the grid layout is because that is the layout that actually works. You've gotta get at least one direction right on the grid.

 

[Flayl]

I'm hoping this is a priority fix - it doesn't affect me because of Adblock and Stylish but

[collapse="Vertical space (scroll down)"]

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Also OS can be pretty obnoxious, I remember there being several Brawl issues I actually agree with him on but reading his arguments would make me "rage".

 

[Purple]

Now I know how to be a Developer for Smashboards.

Ignore anything that could possibly help smashboards and consider it something that's trolling.

 

[4 Aces]

No legend is necessary; they just need to add alt text. That's pretty standard everywhere. Make a post, then hover over any of the buttons. Ta-da, instant legend-as-you-go.

Yeah, that's actually what I mean. In revolution, when I hovered over it, I understood what it meant. With this one, I'm like, "WHAT does this mean?!"

 

[Ryuker]

Why would you want your eyes to be naturally drawn to the banner? Hrmn, I dunno... ... ... maybe because that's the entire purpose of a banner? Oh right, that's it. But just for safe measure, maybe I should take some screen shots and draw random red lines all over them so I can seem more convincing.

You really didn't get anything he said in his post now did you? He's whole point is that you've designed this skin for a different purpose then that is being used for. Who cares about the banner when they are trying to type a post?! We use this site to share information, you've designed it too look pretty.

Aesthetics for a forum while important should never go over usability, the way you've done it you are hindering usability for aesthetics.
There's a hierarchy when you design a forum and you've flipped it. For a forum or any kind of site that is regularly used to share information the most important is getting to that information as soon and as easy as possible. Instead this skin distracts me with all these extra options and hinders me from finding the features that I do want.

Look at facebook. See their banner? Imagine having to scroll past the same amount of useless info when you are trying to read a wallpost? Would you still visit facebook as regular as people do now?

The point OS is trying to get across with the lines is that it's a very disturbing layout. You have 3 different boxes all with different sizes on top of each other. This means my eyes needs to seek instead of being guided to the content which is more tiring. Why would you want that?

 

[iRJi]

Cool, now I get to help make a skin. Thanks for the offer, MMM.

I'd suggest you really look at this stuff though; your work here is pretty sub par. I guarantee you didn't launch it as a finished product and I guarantee you had some hurdles in access and/or time to do it, so it definitely isn't the pinnacle of your ability, but damn. You have several actual designers telling you "hey, you kinda messed up".

I made a post using screenshots and examples from more successful and professional websites and you say it is "ruckus" because... you don't like how I sound?


Those lines refer to how well sections of the site synchronize with one another. Different sections need to synchronize via ratio or be lined up exactly, or both. Blue lines are synchronized, red lines are not. I even specifically said "red lines don't mean bad", you didn't read



That is not the purpose of a banner. You want your eyes drawn to content. If every site said "look at my banner" and you were forced to scroll down to see any content, the internet would commit seppuku.



1) I actually posted that exact thing...

2) It was someone else's idea that I used as a mockup. He saw an issue, he offered a solution. It's actually a really good idea, it's just bad for really long posts (like mine). It wouldn't be a bad idea at all for buttons t be at the top AND bottom, but I'd prefer just bottom personally.



I'm tempted to just quote Ankoku's post from the back room =P

Brawl isn't colorful. It has colors, but it isn't colorful... not like this.



"Wasting space" ? It's the internet, yo. It is infinite space. You don't do things "just because".



You should only notice them when you are looking for them. Not when you already know they are there.

While I agree with your comments in a lot of sections, I would like to point out that your approach to the situation is pretty rude. I love you OS, and all the hard work you do, but please at least go about it nicer.

I know from first hand however, that people have a hard time reading things unless it hits them hard one way or another. I bold this not just for him, but for any who is reading this thread:

READ EVERYTHING

I can't express enough how much people irk me when thoughts are ran over. It's wasted energy to say something and have it not heard.

I have been doing graphic arts at a intermediate level for about 5 years now. I have nothing major, just personal freelance work and school presentations, but I have been doing critiques for graphic arts for quite a while also. This is not a stab at anyone personally, but every word said should be taken into consideration. You even have the inexperienced people taking their time to help up with at least one or two words, and every time something of the sort gets wasted it pisses me off. It's for everyone best interest to become open minded and watch what others want and are saying. Not just for this layout, but even from a business perspective. You wouldn't supply something that no one really wants, right? You wouldn't make a profit of any sort that way, and lose advancement. It's a minus in both money and productivity.

OS the lines you randomly painted over those images of the new theme make no sense, you're so obviously trying to hard. That's not even where you would place them if you knew what you were doing. You're just trying sooo hard to come off as super knowledgeable about this subject.

"LOOK, I put red lines, which mean BAD, on this image!! This means that I know what I am talking about and that this is BAD! Just look at all those red lines! BAD BAD BAD! Now, you'll notice that on this other image, I put BLUE lines! This means good-- see how this image has all blue lines and this one has all red lines? This means one is good and one is bad!!"

Golly, I'm so convinced that you are knowledgeable on this subject!


Go make a mockup for your own skin and send it in, please.

Show us how awesome you are. The worst thing that could happen is that you actually do something productive (gasp!) and the community gets another good skin. That would be AWESOME and would make everyone happy! I would really love that. But... I'm pretty sure you're "just a kid with a computer" with too much time on your hands trying to look cool on the internet.




The article you linked on contrast is typical. You can see plenty of those elements in this design...

Why would you want your eyes to be naturally drawn to the banner? Hrmn, I dunno... ... ... maybe because that's the entire purpose of a banner? Oh right, that's it. But just for safe measure, maybe I should take some screen shots and draw random red lines all over them so I can seem more convincing.

Post buttons at the top of the post is a TERRIBLE idea. TERRIBLE. You would have to scroll back UP to use the buttons. Great suggestion, Mr. infinite web design wisdom.

This isn't colorful? Is there something wrong with your eyes? The only thing about this that dilutes the color in any way is that it's lit with a setting sun effect. The rest of the game is lit normally and the colors are even more emphasized...


"I shrunk my browser window down to 300px horizontally and NOTHING FITS, WTF?!?!?!"

Seriously?

Saying that "most people don't browse in full screen anymore" is absurd. That is absolutely not the case. For the people who DON'T browse in full screen (it's certainly not uncommon), the site scales perfectly down to around 1,000px horizontally. If someone is browsing the internet in a Window much smaller than that, you're going to run into trouble on just about any website... some sites are still designed for 800px, which is fine too, but that's getting less and less common.



The Notices box is something that's part of VBulletin / other people implemented that I have nothing to do with. It's not the same as the Site Announcements though.


Oh and since you're accusing me of "not reading anything" (I wonder why I wouldn't enjoy every delicious inch of your post? hrrrmnnnn...), you should probably READ the original post where it indicates that the Site Announcements swap over to Live Streams when there is a Live Stream on. Actually, it's doing that RIGHT NOW since there's a Live Stream on today. The Site Announcements section is just there to make sure that there's always something displayed, rather than wasting space.

The sidebar and featured box fit perfectly... I don't know what else to say. Once again your random red lines aren't even where they should be if you were attempting to outline the layout... they are meaningless...

You have a problem with the new post icons having color too? Okay, you just hate things that stand out. The entire point of a new post notification is to NOTIFY YOU that there is a new post. You know, catch your eye? Hence the contrast. You might have read about contrast in that super awesome and informative contrast 101 article that you linked me. It's a pretty cool concept.

I posted before what I saw from my point of view.
Personally, I do not think OS was making a troll attempt. I honestly feel that he just stands strong on everything he is saying. Although, I don't see how anyone will miss his post. All I can say is just read everything, twice. He really isn't trying to make a scene, just only trying to make a point.

 

[fkacyan]

Aw maaaaaaaan, RJ, you just made me realize the sitecontainer has a minwidth of 1050 when you quoted him. Gah! Or maybe it varies if you quote a picture? Hrm, things to think on.

 

[iRJi]

Aw maaaaaaaan, RJ, you just made me realize the sitecontainer has a minwidth of 1050 when you quoted him. Gah!

LOL.

xD. Oh the fun =P.

 

[fkacyan]

LOL.

xD. Oh the fun =P.

A default width of 1280 is all fine and dandy for people on a monitor where that leaves more than 50px on each side.

 

[Flayl]

Any designer here want to give me tips for my project?

 

[Zankoku]

I think you need to decide on whether you're going for dark background with light text/foreground or light background with dark text/foreground. Right now the sidebar heavily clashes with the everything else.

 

[Flayl]

I see, thanks. My objective was for it to stand out (and to be as faithful to the official smash bros site as possble) but I guess it's overdoing it. I'll find a way to change it (and the table header I suppose?) to a light background/dark text.

 

[Hylian]

Jesus, what is wrong with you guys?

There is nothing wrong with disliking the skin. There is nothing wrong with posting suggestions. The way some of you are going about it and some of the things are complaining about are just insane and downright rude and uncalled for.

Do you guys realize how much FREETIME MMM/Bionic put into this? MMM is getting a lot of flak because he's the one responding to things and yeah he's being defensive, but ANYONE would be defensive in his position. Seriously, he is genuinely trying to help the community with no benefit to himself on his own time. He's also implemented several things people have pointed out already and the skin was just released and people are being so ****ing rude and condescending to him it's baffling. Have some appreciation for someone putting in a lot of time and effort to better the community/website, REGARDLESS of your opinion. You can always present your opinion and ask that things be changed, there isn't a reason in the world to be so condescending and rude.

Overswarm, your posts are uncalled for. Despite the fact that you may have good intentions and you may have good suggestions the way you are presenting it is horrible. All anyone gets from your posts when you are addressing them is "HEY YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHY WOULD YOU DO IT THAT WAY IT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE THIS WAY". You need to understand that you WILL NOT get information across to people by posting like that. If you REALLY want changes you need to try to work with people to change things, not scold and be condescending towards them. I'm not saying you need to baby people, just realize that your points aren't going to get across with such a negative connotation. Seriously, please try and work on that because you do have good ideas often you just don't present them well to people usually. This isn't a warning or anything like that I am just offering you some advice, take it or leave it.

Everyone who posted rationally and gave suggestions without being condescending; thank you. I'm sure MMM/Bionic really appreciate the suggestions. If you guys have a ton of problems with the new skin, that's fine just please try and be respectful when pointing out what you don't like. Constructive criticism is fine, but realize not everything will be used that people want and not everyone will be happy with the final product. Regardless of that it's an effort to improve the site this community uses and it's good that we are working towards something rather than just letting everything sit without attention.

Thanks,

-Hylian

 

[iRJi]

Jesus, what is wrong with you guys?

There is nothing wrong with disliking the skin. There is nothing wrong with posting suggestions. The way some of you are going about it and some of the things are complaining about are just insane and downright rude and uncalled for.

Do you guys realize how much FREETIME MMM/Bionic put into this? MMM is getting a lot of flak because he's the one responding to things and yeah he's being defensive, but ANYONE would be defensive in his position. Seriously, he is genuinely trying to help the community with no benefit to himself on his own time. He's also implemented several things people have pointed out already and the skin was just released and people are being so ****ing rude and condescending to him it's baffling. Have some appreciation for someone putting in a lot of time and effort to better the community/website, REGARDLESS of your opinion. You can always present your opinion and ask that things be changed, there isn't a reason in the world to be so condescending and rude.

Overswarm, your posts are uncalled for. Despite the fact that you may have good intentions and you may have good suggestions the way you are presenting it is horrible. All anyone gets from your posts when you are addressing them is "HEY YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHY WOULD YOU DO IT THAT WAY IT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE THIS WAY". You need to understand that you WILL NOT get information across to people by posting like that. If you REALLY want changes you need to try to work with people to change things, not scold and be condescending towards them. I'm not saying you need to baby people, just realize that your points aren't going to get across with such a negative connotation. Seriously, please try and work on that because you do have good ideas often you just don't present them well to people usually. This isn't a warning or anything like that I am just offering you some advice, take it or leave it.

Everyone who posted rationally and gave suggestions without being condescending; thank you. I'm sure MMM/Bionic really appreciate the suggestions. If you guys have a ton of problems with the new skin, that's fine just please try and be respectful when pointing out what you don't like. Constructive criticism is fine, but realize not everything will be used that people want and not everyone will be happy with the final product. Regardless of that it's an effort to improve the site this community uses and it's good that we are working towards something rather than just letting everything sit without attention.

Thanks,

-Hylian

+1 for truth.

 

[MLG_JV]

Jesus, what is wrong with you guys?

There is nothing wrong with disliking the skin. There is nothing wrong with posting suggestions. The way some of you are going about it and some of the things are complaining about are just insane and downright rude and uncalled for.

Do you guys realize how much FREETIME MMM/Bionic put into this? MMM is getting a lot of flak because he's the one responding to things and yeah he's being defensive, but ANYONE would be defensive in his position. Seriously, he is genuinely trying to help the community with no benefit to himself on his own time. He's also implemented several things people have pointed out already and the skin was just released and people are being so ****ing rude and condescending to him it's baffling. Have some appreciation for someone putting in a lot of time and effort to better the community/website, REGARDLESS of your opinion. You can always present your opinion and ask that things be changed, there isn't a reason in the world to be so condescending and rude.

Overswarm, your posts are uncalled for. Despite the fact that you may have good intentions and you may have good suggestions the way you are presenting it is horrible. All anyone gets from your posts when you are addressing them is "HEY YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHY WOULD YOU DO IT THAT WAY IT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE THIS WAY". You need to understand that you WILL NOT get information across to people by posting like that. If you REALLY want changes you need to try to work with people to change things, not scold and be condescending towards them. I'm not saying you need to baby people, just realize that your points aren't going to get across with such a negative connotation. Seriously, please try and work on that because you do have good ideas often you just don't present them well to people usually. This isn't a warning or anything like that I am just offering you some advice, take it or leave it.

Everyone who posted rationally and gave suggestions without being condescending; thank you. I'm sure MMM/Bionic really appreciate the suggestions. If you guys have a ton of problems with the new skin, that's fine just please try and be respectful when pointing out what you don't like. Constructive criticism is fine, but realize not everything will be used that people want and not everyone will be happy with the final product. Regardless of that it's an effort to improve the site this community uses and it's good that we are working towards something rather than just letting everything sit without attention.

Thanks,

-Hylian

Honestly could not have said it better myself. Spot on.

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, but come on lets not transition into a site of internet *******s (rhymes with masspoles). Not how this community was built. I know its just a huge minority of the userbase here. But some of the stuff I see posted in this thread just makes me shake my head.


Anyway, Revolution is 95% likely to be reopened by the end of the day tomorrow as a selectable alt skin. Couple things I want to talk/mul over yet. But appears there are enough people that would prefer it (and glad a decent amount of you were respectful about it).

 

[z00ted]

Jesus, what is wrong with you guys?

There is nothing wrong with disliking the skin. There is nothing wrong with posting suggestions. The way some of you are going about it and some of the things are complaining about are just insane and downright rude and uncalled for.

Do you guys realize how much FREETIME MMM/Bionic put into this? MMM is getting a lot of flak because he's the one responding to things and yeah he's being defensive, but ANYONE would be defensive in his position. Seriously, he is genuinely trying to help the community with no benefit to himself on his own time. He's also implemented several things people have pointed out already and the skin was just released and people are being so ****ing rude and condescending to him it's baffling. Have some appreciation for someone putting in a lot of time and effort to better the community/website, REGARDLESS of your opinion. You can always present your opinion and ask that things be changed, there isn't a reason in the world to be so condescending and rude.

Overswarm, your posts are uncalled for. Despite the fact that you may have good intentions and you may have good suggestions the way you are presenting it is horrible. All anyone gets from your posts when you are addressing them is "HEY YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHY WOULD YOU DO IT THAT WAY IT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE THIS WAY". You need to understand that you WILL NOT get information across to people by posting like that. If you REALLY want changes you need to try to work with people to change things, not scold and be condescending towards them. I'm not saying you need to baby people, just realize that your points aren't going to get across with such a negative connotation. Seriously, please try and work on that because you do have good ideas often you just don't present them well to people usually. This isn't a warning or anything like that I am just offering you some advice, take it or leave it.

Everyone who posted rationally and gave suggestions without being condescending; thank you. I'm sure MMM/Bionic really appreciate the suggestions. If you guys have a ton of problems with the new skin, that's fine just please try and be respectful when pointing out what you don't like. Constructive criticism is fine, but realize not everything will be used that people want and not everyone will be happy with the final product. Regardless of that it's an effort to improve the site this community uses and it's good that we are working towards something rather than just letting everything sit without attention.

Thanks,

-Hylian

Good stuff, but I could have just looked to the left of your post to figure out you were Hylian.



MLG_JV it's awesome to hear that you are most likely bringing back revolution!

 

[fkacyan]

Jesus, what is wrong with you guys?

There is nothing wrong with disliking the skin. There is nothing wrong with posting suggestions. The way some of you are going about it and some of the things are complaining about are just insane and downright rude and uncalled for.

Do you guys realize how much FREETIME MMM/Bionic put into this? MMM is getting a lot of flak because he's the one responding to things and yeah he's being defensive, but ANYONE would be defensive in his position. Seriously, he is genuinely trying to help the community with no benefit to himself on his own time. He's also implemented several things people have pointed out already and the skin was just released and people are being so ****ing rude and condescending to him it's baffling. Have some appreciation for someone putting in a lot of time and effort to better the community/website, REGARDLESS of your opinion. You can always present your opinion and ask that things be changed, there isn't a reason in the world to be so condescending and rude.

Overswarm, your posts are uncalled for. Despite the fact that you may have good intentions and you may have good suggestions the way you are presenting it is horrible. All anyone gets from your posts when you are addressing them is "HEY YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHY WOULD YOU DO IT THAT WAY IT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE THIS WAY". You need to understand that you WILL NOT get information across to people by posting like that. If you REALLY want changes you need to try to work with people to change things, not scold and be condescending towards them. I'm not saying you need to baby people, just realize that your points aren't going to get across with such a negative connotation. Seriously, please try and work on that because you do have good ideas often you just don't present them well to people usually. This isn't a warning or anything like that I am just offering you some advice, take it or leave it.

Everyone who posted rationally and gave suggestions without being condescending; thank you. I'm sure MMM/Bionic really appreciate the suggestions. If you guys have a ton of problems with the new skin, that's fine just please try and be respectful when pointing out what you don't like. Constructive criticism is fine, but realize not everything will be used that people want and not everyone will be happy with the final product. Regardless of that it's an effort to improve the site this community uses and it's good that we are working towards something rather than just letting everything sit without attention.

Thanks,

-Hylian

@Hylian:

A change that was not asked for that was poorly implemented that people did not like is not necessarily going to inspire people to constructively comment.

-SCN

 

[stingers]

you have no say in the matters of this website, so it doesn't matter whether you asked for it or not. acting like a whiny little kid afterwords doesn't help matters any further

 

[Morrigan]

Thanks for bringing it back!

 

[Rychu]

Love it! Great work, Dudes(and/or Dudettes, I dont know) :D

 

[fkacyan]

you have no say in the matters of this website, so it doesn't matter whether you asked for it or not. acting like a whiny little kid afterwords doesn't help matters any further

 

[iRJi]

you have no say in the matters of this website, so it doesn't matter whether you asked for it or not. acting like a whiny little kid afterwords doesn't help matters any further

....What? I hope this is a troll.

 

[Purple]

Last post in this thread for now.

Hylian, I understand where you're coming from and on top of that I understand that MMM put a ton of effort into this skin. As a person who's tried time and time again to make website designs, I know that a lot of effort is put into a project like this, and things that are asked for that might look miniscule, may take a large amount of effort and time to find, edit, test, and have available to public. As I've said before, I personally like the new Vibrant skin and hope it stays (albeit takes constructive criticism on how to make it a better skin).

However the fact remains that this skin was made into a forced choice, instead of being an extra skin along with revolution. I understand mistakes and -I- personally don't mind the idea that you guys gave (mainly because I like vibrant anyways ) but think of if this thread was initially "a new extra home skin for public members!" instead of "a new home skin for Smashboards". Everyone who liked revolution would just go "****'s wack" and go back to revolution; no harm done. Everyone else would flood this thread with constant praise and MMM, MLG_JV, and Bionic would be a happy campers.

But that wasn't done, it was replaced, and while MMM gave a lot of effort, which is a positive thing, he did a -really- negative thing and took away what many members might've enjoyed with the site originally. As much as he can do that if he felt like it, it probably shouldn't have been done (but i'm sure that's getting changed so w/e).

As much as Overswarm's general obnoxiousness about how awesome he is sucks ( to most people), it would be in our best interest to look through the obnoxious comment and see that he has points. You can't push away from it just because it sounds mean, that's just an excuse to not listen. There are people all over the world just like him, some smarter and with extremely valid opinions. I not only see that OS might need to reassess his way of talking, but we as a whole need to listen to people regardless of how their tone is making us perceive them.

THat being said thought I think Vibrant so far looks great, and overall is a work in progress that will come out to be even better than Revolution, but perhaps more people should be on the job so that the opinion of what's good or bad isn't relayed between the same people?

 

[Hylian]

Last post in this thread for now.



However the fact remains that this skin was made into a forced choice, instead of being an extra skin along with revolution. I understand mistakes and -I- personally don't mind the idea that you guys gave (mainly because I like vibrant anyways ) but think of if this thread was initially "a new extra home skin for public members!" instead of "a new home skin for Smashboards". Everyone who liked revolution would just go "****'s wack" and go back to revolution; no harm done. Everyone else would flood this thread with constant praise and MMM, MLG_JV, and Bionic would be a happy campers.

Except JV said that if enough people wanted the revolution skin would come back and the staff has been open to suggestions the entire time and MMM has been using some of those suggestions. It's not like it was forced with no options for feedback and it was just going to be left that way. Revolution is coming back now that people have expressed that they wanted it. None of this warranted what I pointed out in my previous post.

But that wasn't done, it was replaced, and while MMM gave a lot of effort, which is a positive thing, he did a -really- negative thing and took away what many members might've enjoyed with the site originally. As much as he can do that if he felt like it, it probably shouldn't have been done (but i'm sure that's getting changed so w/e).

MMM DIDN'T do that. JV wanted the revolution skin gone and this has been said multiple times. MMM had nothing to do with the decision to replace the revo skin.

As much as Overswarm's general obnoxiousness about how awesome he is sucks ( to most people), it would be in our best interest to look through the obnoxious comment and see that he has points. You can't push away from it just because it sounds mean, that's just an excuse to not listen. There are people all over the world just like him, some smarter and with extremely valid opinions. I not only see that OS might need to reassess his way of talking, but we as a whole need to listen to people regardless of how their tone is making us perceive them.

I agree, I never at any point said we shouldn't listen to what OS was saying, I even said he had good ideas. My post to him was about how to get his ideas across in a different way and had nothing to do with the content. All the suggestions from everyone are being looked at.

THat being said thought I think Vibrant so far looks great, and overall is a work in progress that will come out to be even better than Revolution, but perhaps more people should be on the job so that the opinion of what's good or bad isn't relayed between the same people?

Possibly, but we have to start somewhere.

 

[Fuelbi]

Jesus, what is wrong with you guys?

There is nothing wrong with disliking the skin. There is nothing wrong with posting suggestions. The way some of you are going about it and some of the things are complaining about are just insane and downright rude and uncalled for.

Do you guys realize how much FREETIME MMM/Bionic put into this? MMM is getting a lot of flak because he's the one responding to things and yeah he's being defensive, but ANYONE would be defensive in his position. Seriously, he is genuinely trying to help the community with no benefit to himself on his own time. He's also implemented several things people have pointed out already and the skin was just released and people are being so ****ing rude and condescending to him it's baffling. Have some appreciation for someone putting in a lot of time and effort to better the community/website, REGARDLESS of your opinion. You can always present your opinion and ask that things be changed, there isn't a reason in the world to be so condescending and rude.

Overswarm, your posts are uncalled for. Despite the fact that you may have good intentions and you may have good suggestions the way you are presenting it is horrible. All anyone gets from your posts when you are addressing them is "HEY YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHY WOULD YOU DO IT THAT WAY IT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE THIS WAY". You need to understand that you WILL NOT get information across to people by posting like that. If you REALLY want changes you need to try to work with people to change things, not scold and be condescending towards them. I'm not saying you need to baby people, just realize that your points aren't going to get across with such a negative connotation. Seriously, please try and work on that because you do have good ideas often you just don't present them well to people usually. This isn't a warning or anything like that I am just offering you some advice, take it or leave it.

Everyone who posted rationally and gave suggestions without being condescending; thank you. I'm sure MMM/Bionic really appreciate the suggestions. If you guys have a ton of problems with the new skin, that's fine just please try and be respectful when pointing out what you don't like. Constructive criticism is fine, but realize not everything will be used that people want and not everyone will be happy with the final product. Regardless of that it's an effort to improve the site this community uses and it's good that we are working towards something rather than just letting everything sit without attention.

Thanks,

-Hylian

Thanks for pointing out for what I came in here to point out myself. Seems unfair to treat MMM as everybody is for spending so much free time on this skin :/

And I still honestly don't see what the problem with they layout of this skin is. I personally like the way the entire thing is layed out and have no problems with it.

I WOULD like to point out, however, that the little ! and checkmark icons are annoying because it's still pretty hard to differentiate between the two.

 

[UltiMario]

Revolution is coming back now that people have expressed that they wanted it.

Can't ****ing wait.

Hypehypehypehype.

 

[Lore]

So Rev is coming back? Good! Now I can not worry about having to read this thread and see OS make great points (in a slighty OHO I'M GOD way) then get ignored and called a troll by MMM (who completely misreads and throws out any constructive criticism), which makes OS make his posts more *** hole-ish, which makes him seem like the bad guy.


Still, I'm glad that Rev is coming back.